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I await the day when a lottery jackpot winner says that they got the winning numbers while astro-plaining on some spiritual level. So far no one has come forward and said anything to the contrary. While all things are possible it still boils down to picking the winning number and having won the game. If i thought i could win a jackpot by standing on my head juggling tennis balls and doing loop de loopes thru hulla hoops i'd be at it right now.  

i know for sure every manner of contrivance is being tried to win this game, and people feel some connection to the balls as though they are having a relationship with them. i assure you the balls cannot and don't give one ioda of thought to this.

  i have.    i have made my pre-jackpot claim at LP ,  and i would much rather do it that way (pre-jackpot) so that people will have no excuses after i did as to where it came from.  which will definetively demonstrate why i am even in here (besides pre-jack preparation).  i am in here to be used of God to  prove that he is personal,  with him using means that you can relate to.  to show you that a personal relationship with him is more than attainable by you, as i am nothing special (he doesn't like me "more" than he likes you).  it sure isn't about winning a jackpot.  it IS  all about him demonstrating that he is real by being the one who has accurately predicted a jackpot win before it happened. 

some people who have seen me in action at LP know that i am not afraid to stand up for what i believe.  nor am i  afraid of the subsequent fallout of a post of this nature.  i realize that i have to stick my neck out in order for it to come what it is supposed to be.  that of pre-jackpot proof.  and the underlining fact of where it will come from.  i relaize that to most people (especially in the mystical forum), that this sounds pretty wacked.  thats OK as that is part of doing business.  obviously my words/beliefs mean squat right now, but i am going to ask you this (especially four4me since he stated that no one has come forth) ......what will you do IF  i am right?  the answer to that belongs to you and God (should it happen).  i don't pretend to think that this stuff is about me because it is not.  it is God using me to speak to you,  and the fallout of all of this is his business,  not mine.

i firmly  believe that the lottery is pre-determined, and since i do i subsequently realize that i don't have to beat myself against a wall (whether that i pleasureable to some or not) in order to figure it out.  if i am "meant to",   all i have to do is buy (1) ticket and when Gods timing is right (for his purposes, not mine), then it will happen.  takes all the pressure off of me to try and "make" it happen.

now for me,  i know that i am "meant to".  i have known it and have been prepared for it for 9 +/-  years.  it is NOT out of some "intuition" or emotional need.  it is NOT derived from positive thinking or postive affirmations of belief.  i DO NOT believe that someday if i pray hard enough, believe hard enough and live a good enough life that the day will come that God decides then ....it's the right time.  the only reason  that i KNOW that i will,  is because God has told me via the personal realtionship that i have with him.  it is his plan for my life .......before i was ever born.  and although most people will wrongly make a big deal of this,  i know i won't and neither will God.  and the reason that it isn't a big deal is because it is NOT THE ANSWER TO LIFE.  it is ONLY  a  "tool"  that he will use thru my life.  no different than any of the other "tools"  that God has used thru my life thus far.  my life is well chronicled in here.  it includes many a story of the struggles in my life and because i recognize how God works,  those "struggles" are far more valuable as a tool of God,  than any amount of jack i could ever win.  you would completely miss the point of all of this if you think that what will happen thru my life is incredible.  it isn't.  it's just a different "tool" (and i am nobody special).

below is a thread i started a long time ago when i first came out with my claim.  you can read it for yourself.  one thing is for sure,  i was willing to stick my neck put and look like a complete idiot beforehand.  with all of the things that i have ever said about God in here,  if it never came to pass then i would be exactly as some people think that i am now.  but if i am right,  i hope for your sakes that you would be intelligent about it and adjust.  it will be one of those opportunities in life where you will get to actually see God prove himself.

here is the thread excerpt below.  (i didn't know how to show it in the previous "link" form).

http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/74022?q=visiondude

 vd

            "i am .........."meant to"       

