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All I know is, when we were taught to say "Thank You" and "You Are Welcome", no one was shooting the children playing on the sidewalk. There was a time, when every one tried to be respectful and speak the best they could. I see nothing "cute" or acceptable about striving to reach the lowest level of ethics or human standards - or emulating that attitude.
I tend to agree with your sentiments...... at least something inside me wants to agree. But it would be inaccurate to suggest there weren't some fairly bad kids around half a century ago, quarter century ago. I was one of them.
We generally looked to be exactly what we were. We found the lowest common denominator because we WERE the lowest common denominator.
The difference, I'd suppose without examining it too closely, is that while half a century ago a kid who appeared to be a bad'un actually was what he appeared to be, nowadays even the good kids try to take on that appearance.
Probably makes it difficult for parents, cops, juvenile authorities, anyone who needs to separate the sheep from the goats.
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Every generation had/has there slang words. It has now progressed to yo-bonics. get over yourself either get with it or stay an old foggy doggy!
I went to work one day and the boss asked how the job and i was coming along. ... and i said every thing is slamming am jamming ... because i am the slam jam man. You'd have thought that the world had come to an end this guy lit me up like a Christmas tree for not speaking in a proper manner like i should have replied this job is fine and everything is great! But being the great sports fanatic he was which I ain't. I thought I would reply in a manner that would please him and get the stone faced AH to crack a smile. It didn't work and he never got along with me since then.
Sports announcers and Tv personalities use this terminology every day slang words to describe player actions and such it is a way to keep things alive and kicking. My sister used pig Latin back in the late 50's and early 60's. Franki Avalon came along and everything was cool daddy. What's the big deal with kids using whatever language that makes them happy.
And i don't want to hear because it's not proper english who cares.
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Every generation had/has there slang words. It has now progressed to yo-bonics. get over yourself either get with it or stay an old foggy doggy!
I went to work one day and the boss asked how the job and i was coming along. ... and i said every thing is slamming am jamming ... because i am the slam jam man. You'd have thought that the world had come to an end this guy lit me up like a Christmas tree for not speaking in a proper manner like i should have replied this job is fine and everything is great! But being the great sports fanatic he was which I ain't. I thought I would reply in a manner that would please him and get the stone faced AH to crack a smile. It didn't work and he never got along with me since then.
Sports announcers and Tv personalities use this terminology every day slang words to describe player actions and such it is a way to keep things alive and kicking. My sister used pig Latin back in the late 50's and early 60's. Franki Avalon came along and everything was cool daddy. What's the big deal with kids using whatever language that makes them happy.
And i don't want to hear because it's not proper english who cares.
I tinhk it's vrey ipmrotant to konw how to sepll and spaeck engsilh crorcetly..........................What if you couldn't read english and walked onto an american bathroom, and started to brush your teeth with a tube of Preperation H?
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Every generation had/has there slang words. It has now progressed to yo-bonics. get over yourself either get with it or stay an old foggy doggy!
I went to work one day and the boss asked how the job and i was coming along. ... and i said every thing is slamming am jamming ... because i am the slam jam man. You'd have thought that the world had come to an end this guy lit me up like a Christmas tree for not speaking in a proper manner like i should have replied this job is fine and everything is great! But being the great sports fanatic he was which I ain't. I thought I would reply in a manner that would please him and get the stone faced AH to crack a smile. It didn't work and he never got along with me since then.
Sports announcers and Tv personalities use this terminology every day slang words to describe player actions and such it is a way to keep things alive and kicking. My sister used pig Latin back in the late 50's and early 60's. Franki Avalon came along and everything was cool daddy. What's the big deal with kids using whatever language that makes them happy.
And i don't want to hear because it's not proper english who cares.
I tinhk it's vrey ipmrotant to konw how to sepll and spaeck engsilh crorcetly..........................What if you couldn't read english and walked onto an american bathroom, and started to brush your teeth with a tube of Preperation H?
Your gums would shrink.
Pacattack i know your just trying to be funny. but if you know anything about Americans or foreigners for that matter English is the most spoken language in the world. taught in just about every country in the world. If you just stepped off the boat and didn't know how to read/speak English and walked into a bathroom and used preparation x with out knowing what was in the tube because you couldn't read, write, speak English then you need to have more than your gums shrunk.
