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How do you think the draws should be tracked?

As one game [ 9 ]  [52.94%]
As 2 different games [ 8 ]  [47.06%]
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takeitez's avatar - japheth
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From the postings in the past some say track together, some say track as separate games. Someone said it is like putting a long row of fish bowls with 10 balls in each then waking down the line and drawing 1 ball from each therefore track as the same game. Some say the ball sets and machines are different mid and evening therefore track as separate games.

  If you would, please state your choice and the reason why. 

Thank you

Good Luck

ez

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    takeitez's avatar - japheth
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    Posted: May 26, 2005, 11:14 am - IP Logged

    try it again

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      Every state that uses ball machines might do there drawings with the same balls and machines and then againg they might rotate the equipment. Once in a while they might break out the newest equipment. Unless you or a friend works there you don't have a clue as to what procedures are in place.

      Some places have the witness pick the balls sets and the machines from a group of machines. Some places might have the acting drawing official pick the balls and machines.

      As far a tracking games is concerned track them seperate and together and see which game come closer to your pcks. So were left with these choices to decide which drawing to track. If you use a system and track only midday draws and that system is making you money then track midday draws. If evening then track evening. If both then track both draws.

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        Posted: May 26, 2005, 11:47 am - IP Logged

        I use both draws.. Seems that picking which comes next is easier when going

        mid to eve

        eve to mid

        mid to eve

         

        I even broke Tn numbers down to look as if each is a separate draw... Picking has been easier..

         

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          I almost won a $.50 box yesterday in TN.  I'm going to play GA and TN tonight. 

          How are you going to win if you don't play?

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            Takeitez, good poll question and it's something that I have grappled with for years and is always a good subject for discussion.

            As four4me suggested, it would be very helpful to know how your state picks its machines and ballsets for each drawing.  For example, in IL the machines and ball sets are picked in a separate random drawing from fifteen machines and ball sets before each drawing.

            In this situation one might consider combining the draws.  However there do seem to be anomalies between the results of the two draws.

            In my experience in trying both approaches, these anomalies are more obvious when one is using longer draw histories so separating draws might be more helpful. 

            I am currently using a very short history (last 4 draws) and have found more success combining both draws so I voted for combining.

            (Edit:  in a state that uses machines for one draw and computer generated "random numbers" for the other draw, I would definitely keep the draws separate...in fact I wouldn't even play or track the RNG drawing as a matter of principle.)

            Thanks for the post.

            Posted 4/6:  IL Pick 3 midday and evening until they hit:  555, 347 (str8).


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              I use both draws.. Seems that picking which comes next is easier when going

              mid to eve

              eve to mid

              mid to eve

               

              I even broke Tn numbers down to look as if each is a separate draw... Picking has been easier..

               



              Have written the TN Lottery to find out whether TN Cash 3 and TN Cash 4 draws come from the same group of ballsets but have no answer yet after about 3 weeks.  Not holding my breath for an answer. 

              Since you guys have our old lottery director I can almost guarantee that she is doing the same thing she did here by pulling both draws from the same group of ballsets, so do take both games into consideration when running down the numbers. 

              Good luck to everyone!

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                I have noticed in GA that it varies every few days. Sometimes the winning number will come from the previous day (midday to midday/eve to eve) and then sometimes, they hit one after the other (midday to evening). I track the numbers by the game and as a combined total, hoping to catch it when I see the number occuring several places.

                Sir Metro

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                  Posted: May 26, 2005, 12:44 pm - IP Logged

                  Always separately for me.

                  An extreme example of why they should be separate is Pennsylvania:  midday draws are with a computer RNG, and evening are traditional ball machines.

                   

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                    Posted: May 26, 2005, 12:47 pm - IP Logged

                    seperate

                    love to nibble those micey feet.

                     

                                                 

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                      Konane, I can understand your frustration at lack of response on this issue.  State lotteries should make their game rules and procedures completely open to the public.

                      I'm fortunate to know a stagehand who helped with the IL drawings so I have the inside scoop.  I seriously doubt that they would have provided me this info had I asked them.

                      Posted 4/6:  IL Pick 3 midday and evening until they hit:  555, 347 (str8).


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                        Posted: May 26, 2005, 1:05 pm - IP Logged

                        Separate.

                        I would think if you track them together you would have to play both midday and evening all the time to get the number you are after. Since I track separate, I can play the midday game only or the evening game only without feeling like I am going to miss something by not playing the other drawing. For me it is cheaper and easier.

                        Many winners to you.

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                          Takeitez, good poll question and it's something that I have grappled with for years and is always a good subject for discussion.

                          As four4me suggested, it would be very helpful to know how your state picks its machines and ballsets for each drawing.  For example, in IL the machines and ball sets are picked in a separate random drawing from fifteen machines and ball sets before each drawing.

                          In this situation one might consider combining the draws.  However there do seem to be anomalies between the results of the two draws.

                          In my experience in trying both approaches, these anomalies are more obvious when one is using longer draw histories so separating draws might be more helpful. 

                          I am currently using a very short history (last 4 draws) and have found more success combining both draws so I voted for combining.

                          (Edit:  in a state that uses machines for one draw and computer generated "random numbers" for the other draw, I would definitely keep the draws separate...in fact I wouldn't even play or track the RNG drawing as a matter of principle.)

                          Thanks for the post.





                          Not sure which lottery is older FL or IL, but FL posts ballset and machine information on their site for anyone to search.

                          My qualm is with lotteries which were set up during the computer era that do not have that information readily available, including GA which came about under Rebecca Paul's direction, also TN which did the same.

                          IMHO when an lottery entity is dealing with public money it should follow the example of FL and TX which post ballset information on their sites. 

                          Good luck to everyone!

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                            This post started about ball drawings and then someone threw computer draws into it. In computer draws there is no set way of determing which game to track.  If the computer is generating the numbers from the same chipset then i would track them both. If like Todd said in PA then seperate. The problem tracking the computers is the same almost with ball drawing in that unless you have an insider that could inform you before hand each drawing wether there using the same pc or a different pc. Or the same machines or a different machine the same balls or a different balls. One way to tell from draw to draw is like Rick said using the last 4 draws numbers and picking selections from those produce the better results. Going back 5 10 20 draws is like trying to pick good apples out of a dump truck full of bad apples since there is no way of knowing wether the are using different equipment every day.

                            i look at it like this moreover they use the same equipment when no one is there telling them to use different machines. Or if they got hit hard for a lot of money in the previous draws they might switch equipment.

                            If this is confusing you take a look at states that use balls last 5 draws seperate then together.

                            Are they drawing the same group of numbers or not. If they are all different groups ( not the same sets pairs etc) then they are probably using different balls.

                            Computer states do the same thing if they are drawing the same like numbers then they are probably using the same PC chipset. If not then they are probably using different equipment.

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                              Posted: May 26, 2005, 3:12 pm - IP Logged

                              seperate and combined

                                 

                                  gilla