P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

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    I guess I would be one of the ones who believes that the numbers are predetermined by God. I think that when you have a hunch or a feeling (and this has happened to me on a number of occasions), I think that God is possibly giving us a glimpse of himself. I'm not really sure about it and am trying to formulate my own ideas about it. I am studying the Bible now to try and get a better grasp on how things like this work. It is hard because I am not really sure where I should be going to find what I am looking for but I am asking God for guidance in this as in all things. -Bonnie

      and you would be right. 

    but what really matters is what part about this as it pertains to you?  what is Gods "pre-determined" plan for you?  does it include the lottery?  obviously i cannot answer that for you because God does not come to me and tell me what he is going to do in another persons life.  the only way i could affirm/reject something as to whether it be of God or not, is if it is a violation of his word (as per yours/mine/others Christian beliefs).

    but one thing i do know that is for certain,  the answers to this kind of stuff is simple.  it is not nearly as difficult as some make it out to be.

    IF  you  trust God (and you are willing to do things his way),  the answers to all your questions will come.  the trick is to trust him, and then play the game of life by his rules.  when you don't is when things get "fuzzy".  and no one  can expect an answer if or when a person acts in a wreckless manner and attempt things because of desperation (not that you are.  but just a guideline from which to measure your decision making).

    according to your beliefs,  you believe that God is soveriegn over your life.  that means not only that he is not "disconnected",  but that he is fully engaged in your life.  armed with that knowledge, is also the wisdom to know that he holds all the answers  ......then all you have to do is adjust to them as he gives you the wisdom to do so.  that is born out of an everyday relationship whereby you trust him for everything.    it is really that simple.  there is nothing complicated about it.  frustration may set in because we  may get impatient waiting for the answer, or we may not like the answer. 

    our peace lies in doing things his way,  and in his time,  and being content with that. 

    i could give you a ton of scripture supporting the fact that God is sovereign over our life, and that he has a personal plan for you.  but i think you probably already know that.  now all you really need to do is to relax and if you are "meant to" ....great.  if not,  then remember that he holds the answers to your life .......and the lottery doesn't.

    VISION (PEOPLEWITHVISIONMAY"SQUINT'SOMETIMESBUTITALLCOMESBACKINTOFOCUS)

                "i am .........."meant to"       

    P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

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      I live in Baltimore city and there are more than a fare share of space travelers here. on many occasion i have been in tavernacklels (not tabernacles) and watched these people scream at the tv for their numbers to come up like many people do when arm chair coaching a ball game. They swear up and down that they were somehow jipped out of a win because they knew there number was going to win because the dreamt it or TM it or conjured it up on the ougi board or were astroplaining when the winning number came to them. Or they saw it twenty three times on some vehicle or there mother said it was going to be their day. The fact of the matter is if you pick and play the right numbers then you will win.  
      I'm not saying people can't have a feeling about a number the other day i had a feeling about a number in fact on many days i have a feeling about certain numbers. Well this other day i had a feeling 000 was going to hit i also had a feeling 8514 was going to hit but when i went to the tavernackle i played 000 but thought what the heck this other number i like i'll play instead. Well 000 hit and so did 8514 straight the way i would have played it. I kissed away 7600 bucks down the drain because i thought more strongly about the other number hitting. So i beat myself up about not playing the darn number and still can't figure out why i talked myself into believing that the other number was the one to play. I would have won something like 75 grand if the other number would have won.
      you and i have talked about projecting numbers and viewing and i believe it's possible but i also believe that people who have no connection to winning the game stand a better chance of projecting the winning numbers because they don't care one way or the other about numbers and aren't dissuaded by the numbers having had some relationship to them because they play numbers all the time.
      People who play around with numbers are clouded by them if they spend a lot of time with them and it can get confusing trying to draw projections from them. so i think a person who doesn't give a hoot one way or the other about winning may be better able to discern what numbers might win because they don't have any connection to them. And won't be biased one way or another because some certain numbers hit last week last month, last year.

      Four4me:

      You make some good points and I'd be hard-pressed to refute them by anything I've personally observed.  I just am not convinced all the returns are in.  You and I have no way of knowing what others do, have done, or will manage to do in the future. 

      Since I've been doing lottery stuff I've come across some interesting tales that can't be confirmed, but they can't be refuted.  Two of them involve people studying numbers for a long period of time.