Most but not every kid in this country is taught the english language now wether they wish to speak it or spell it correctly is entirely up to them. Amongst themselves if the choose to speak gibberish that's fine. However if they are communicating in some professional atmosphere then i think they should speak and act accordingly. However in most cases that isn't going to happen.
The english language has changed dramatically in the last 500 years and 100 years from now it will also be changed. Proper or otherwise nobody's going to stop they way every generation makes up new languages/slang out of the spoken english words.
Sireland, ireland, fareland, gareland, bareland, "your one cool cat webalohead".
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Every generation had/has there slang words. It has now progressed to yo-bonics. get over yourself either get with it or stay an old foggy doggy!
I went to work one day and the boss asked how the job and i was coming along. ... and i said every thing is slamming am jamming ... because i am the slam jam man. You'd have thought that the world had come to an end this guy lit me up like a Christmas tree for not speaking in a proper manner like i should have replied this job is fine and everything is great! But being the great sports fanatic he was which I ain't. I thought I would reply in a manner that would please him and get the stone faced AH to crack a smile. It didn't work and he never got along with me since then.
Sports announcers and Tv personalities use this terminology every day slang words to describe player actions and such it is a way to keep things alive and kicking. My sister used pig Latin back in the late 50's and early 60's. Franki Avalon came along and everything was cool daddy. What's the big deal with kids using whatever language that makes them happy.
And i don't want to hear because it's not proper english who cares.
I tinhk it's vrey ipmrotant to konw how to sepll and spaeck engsilh crorcetly..........................What if you couldn't read english and walked onto an american bathroom, and started to brush your teeth with a tube of Preperation H?
Your gums would shrink.
Pacattack i know your just trying to be funny. but if you know anything about Americans or foreigners for that matter English is the most spoken language in the world. taught in just about every country in the world. If you just stepped off the boat and didn't know how to read/speak English and walked into a bathroom and used preparation x with out knowing what was in the tube because you couldn't read, write, speak English then you need to have more than your gums shrunk.
Most but not every kid in this country is taught the english language now wether they wish to speak it or spell it correctly is entirely up to them. Amongst themselves if the choose to speak gibberish that's fine. However if they are communicating in some professional atmosphere then i think they should speak and act accordingly. However in most cases that isn't going to happen.
The english language has changed dramatically in the last 500 years and 100 years from now it will also be changed. Proper or otherwise nobody's going to stop they way every generation makes up new languages/slang out of the spoken english words.
Sireland, ireland, fareland, gareland, bareland, "your one cool cat webalohead".
That's just my personal opinion. I never will be able to speak and write absolutlely correct every time. However, I think that as unfair as it seems, people do judge you by the way you present yourself. Whether it's the way someone speaks or dresses, and even their manorism.
I used to work in a market research company, where they lost a $150,000.00 dollar, a year, account because of a young female that was doing a survey on the phone. Clients occasionally monitor people secretly to make sure that the person or persons are reading verbatim. The survey involved many questions about different magazines. Unfortunately she mispronounced the word " photography........photo-grafee.
Before anyone is hired, they are required to read an excerpt from a stock investment report. There were many times when I personally witnessed supervisors who did the pre-screen reading test, and passed them when they mispronounced words, just because they thought that maybe they could score with that individual or some other agenda. Well they got what they deserved.
That is why eight people including myself were let go, due to downsizing a year or so later. Now I'm not saying that was the whole reason for the downsizing, but I'm sure losing a large account like that didn't help.
You see these kids walking around spending 90 percent of their time and energy holding up their pants and scratching their heads why they aren't able to get a half decent job. A fad is a fad, but when it goes to that length, I'm sorry that's where I personally draw the line.
If you live in America, speak english. If you just came here off the boat.....then try as hard as you can to learn it. The english language is on it's way to being the universal one. It's one thing to keep tradition in the family, it's another to expand also in the proccess.
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You see these kids walking around spending 90 percent of their time and energy holding up their pants and scratching their heads why they aren't able to get a half decent job. A fad is a fad, but when it goes to that length, I'm sorry that's where I personally draw the line.
If you live in America, speak english. If you just came here off the boat.....then try as hard as you can to learn it. The english language is on it's way to being the universal one. It's one thing to keep tradition in the family, it's another to expand also in the proccess.
Pac:
I generally agree with your sentiments on this. I'd only say that so far as I can tell the young are being asked to make a lot of important decisions they can't possibly be wise enough, experienced enough, or smart enough to make. Happens in every avenue of endeavor. I guess it always has.
