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7 number wheels with high guarantee?

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Posted: August 9, 2005, 3:51 pm - IP Logged

Hi, I'm trying to find a site that has wheels for pick 7 numbers with a 4, 5 and 6 from 7 guarantee. All the 7 number wheels I have found have guarantees that are too low (3 of 3) or good wheels that only cater to pick 6 (I have Ilya Bluskov's book). Does anyone know where I can find good pick 7 wheels with higher guarantees (for up to 6 numbers) or how I can adapt pick 6 wheels to include a  seventh number that is evenly spread out in the wheel? Thanks. PS. I am in the UK and want to apply this to the 'Daily Play' game which is 7 from 27 numbers. Cheers

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    Posted: August 10, 2005, 10:27 am - IP Logged

    Hi there infinitysymbol,

    you can find a full list of pick 7 wheels in my website but I do not have them available for download. If you want to have a look, click on the homepage link below. As for expanding a pick 6 wheel to become a pick 7 it will produce several more tickets than really needed for 100% guarantee. However, if you want to try this approach, use covermaster but it doesn't really worth the trouble and effort.

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        I think the word guarantee is misused in wheeling. There  are no guarantees. There are no guarantees when it comes to playing the lotto.  Wheeling may be entertainment for you but only luck is going to win you a jackpot.

        I play to dream and dream of winning a major jackpot!

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          Posted: August 12, 2005, 9:38 am - IP Logged

          Rabbitfoot,

          There are guarantees in wheels, just not an the type of absolute, unconditional guarantee you're talking about.

          A wheel guarantee never says "if you play this wheel, I guarantee unconditionally that you'll win the jackpot."  That would be ridiculous, and that's not what the word "guarantee" describes when talking about wheels.

          A wheel guarantee is a compound statement that says "IF a certain number of lottery numbers drawn fall within your selected pool of numbers, then you are guaranteed to win at least a certain prize-match."

          There are an infinite number of variations of wheel guarantees, and the wheel guarantee in fact describes the type of wheel you're playing.

          I disagree with your statement that the word "guarantee" is misleading.  I think it is the best word possible, because it is, in fact, a guarantee.

          I would be interested to hear what other words could possibly be better to describe the wheel's guarantee.  "Truth statement"?  "Actual occurrence"?  "Thing that's definitely going to happen"?

          (A little flippant, but you see my point...)

           

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            Posted: August 12, 2005, 9:59 am - IP Logged

            I agree with Todd.  You have to read and understand the statement before passing judgement.  Many wheels do "guarantee" a win if you meet certain criteria.  For example, if a wheel states that a 4 of 6 win is guaranteed if all 6 winning numbers are among those you played in the wheel, then it will happen.  I have won many 3 of 6, 4 of 6 and three 5 of 6 prizes using wheels with guarantees.

             

            Thanks,

            John - LA

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              Posted: August 12, 2005, 10:21 pm - IP Logged

              Rabbitfoot,

              There are guarantees in wheels, just not an the type of absolute, unconditional guarantee you're talking about.

              A wheel guarantee never says "if you play this wheel, I guarantee unconditionally that you'll win the jackpot."  That would be ridiculous, and that's not what the word "guarantee" describes when talking about wheels.

              A wheel guarantee is a compound statement that says "IF a certain number of lottery numbers drawn fall within your selected pool of numbers, then you are guaranteed to win at least a certain prize-match."

              There are an infinite number of variations of wheel guarantees, and the wheel guarantee in fact describes the type of wheel you're playing.

              I disagree with your statement that the word "guarantee" is misleading.  I think it is the best word possible, because it is, in fact, a guarantee.

              I would be interested to hear what other words could possibly be better to describe the wheel's guarantee.  "Truth statement"?  "Actual occurrence"?  "Thing that's definitely going to happen"?

              (A little flippant, but you see my point...)

              Try the word "Chance".

              I play to dream and dream of winning a major jackpot!

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                Posted: August 13, 2005, 12:18 am - IP Logged

                rabbitfoot,

                a wheel is a conditional guarantee, not a chance. If you match the required condition of the wheel, then you are guaranteed what the wheel offers.