      One story was told to a friend of mine in Illinois by a cop while he was waiting in line to buy lottery tickets.... claimed a friend of his from NY, another cop, studied the numbers for six years before he retired, went to FL and played for two years before he won $56 million.  The cop might have been lying, or he might have been telling an apocraphal story he believed was true.  But the cop was definitely convinced the numbers could be studied, understood.

      There's talk of others doing the same thing, or similar things.

      The problem is that, while many, most of us believe we know the boundaries of human capabilities, think we know by scientific methodology, by observation, by common sense, how the universe works, how it's structured, it's been fooling us consistently for an awfully long time, has a way of doing it again and again, the smartest of us, the most fundamentally practical, the most mindlessly devout, the most metaphysically free. 

      Science publications announced at the beginning of the 20th Century that they'd pretty well nailed down everything there was do know about most branches of science, including physics, and most of the scientific community believed it was true.  That all they had remaining to do to understand the universe was to fill in a few gaps here and there, work out a few unexplained details.

      Albert Einstein found the early evidence pointing to the need for a Quantum theory so absurd and disgusting (because it ran contrary to his gut-level belief in a firmly structured universe) he created a whole set of new theories to explain the contemporary phenomena that pointed to Quantum.

      In his later years Einstein shook his head in retrospective humility when he spoke of this.  He said it was the worst mistake he ever made in his life.

      I don't believe all the returns are in on what's going on with the numbers.  I don't have any reason to believe they are.  Those balls and RNG machines are doing things that defy understanding in the ways that most of us understand such things, whether it's the statisticians, the physicists, the common sense folks, the metaphysicists.

      When a phenomenon exists at that level of human understanding it certainly might be because it can't be understood, or can be understood, but not predicted.  Weather comes to mind as an example, rain, tornadoes, hurricanes, even earthquakes and Tsunamis. 

       But human history is jam packed with people who didn't understand radio waves, microwaves, lightning,  clouds, microorganisms.  Today we're mostly convinced we understand and can predict most of those.  I believe that's because they've had a lot of scrutiny, a lot of focus by human minds who believed they should be able to understand them.

      The same isn't true of the numbers.  Scientists and statisticians believe they aren't worth a second look, that their randomness is too fundamentally obvious to justify the effort.  Common sense folks mostly agree with them.  Metaphysical folks plug them into this or that metaphysical pigeonhole, usually one that doesn't tell them much about number behavior, and begin making pronouncements about what they're going to do, but pronouncements that are rarely accurate.  Doctrinally religious people assign them to the work of God and leave it there.

      I don't make pronouncements about what's going to happen, not with the numbers, not with what can or cannot be understood, not with what other people should do with their lives.  Until I've demonstrated to myself that I can't understand number behavior, I'm going to go on looking, trying. 

      I'll allow myself to wish some others were also doing that, for the sake of exchanging ideas and observations, but that probably won't happen.  Those who are doing it are mostly keeping their observations to themselves, for reasons of their own.

      But I understand your points, and they are good, strong ones.

      Jack

       

       

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        I guess I would be one of the ones who believes that the numbers are predetermined by God. I think that when you have a hunch or a feeling (and this has happened to me on a number of occasions), I think that God is possibly giving us a glimpse of himself. I'm not really sure about it and am trying to formulate my own ideas about it. I am studying the Bible now to try and get a better grasp on how things like this work. It is hard because I am not really sure where I should be going to find what I am looking for but I am asking God for guidance in this as in all things. -Bonnie

          and you would be right. 

        but what really matters is what part about this as it pertains to you?  what is Gods "pre-determined" plan for you?  does it include the lottery?  obviously i cannot answer that for you because God does not come to me and tell me what he is going to do in another persons life.  the only way i could affirm/reject something as to whether it be of God or not, is if it is a violation of his word (as per yours/mine/others Christian beliefs).

        but one thing i do know that is for certain,  the answers to this kind of stuff is simple.  it is not nearly as difficult as some make it out to be.