I say they're being asked, but it's reciprocal. They're also demanding to make those decisions, often in direct defiance of the advice of their parents, teachers, anyone older than themselves.
No one over the age of 30 is going to tell them any differently and have them believe it. They know too much to listen. And once they get so they don't know as much, it's frequently too late.
You and I have been there, done that. It all boils down to the fact that the young just aren't old enough to be any good at being young.
Tough gig being a young person. One of the things I'm most grateful for is that I don't have to do it again this lifetime.
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Rip I agree with everything you say except for the part about kids know too much to listen. Most 17 year olds are still wet behind the ears. I know, I was one. I thought I knew everything. I rebelled against my father so many times because of a lack of communication, on both sides.To make matters worse my father, to this day is stuck in his middle-eastern traditions which caused some of the rift between us. He ended up being right most of the time because he wanted me to have a better life than he did.
I stopped using excuses a long time ago. The reason That I'm in the situation that Iam is because I took the steps in the directions that led me here. With exceptions, every person is where they are because of choices they have made along the way. I'm so tired of people making excuses for every imaginable reason." He's poor so that's why he couldn't afford to send his son or daughter to Yale." " He or she grew up in the ghetto, so his peers made him or her become what they are" Instead of joining a gang, maybe they should take advantage of the free public library and making the effort to better themselves.
I could have been making 2 to 3 hundred thousand a year if I had only listened to my dad, but I chose....I chose not to because I wanted to have fun.
I've always said, everyone has to pay the piper. Either early on with schooling....or pay for the rest of your life. I should have chosen the first. Oh well, maybe next time around.
Personally I think reincarnation is a bunch of huey, considering you never remember your past in the next life. but that's a different subject...
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Rip I agree with everything you say except for the part about kids know too much to listen. Most 17 year olds are still wet behind the ears.
Depends on who you're asking, Pac. My "know too much" comment referred to the perspective of the youngster. They're like most of us in that they can know a most terrible lot without really knowing anything at all.
As for excuses, it's awfully difficult to live long enough to not make them. You're right, but everything in the 21st century argues nothing much happens that isn't the fault of someone else.
A bit like the game of Blackjack. Anytime you come up winners, it's skill. Come up losers and it's the fault of the house, the dealer, or one of the other players.
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Rip I agree with everything you say except for the part about kids know too much to listen. Most 17 year olds are still wet behind the ears. I know, I was one. I thought I knew everything. I rebelled against my father so many times because of a lack of communication, on both sides.To make matters worse my father, to this day is stuck in his middle-eastern traditions which caused some of the rift between us. He ended up being right most of the time because he wanted me to have a better life than he did.
I stopped using excuses a long time ago. The reason That I'm in the situation that Iam is because I took the steps in the directions that led me here. With exceptions, every person is where they are because of choices they have made along the way. I'm so tired of people making excuses for every imaginable reason." He's poor so that's why he couldn't afford to send his son or daughter to Yale." " He or she grew up in the ghetto, so his peers made him or her become what they are" Instead of joining a gang, maybe they should take advantage of the free public library and making the effort to better themselves.
I could have been making 2 to 3 hundred thousand a year if I had only listened to my dad, but I chose....I chose not to because I wanted to have fun.
I've always said, everyone has to pay the piper. Either early on with schooling....or pay for the rest of your life. I should have chosen the first. Oh well, maybe next time around.
Personally I think reincarnation is a bunch of huey, considering you never remember your past in the next life. but that's a different subject...
No one is criticizing you all I'm saying is that when I was a teenager there was more than one type of spoken language. Spoken then were the upper crusty types, which hardly any of us cared for and went out of our way not to talk like them. There were the beach boy types, the greasers, the racks, the hillbillies, the geto rap, the beatniks, the bro.'s, the hippies, and about a thousand more types all over the place these kids all knew what one another were saying they didn't have a problem with it and neither should we. Which by the way many of these types still exist today and while maybe not exactly like their predecessors have cloned to a newer version of the lingo.
Were not talking about what happens in the real world kids might live in the real world but they definitely don't share the views of the majority of adults.
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Yes Rip, that is called instinct......Fight or flight response......I agree....most teens know and are aware of their surroundings in their own little way, which is sometimes admirable...did i spell it right????
A typical teen has all the reserves of energy and a somewhat A Quasi-sense in their own Rite. I don't know ....I'm always trying to learn....We all start pure and innocent, yet slowly swept away by humanity's realism, that no one can escape from......