                What you could call chance is IF you match the condition.

                I can give you a wheel with no condition if you want. How about hitting the jackpot with a wheel without any requirement? Interested? Simply play all possible tickets of your game Smile. This is the only way to achieve this; a full/system wheel with all numbers!

                How about minimizing the cost whilst ensuring a win division? Choose a wheel based on the required condition and guarantee offered but this has nothing to do with chance.

                 cheers

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                  Rabbitfoot: A full wheel for Pick-6/49 would consist of all 13.9 million combinations in the game and would guarantee a jackpot win plus all the lower tier prizes every time it was played.  There is no chance involved, the guarantee is a mathematical certainty.  The only question is the physical difficulity of playing that many lines and the risk there might be multiple winners even of you waited for enough rollovers to guarantee a profit if you were the only jackpot winner.

                  The following wheel guarantees a 4# prize if all six of the winning numbers are among the 12 numbers we wheel. Just replace my pointer numbers with your own best picks.

                  01-02-03-04-05-06-07-08-09-10-11-12
                  __-__-__-__-__-__-__-__-__-__-__-__

                  01-02-03-04-05-06
                  01-02-03-07-08-09
                  01-02-03-10-11-12
                  04-05-06-07-08-09
                  04-05-06-10-11-12
                  07-08-09-10-11-12

                  If you don't think a win is 100% guaranteed try to find a way not to have 4 out of 6 of the 12 numbers on a line. 

                  To make this a Pick-7 wheel, add a 13th number (same) to each line, the 4if6 guarantee remains and if the 13th number is also drawn that's a 5# win.  BobP

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                    Rabbitfoot: A full wheel for Pick-6/49 would consist of all 13.9 million combinations in the game and would guarantee a jackpot win plus all the lower tier prizes every time it was played.  There is no chance involved, the guarantee is a mathematical certainty.  The only question is the physical difficulity of playing that many lines and the risk there might be multiple winners even of you waited for enough rollovers to guarantee a profit if you were the only jackpot winner.

                    The following wheel guarantees a 4# prize if all six of the winning numbers are among the 12 numbers we wheel. Just replace my pointer numbers with your own best picks.

                    01-02-03-04-05-06-07-08-09-10-11-12
                    __-__-__-__-__-__-__-__-__-__-__-__

                    01-02-03-04-05-06
                    01-02-03-07-08-09
                    01-02-03-10-11-12
                    04-05-06-07-08-09
                    04-05-06-10-11-12
                    07-08-09-10-11-12

                    If you don't think a win is 100% guaranteed try to find a way not to have 4 out of 6 of the 12 numbers on a line. 

                    To make this a Pick-7 wheel, add a 13th number (same) to each line, the 4if6 guarantee remains and if the 13th number is also drawn that's a 5# win.  BobP

                    I agree with you 100% on the first half of your post.  That is, the only way you can guarantee a win is to play every combination in the lotto game universe.  Any thing less, then one begins to guess what the winning numbers might be and as everyone is pointing out that guess is based on a great big ...if ! And, when one starts guessing, chance becomes a big factor as there is no guarantee that any of the 7 numbers in the wheel will hit in the lotto drawing.. 

                    I play to dream and dream of winning a major jackpot!

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                      Posted: August 14, 2005, 10:52 pm - IP Logged

                      You can avoid the problem of guessing which number to play by playing them all on as few as 7, 8 or 9 lines depending on game size. 

                      If you do the above, a 6/49 game automatically becomes a 6/36 game odds wise because no more then 6 lines can contain winning number only 6 numbers being drawn per drawing.  This method virtually pays for its own play if you take any care at all in how you construct the lines.  In games with any kind of a 2# win it's harder not to win a prize.

                      Or, you can play a wheel of all 49 numbers in 163 lines that 100% guarantees a 3# win with the chance you might do better depending on how the numbers fall.