        IF  you  trust God (and you are willing to do things his way),  the answers to all your questions will come.  the trick is to trust him, and then play the game of life by his rules.  when you don't is when things get "fuzzy".  and no one  can expect an answer if or when a person acts in a wreckless manner and attempt things because of desperation (not that you are.  but just a guideline from which to measure your decision making).

        according to your beliefs,  you believe that God is soveriegn over your life.  that means not only that he is not "disconnected",  but that he is fully engaged in your life.  armed with that knowledge, is also the wisdom to know that he holds all the answers  ......then all you have to do is adjust to them as he gives you the wisdom to do so.  that is born out of an everyday relationship whereby you trust him for everything.    it is really that simple.  there is nothing complicated about it.  frustration may set in because we  may get impatient waiting for the answer, or we may not like the answer. 

        our peace lies in doing things his way,  and in his time,  and being content with that. 

        i could give you a ton of scripture supporting the fact that God is sovereign over our life, and that he has a personal plan for you.  but i think you probably already know that.  now all you really need to do is to relax and if you are "meant to" ....great.  if not,  then remember that he holds the answers to your life .......and the lottery doesn't.

        VISION (PEOPLEWITHVISIONMAY"SQUINT'SOMETIMESBUTITALLCOMESBACKINTOFOCUS)

        Visiondude:

        We humans have stuffed our heads chock-full of things we know.  A lot of them aren't true.  A few sometimes are.

        I'm happy whenever I see a person who has faith in something, as opposed to faith in nothing.  Sometimes I allow myself to wish the faith could go a confident step further and allow the person who has it not to feel the need to demand others share that particular brand of faith.

        Jack

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          visiondude if your one quik pick wins good for you but i think this thread is about people getting the numbers to play from some other means.

          when i said: I await the day when a lottery jackpot winner says that they got the winning numbers while astro-plaining on some spiritual level. This wasn't in reference to the allmighty.

          Visiondude god doesn't want people to play the lottery he wants people to pray for his salvation and for the saved to gather as many people as they can to make disciples out of them so they can gather more people to save and convert them to disciples and for them to get busy with gods work.

          On another note more people probably curse god because they didn't win the lottery than any other phrase they might say. I believe that if god wanted people to be millionairs he would make them millionairs whitout having to play the lottery. All the means to become millionairs are within most peoples reach if they follow a plan to become one. 
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            Yea and right here in maryland are the roots of biofeedbacks where they taught children to run electronic games with the electrical impluses of their brain.

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              I live in Baltimore city and there are more than a fare share of space travelers here. on many occasion i have been in tavernacklels (not tabernacles) and watched these people scream at the tv for their numbers to come up like many people do when arm chair coaching a ball game. They swear up and down that they were somehow jipped out of a win because they knew there number was going to win because the dreamt it or TM it or conjured it up on the ougi board or were astroplaining when the winning number came to them. Or they saw it twenty three times on some vehicle or there mother said it was going to be their day. The fact of the matter is if you pick and play the right numbers then you will win.  
              I'm not saying people can't have a feeling about a number the other day i had a feeling about a number in fact on many days i have a feeling about certain numbers. Well this other day i had a feeling 000 was going to hit i also had a feeling 8514 was going to hit but when i went to the tavernackle i played 000 but thought what the heck this other number i like i'll play instead. Well 000 hit and so did 8514 straight the way i would have played it. I kissed away 7600 bucks down the drain because i thought more strongly about the other number hitting. So i beat myself up about not playing the darn number and still can't figure out why i talked myself into believing that the other number was the one to play. I would have won something like 75 grand if the other number would have won.
              you and i have talked about projecting numbers and viewing and i believe it's possible but i also believe that people who have no connection to winning the game stand a better chance of projecting the winning numbers because they don't care one way or the other about numbers and aren't dissuaded by the numbers having had some relationship to them because they play numbers all the time.
              People who play around with numbers are clouded by them if they spend a lot of time with them and it can get confusing trying to draw projections from them. so i think a person who doesn't give a hoot one way or the other about winning may be better able to discern what numbers might win because they don't have any connection to them. And won't be biased one way or another because some certain numbers hit last week last month, last year.
              People who play around with numbers are clouded by them if they spend a lot of time with them and it can get confusing trying to draw projections from them. ________________________________________________________________
              on this point here I think it is important. I have studied and tracked numbers day after day for the past few years. What I end up with as the final results is the knowledge of numbers and how they fall in patterns. The bad side is that I have continued the day to day study to figure them out more but I do not think there is more to learn as I have looked at them about every way possible. What I have ended up with all the tracking of numbers in software and this and that is the confusion of what to pick in the end from all that info.
              When I first came on this forum and Maybells the only system I had was my easy pick system. I thought I done quite well with it.
              I have posted in my blog where I have tired of the 3 game. Since I have posted that I have found where my subconcious mind is starting to pick up on what may hit next. I posted one in my blog about the 486 that hit yesterday. I was looking at my list for doubles to play the 11 double was not in there but that double came to my mind to play which I did not play. Hit todays mid. 110.
              What I intend to do now is just enter my data in my notepad and software but not to keep looking for the magic number in there. Just do a visual glance of the info and let my mind do the picking.I think there is a limit on how far to keep looking to find the magic system.

