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Posted: August 21, 2005, 4:49 pm - IP Logged

Two words:  punctuation and paragraphs!

one sentence: get a life!!

You forgot to start the sentence with a capital letter. Just joking....LOL

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    so in the uk lotteries they use 8 sets of balls and 2-3 sets of machines depending on which draw, so judging by the preceding responses i guess the residents of the uk have no real chance of getting close to those magic 6 numbers and players who use a 'system' or chart have just the same chance as those who buy a luckydip.

    the irish lottery seems to be a good lottery to play as you can put as little as a penny on each combination you chose i find that if i chose 15 of the best numbers and put a penny on each possible treble this can work well as you can put literally hundreds of combinations on for only a few pounds but the only downfall is you have to divide the prize up i.e. 4 numbers correct prize : 5000 pounds for 1 pound stake, but if you put a penny on each combination you must divide your 1 pound stake by 100 so the prize is 50 pounds.

    so what is the best advice for uk players who use a system if the lottery organisers use so many different sets of ball and machines?. just go for the numbers that come out most often or just work on some kind of average?

    a few replies on here seem to have dismissed the idea that certain numbers come out more than others due to simply the mass,weight and mehcanical differences in the equipment used in lottery draws, may i ask the question to why lottery organisers use so many different sets of balls and machines? well its because they want to make the draw as random as possible. so then if the mechanics of the equipment used appently doesnt effect the behavier of the balls why not use just the one set of balls and one machine? because these people are professionals and know only too well that a bias would show very quickly indeed, and they certainly dont want 300 people winning the jackpot each week each winner getting about 1000 pounds  every week, people would stop playing! they want the jackpot to roll over so they can promote it and generate more revenue, after all they are a business in it to make profit.

    i can gaurantee that if there was a lottery somewhere in the world that used 1 machine and one set of balls consistently for 6 months i honestly think i cound win almost every time i played at least 4-5 numbers, come on is this not just common sense?  


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      so in the uk lotteries they use 8 sets of balls and 2-3 sets of machines depending on which draw, so judging by the preceding responses i guess the residents of the uk have no real chance of getting close to those magic 6 numbers and players who use a 'system' or chart have just the same chance as those who buy a luckydip.

      the irish lottery seems to be a good lottery to play as you can put as little as a penny on each combination you chose i find that if i chose 15 of the best numbers and put a penny on each possible treble this can work well as you can put literally hundreds of combinations on for only a few pounds but the only downfall is you have to divide the prize up i.e. 4 numbers correct prize : 5000 pounds for 1 pound stake, but if you put a penny on each combination you must divide your 1 pound stake by 100 so the prize is 50 pounds.

      so what is the best advice for uk players who use a system if the lottery organisers use so many different sets of ball and machines?. just go for the numbers that come out most often or just work on some kind of average?

      a few replies on here seem to have dismissed the idea that certain numbers come out more than others due to simply the mass,weight and mehcanical differences in the equipment used in lottery draws, may i ask the question to why lottery organisers use so many different sets of balls and machines? well its because they want to make the draw as random as possible. so then if the mechanics of the equipment used appently doesnt effect the behavier of the balls why not use just the one set of balls and one machine? because these people are professionals and know only too well that a bias would show very quickly indeed, and they certainly dont want 300 people winning the jackpot each week each winner getting about 1000 pounds  every week, people would stop playing! they want the jackpot to roll over so they can promote it and generate more revenue, after all they are a business in it to make profit.

      i can gaurantee that if there was a lottery somewhere in the world that used 1 machine and one set of balls consistently for 6 months i honestly think i cound win almost every time i played at least 4-5 numbers, come on is this not just common sense?  

      In your last paragraph....I've said that atleast two or three times in the past. In the pick-3, if I knew the rotation cylces of the ball sets in advance I would simply follow their travels, and I would win more often.

       

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        Has aynyone ever considered that the machines are not only used for the actual draw on friday-evening? (or any other evening)

        What if they get tested during the week or so? I guess they are not going to publish the results.

        I would say, "so much for history"...

        It is said that one draw does not have anything to do with another, if it is true then predraws should not make any difference, in truth, predraws matter little, but matter, but it might also maybe depend on your system(s), don't rely on "conventional" math too much. Rely on observation(s) much more.

        If your pre-draws are unpublished then don't worry about them, because there is nothing then that you can do about them, and anyhow as I said, they don't matter as much as people think that they do.

        Both: Small and large samples of past draws do matter (I think), predraws or no predraws.

        Good luck.

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          Posted: August 21, 2005, 7:58 pm - IP Logged

          if there is a system that allows players to make a profit it would not take long for all players to know about it and the lottery would cease to function.

          and if a QP is a system, so be it, that is the limit of my energy expense for the MM.

          i do sometimes exercise for the pick 3, and try differing programs.

          what a dichotomy

          the odds do not mean much to those who win the jackpot


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            There are independant auditors present at the time of drawing. I'm just not sure whether they also monitor all the other aspects, such as regular inspections between draws, or what paurths mentioned about using the tubes in between draws.

            Very good point that I overlooked. Makes me wonder whats going on behind the scenes. we will see.

            As far as what lantern said....."It is said that one draw does not have anything to do with the another".......True only if you bet once on anything in your whole life, however when you continue betting, the odds are in favor, of exponentially heading the opposite way, as I read this from a system that had to do with mathematical RANDOM NUMBER DISPLACEMENT, or RND analyzation. He clearly, in my opinion, undermined that old belief that balls or draws don't remember recent history. They absolutley don't I agree, but the point he is trying to make is that to prove in a simplistic way, an experiment that shows influence is present when they are compounded.

            If a coin was only flipped once and only once in your entire lifetime, and you bet on it, it would be truley 50/50. According to this guy, If you flipped a coin that came up heads ten times in a row....What would you bet on the 11th?