I like the Blackjack analogy....that was good....!
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This is by far the funniest post that I've read on LottyPost. I almost fell out of my chair laughing. Never thought I'd witness a bunch of middle-aged people sitting around trying to translate the lastest version of "slang". If any of you ever get lost in a chat room, you'll see that there is an entire generation of teens and pre-teens that use this language on the 'net. I made the mistake of trying to play an online card game on yahoo when I realize that I was way to old to be there, and way too old to understand (or try to use) this type of slang. This is not a case of not knowing how to spell. In fact these kids go to great lengths to be as "creative' as possible with their spelling. In fact, they probably have to know the correct spelling of a word in order to trick it up. I'm sure that Ms Sha has got to be the youngest member here. She probably won't stay around very long once she realizes how "slangalistically" challenged we all are. Or on the other hand, maybe she will hang around and get a good laugh.
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This is by far the funniest post that I've read on LottyPost. I almost fell out of my chair laughing. Never thought I'd witness a bunch of middle-aged people sitting around trying to translate the lastest version of "slang". If any of you ever get lost in a chat room, you'll see that there is an entire generation of teens and pre-teens that use this language on the 'net. I made the mistake of trying to play an online card game on yahoo when I realize that I was way to old to be there, and way too old to understand (or try to use) this type of slang. This is not a case of not knowing how to spell. In fact these kids go to great lengths to be as "creative' as possible with their spelling. In fact, they probably have to know the correct spelling of a word in order to trick it up. I'm sure that Ms Sha has got to be the youngest member here. She probably won't stay around very long once she realizes how "slangalistically" challenged we all are. Or on the other hand, maybe she will hang around and get a good laugh.
HOLLA BACK!!!
With all due respect........here we go....more excuses...Don't mind me. I'm obviously in my reality.
Everyone has their right to opine on any version of whatever. That's what's so great about this site.....
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This is by far the funniest post that I've read on LottyPost. I almost fell out of my chair laughing. Never thought I'd witness a bunch of middle-aged people sitting around trying to translate the lastest version of "slang". If any of you ever get lost in a chat room, you'll see that there is an entire generation of teens and pre-teens that use this language on the 'net. I made the mistake of trying to play an online card game on yahoo when I realize that I was way to old to be there, and way too old to understand (or try to use) this type of slang. This is not a case of not knowing how to spell. In fact these kids go to great lengths to be as "creative' as possible with their spelling. In fact, they probably have to know the correct spelling of a word in order to trick it up. I'm sure that Ms Sha has got to be the youngest member here. She probably won't stay around very long once she realizes how "slangalistically" challenged we all are. Or on the other hand, maybe she will hang around and get a good laugh.
HOLLA BACK!!!
With all due respect........here we go....more excuses...Don't mind me. I'm obviously in my reality.
Everyone has their right to opine on any version of whatever. That's what's so great about this site.....
With all due respect, you seem to be very far removed from the world of 13 yr old American kids. At this age kids do whatever is "cool" at the time. Since adults are not cool, kids try to be as different as possible from their parents and whatever other adults they are around. They have their own way of walking, talking, dressing, and everything else. As they get older, being "cool" becomes less important. But for now, they are just trying to find their place in this world - whether adults like it or not.
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This is by far the funniest post that I've read on LottyPost. I almost fell out of my chair laughing. Never thought I'd witness a bunch of middle-aged people sitting around trying to translate the lastest version of "slang". If any of you ever get lost in a chat room, you'll see that there is an entire generation of teens and pre-teens that use this language on the 'net. I made the mistake of trying to play an online card game on yahoo when I realize that I was way to old to be there, and way too old to understand (or try to use) this type of slang. This is not a case of not knowing how to spell. In fact these kids go to great lengths to be as "creative' as possible with their spelling. In fact, they probably have to know the correct spelling of a word in order to trick it up. I'm sure that Ms Sha has got to be the youngest member here. She probably won't stay around very long once she realizes how "slangalistically" challenged we all are. Or on the other hand, maybe she will hang around and get a good laugh.
HOLLA BACK!!!
I'm not going to sit still while anyone calls me 'middle aged'. Don't be doing it anymore.
I'm the whatchallit. Elderly. The ones that are mostly preyed upon by scam artists and the like.
That's because we can mostly spell, but we're too stupid to be able to smell a scam. All of us.