                      Either way you don't have to guess which numbers to play on your wheel.  Here is a 100% 3if6in49#163combination wheel, check it against some of your draws where the winning numbers all fell among 49 and see if it doesn't play above the guarantee.  BobP

                       1  2  3 22 24 48
                       1  2  4  8 10 21
                       1  2 12 17 20 37
                       1  2 18 35 36 43
                       1  2 33 34 45 49
                       1  3  4 18 37 49
                       1  3  8 17 36 45
                       1  3 10 12 33 35
                       1  3 20 21 34 43
                       1  4 12 24 43 45
                       1  4 17 22 34 35
                       1  4 20 33 36 48
                       1  8 12 18 34 48
                       1  8 20 24 35 49
                       1  8 22 33 37 43
                       1 10 17 43 48 49
                       1 10 18 20 22 45
                       1 10 24 34 36 37
                       1 12 21 22 36 49
                       1 17 18 21 24 33
                       1 21 35 37 45 48
                       2  3  4 17 33 43
                       2  3  8 34 35 37
                       2  3 10 20 36 49
                       2  3 12 18 21 45
                       2  4 12 35 48 49
                       2  4 18 20 24 34
                       2  4 22 36 37 45
                       2  8 12 24 33 36
                       2  8 17 18 22 49
                       2  8 20 43 45 48
                       2 10 12 22 34 43
                       2 10 17 24 35 45
                       2 10 18 33 37 48
                       2 17 21 34 36 48
                       2 20 21 22 33 35
                       2 21 24 37 43 49
                       3  4  8 12 20 22
                       3  4 10 34 45 48
                       3  4 21 24 35 36
                       3  8 10 18 24 43
                       3  8 21 33 48 49
                       3 10 17 21 22 37
                       3 12 17 24 34 49
                       3 12 36 37 43 48
                       3 17 18 20 35 48
                       3 18 22 33 34 36
                       3 20 24 33 37 45
                       3 22 35 43 45 49
                       4  8 17 24 37 48
                       4  8 18 33 35 45
                       4  8 34 36 43 49
                       4 10 12 17 18 36
                       4 10 20 35 37 43
                       4 10 22 24 33 49
                       4 12 21 33 34 37
                       4 17 20 21 45 49
                       4 18 21 22 43 48
                       5  6  7 13 19 38
                       5  6  9 38 40 46
                       5  6 11 15 23 44
                       5  6 16 25 27 32
                       5  6 30 38 39 41
                       5  7  9 16 39 42
                       5  7 19 30 40 44
                       5  9 15 19 41 46
                       5 11 13 30 39 46
                       5 11 14 25 28 29
                       5 11 23 26 32 47
                       5 13 16 40 41 42
                       5 14 15 29 31 32
                       5 14 27 29 44 47
                       5 15 23 26 27 28
                       5 16 19 30 42 46
                       5 16 23 29 31 42
                       5 16 26 28 31 47
                       5 23 25 26 31 44
                       6  7 14 23 30 40
                       6  7 26 29 41 46
                       6  9 13 23 26 30
                       6  9 14 19 23 41
                       6 11 16 29 32 47
                       6 11 25 26 28 42
                       6 13 14 23 39 46
                       6 14 16 26 38 42
                       6 14 19 29 39 40
                       6 15 16 27 28 29
                       6 15 26 31 32 42
                       6 16 25 29 31 44
                       6 23 28 29 31 47
                       6 26 27 42 44 47
                       7  9 11 27 31 39
                       7  9 15 16 30 40
                       7  9 15 25 39 47
                       7  9 28 32 39 44
                       7 11 13 15 19 44
                       7 11 30 40 41 42
                       7 13 14 16 19 26
                       7 13 16 39 44 46
                       7 13 19 23 29 42
                       7 14 23 38 41 46
                       7 25 27 32 41 46
                       7 25 28 31 41 46
                       7 26 29 30 38 40
                       7 27 28 41 46 47
                       7 31 32 41 46 47
                       8 10 12 37 45 49
                       8 10 17 20 33 34
                       8 10 22 35 36 48
                       8 12 17 21 35 43
                       8 18 20 21 36 37
                       8 21 22 24 34 45
                       9 11 15 40 44 46
                       9 11 16 19 39 41
                       9 13 14 29 30 38
                       9 13 19 41 42 44
                       9 13 25 27 30 32
                       9 13 28 30 31 47
                       9 14 16 26 40 46
                       9 19 26 29 38 41
                       9 23 29 40 42 46
                      10 12 20 21 24 48
                      10 18 21 34 35 49
                      10 21 33 36 43 45
                      11 13 27 31 40 41
                      11 14 27 31 38 47
                      11 14 32 38 42 47
                      11 15 16 26 29 44
                      11 15 25 28 31 44
                      11 15 30 39 41 44
                      11 16 23 25 28 38
                      11 19 27 30 31 46
                      11 27 28 32 42 44
                      12 17 22 33 45 48
                      12 18 20 33 43 49
                      12 18 22 24 35 37
                      12 20 34 35 36 45
                      13 15 25 40 41 47
                      13 15 39 40 42 46
                      13 26 29 38 39 46
                      13 28 32 40 41 44
                      14 15 25 38 42 47
                      14 15 27 28 38 42
                      14 16 26 30 39 41
                      14 25 31 38 42 44
                      14 28 32 38 44 47
                      15 16 23 31 32 38
                      15 19 25 30 46 47
                      16 23 27 38 44 47
                      17 18 34 37 43 45
                      17 20 22 24 36 43
                      17 33 35 36 37 49
                      18 24 36 45 48 49
                      19 23 26 38 39 40
                      19 25 27 28 39 40
                      19 25 31 32 39 40
                      19 27 32 39 40 47
                      19 28 30 32 44 46
                      19 28 31 39 40 47
                      20 22 34 37 48 49
                      23 25 26 27 29 32
                      23 29 30 39 41 42
                      24 33 34 35 43 48
                      end 163 lines cr.