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                "What I intend to do now is just enter my data in my notepad and software but not to keep looking for the magic number in there. Just do a visual glance of the info and let my mind do the picking.I think there is a limit on how far to keep looking to find the magic system."

                 

                You're definitely onto something there  ... and let it be alright if the correct numbers come to mind, equally alright if they do not because by not forcing them you're staying more to having the right ones come.  Any intuitiveness a person may have is cyclical, sometimes things come easily other times not easy at all. 
                The very best of luck to you!!  Blue Angel

                Good luck to everyone!

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                  Vision,

                  You and I agree on a few things, one of which is the idea that the numbers are pre-determined.  We differ however on another issue. I feel that I am meant to but that I need to do what I can by studying the numbers, looking for patterns and various other "methods" to determine what the winning combination might be.  I posted something in my blog a while back along those very lines. I gave the example of a person whose calling was to be a doctor. Now that person will still have to spend alot of hard work and sweat equity to obtain that goal. I mean it may be in God's plan for him to be a doctor but that does not absolve him of his responsibility to study hard and put in alot of work for that goal.

                  My problem is that I am impatient. I try not to be but when life issues become overwhelming at times, it becomes very hard not to get too emotional. Often when this happens I think, "Gosh, if I could only win the lottery, I could take care of all this stuff." I know in the back of my mind that the lottery is not the solution to all of my problems. I also know what I want to do if I don't win the lottery. I will continue on that path until "my ship comes in."

                  I will say this, however, not only do I believe that I am meant to. But I also believe from several signs which I have recieved that it will be in the amount of $23 million. Now tell me just how crazy I am. -Bonnie

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                    Vision,

                    You and I agree on a few things, one of which is the idea that the numbers are pre-determined. We differ however on another issue. I feel that I am meant to but that I need to do what I can by studying the numbers, looking for patterns and various other "methods" to determine what the winning combination might be. I posted something in my blog a while back along those very lines. I gave the example of a person whose calling was to be a doctor. Now that person will still have to spend alot of hard work and sweat equity to obtain that goal. I mean it may be in God's plan for him to be a doctor but that does not absolve him of his responsibility to study hard and put in alot of work for that goal.

                    My problem is that I am impatient. I try not to be but when life issues become overwhelming at times, it becomes very hard not to get too emotional. Often when this happens I think, "Gosh, if I could only win the lottery, I could take care of all this stuff." I know in the back of my mind that the lottery is not the solution to all of my problems. I also know what I want to do if I don't win the lottery. I will continue on that path until "my ship comes in."

                    I will say this, however, not only do I believe that I am meant to. But I also believe from several signs which I have recieved that it will be in the amount of $23 million. Now tell me just how crazy I am. -Bonnie

                    Bonnie-

                    I can SO relate to what you said. I fear however, that my $72 million signs make you a bit more than three times saner than I.

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                      Looking forward to reading more of your posts/threads, sirius.

                      Jack