            When numerous bets are placed consecutively and the outcome is the same, then something weird starts to happen. With each sequence  the outcome will be forced by nature to do the opposite. This is where RND is concerned.

            If you have 3 wins in a row, and then you lose....that is where RND is taking place. He gives you a couple of choices from that point on and tells you how to bet accordingly. This also works in reverse if you start with 3 losses, and then a win.

            In closing, RND is only a temporary disruption of the norm. When it hiccups then you know when and how to read that signature, and bet accordingly.

            There are people out there who do nothing as far as work goes and spend their time making a living at the casino's expense ....just walking around the floor and looking for RNDs in slot machines. They make a very good living.

            One final point.....The above only applies to a 50/50 scenario. When you involve multiple possibilities, the problem gets harder. The good news is that he takes care of that problem with other manuals involving different types of games...such as gaming...or with any betting scenario.

            You can test his results with anything random. It's a universal law.

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              I absolutely agree on that with you 100%, too bad that most people don't know any better.

              That is why I said "They Say".

              I noticed what you said and it's the truth.

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                But random is weird, the draws can be what I would call "Broken Sequential" and not just chained straight sequential, they can  be "Jump Sequential", but there has to be particular spaced intervals even if they are "Jumped"

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                  Well, i guess this all means one needs to walk the truly randomness as it exists.
                  Entropy will increase as time goes by. Next thing you know you are using Feynman's path integrals to "predict" all possible pasts to achieve the "knowledge" of the status entropy is currently in. Which would actually be pretty hard to analyse, let alone the time it would take to compute all the possible pasts.
                  'He who knows the past, knows the future.', isn't that what "they" are saying?


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                    Entropy is a strange entity, so to speak. It is the state where all matter decays, thus proving that evolution cannnot exist. Evolution is supposedly, always evolving, yet it's decaying. What gives?

                    If your attaching the entropy idea to balls wearing out then you are correct. I just don't personally think such extremely small changes can make a substantive outcome.

                    From the birth of anything, there is always a downhill erosion within that lifespan, therefore how can something evolve if it's always being eaten away by either oxidation or some other method? Believe it or not oxygen is killing us, as much as sustaining all life.

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                      Well the path to the future draws might very well be thru the past draws, I think so, but I could be wrong.

                      Maybe predict future draws thru knowledge of past draws and their "Random"patterns.

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                        Life is not being alive, but a cycle of living, dying and (Re)living again.


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                          Life is not being alive, but a cycle of living, dying and (Re)living again.

                          Re-living of new creatures and stars or whatever, in my opinion, doesn't cut it for me. The past info that is passed on to the new will only have data that has not been updated. True, that mutations exist, however those mutations are just a futile attempt, falling on the hands of a rebelious universe to out-wit the inevitable.

                          Thanx for sharing ideas.

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                            You guys are reading or putting something into these drawings that just isn't there i have written many times based on what i learned from the peoples whom make the balls. These balls are made to exacting standards. Granted they have a life cycle that life cycle might be amount of times used or some point in time where the boss might say toss out all the balls and replace every ball set with new balls. It might be done once a year twice a year who knows. Find someone that works for the lottery and ask them or call them. All this speculation is just that speculation.
                            If you question randomness take 10 bottle caps write the numbers 1 thru 0 on them place them in a paper bag shake the bag draw one cap write that number down place the cap back in the bag shake it draw another cap write this number down continue doing this until you are satisfied that you can see for yourself the numbers on the caps didn't change the caps weren't talking to one another the caps didn't make a decision to go first or last in your hand in fact the caps like the balls haven't a clue as to which one will be drawn and neither should you.
                            It's a game of chance. If you happen to pick the winning number that you bet then pat yourself on the back you just beat tremendous odds that you couldn't guess the winning numbers. 

                             

                             

                             

                             


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                              You guys are reading or putting something into these drawings that just isn't there i have written many times based on what i learned from the peoples whom make the balls. These balls are made to exacting standards. Granted they have a life cycle that life cycle might be amount of times used or some point in time where the boss might say toss out all the balls and replace every ball set with new balls. It might be done once a year twice a year who knows. Find someone that works for the lottery and ask them or call them. All this speculation is just that speculation.
                              If you question randomness take 10 bottle caps write the numbers 1 thru 0 on them place them in a paper bag shake the bag draw one cap write that number down place the cap back in the bag shake it draw another cap write this number down continue doing this until you are satisfied that you can see for yourself the numbers on the caps didn't change the caps weren't talking to one another the caps didn't make a decision to go first or last in your hand in fact the caps like the balls haven't a clue as to which one will be drawn and neither should you.
                              It's a game of chance. If you happen to pick the winning number that you bet then pat yourself on the back you just beat tremendous odds that you couldn't guess the winning numbers. 

                               

                               

                               

                               

                              I think you like to generalize everything on this Site. With all due respect, you give a green light to alot of unwarranted behaviors, and situations. Your blanket statements seem to be the commom thread, in just about every topic.

                              Anything goes mentality......there is no system..... there are no patterns......no one knows anything because I'm the all knowing. Please, give me a break. I'm sure you're much more open minded than that.

                              Someone may look at a flower and see small petals in the center and larger ones fanning out.

                              Someone else might look at that same flower and see the Fibonacci sequence embbeded, within the emrgence of the size of the petals and their arrangement, and the spiral.

                              There are patterns from the most micro to the macro. And in a repeating fashion. I know you can see them.

                              Galaxies have a center with orbiting entities. Solar systems have a center with orbiting entities. Stars have a center that have orbiting entities. Planets have a center with orbiting entities. Atoms have a nucleus with orbiting entities.

                              Your right, there are no systems.