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                        Hey BobP,

                        QUOTE: "Or, you can play a wheel of all 49 numbers in 163 lines that 100% guarantees a 3# win with the chance you might do better depending on how the numbers fall."

                        I believe a 3# win in the Mega Million pays $7.00.  Why would I want to spend $163.00 to win $7.00?  Also, I see that you use the word chance on how the numbers might fall.  Any way, I'm not interested in the $2 or $7 wins, I want to WIN IT ALL!  To guarantee that, I would have to play every combination in the universe for the Mega Million Game.  If I had that kind of money, it be pointless to be playing the lotto to start with.

                        I play to dream and dream of winning a major jackpot!

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                          The 163 numbers wheel is for a 649 game.  In the Ohio649 game, a match 3 pays $1 and a match 4 pays $100, so even if you get lucky you lose money.  In the MegaMillions to guarantee a $2 win you can play 46 lines with all the mega balls.  The lottery payouts are such that no wheel can guarantee to pay for itself.

                          So far all the winning numbers in the MegaMillions game had sums of 50-225, gaps of 1-43 and ranges of 14-55. If you played all the combinations within those parameters minus the one that have already matched 5,  you would probably win the jackpot by only covering 80% of the possible combinations.

                           * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                             
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                            Posted: August 15, 2005, 12:51 pm - IP Logged

                            BobP,

                            I checked your wheel with the 527 drawings of the OhioSuperLottoPlus a 649 game and these were the results.

                            match 6 = 0
                            match 5+0 = 1
                            match 4+1 = 2
                            match 4+0 = 72
                            match 3+1 = 113
                            match 3+0 = 1402
                            Cost to play 527 times = $85,901.00
                            Winnings = $11,667.00

                            RJOh 

                             * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                               
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                              The 163 numbers wheel is for a 649 game.  In the Ohio649 game, a match 3 pays $1 and a match 4 pays $100, so even if you get lucky you lose money.  In the MegaMillions to guarantee a $2 win you can play 46 lines with all the mega balls.  The lottery payouts are such that no wheel can guarantee to pay for itself.

                              So far all the winning numbers in the MegaMillions game had sums of 50-225, gaps of 1-43 and ranges of 14-55. If you played all the combinations within those parameters minus the one that have already matched 5,  you would probably win the jackpot by only covering 80% of the possible combinations.

                              Thank you RJOH !!!  I knew there had to be someone else you understood where i was coming from.

                              I play to dream and dream of winning a major jackpot!