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And you sound as if you have some symbiotic relationship to the balls. I never said there weren't any patterns or anything to the contrary. All i said is the balls and rng's while it's nice to think or act as if we could communicate with them and they will magically be drawn that just doesn't happen. I spend a great deal of time trying to win these games using any number of tips and tricks i learned before i came to lottery post and since i joined.
Were not talking about flowers and macros and orbiting stars in this thread but if you want to go there then be my guest. I can point you to any place i might have traveled here on lottery post. And back up what i say with proof if need be. I go out of my way to find websites related to the lottery and it's products and developments. I spoke because i worked for the partner company that makes the lottery balls and machines here in maryland anything you want to know about them i have the answers and can point you to the information you seek. Or you could do as i did and hit the search engine on your web browser.

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    And you sound as if you have some symbiotic relationship to the balls. I never said there weren't any patterns or anything to the contrary. All i said is the balls and rng's while it's nice to think or act as if we could communicate with them and they will magically be drawn that just doesn't happen. I spend a great deal of time trying to win these games using any number of tips and tricks i learned before i came to lottery post and since i joined.
    Were not talking about flowers and macros and orbiting stars in this thread but if you want to go there then be my guest. I can point you to any place i might have traveled here on lottery post. And back up what i say with proof if need be. I go out of my way to find websites related to the lottery and it's products and developments. I spoke because i worked for the partner company that makes the lottery balls and machines here in maryland anything you want to know about them i have the answers and can point you to the information you seek. Or you could do as i did and hit the search engine on your web browser.

    You definitely are a piece of work.

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      pacattack05: Galaxies have a center with orbiting entities. Solar systems have a center with orbiting entities. Stars have a center that have orbiting entities. Planets have a center with orbiting entities. Atoms have a nucleus with orbiting entities.

      Good thing you only compared atoms with galaxies to make a point about existance of systems, b/c micro- and macrosystem are totally different from each other when it comes to physics. Not to mention the comparison between microsystems and clusters of galaxies.

       

      pacattack05: Entropy is a strange entity, so to speak. It is the state where all matter decays, thus proving that evolution cannnot exist. Evolution is supposedly, always evolving, yet it's decaying. What gives?


      Well, it depends against what (periodic) standard you measure "evolving". For example, evolution of mankind is at some speed now, intellectually. Yet, see what this evolution of mankind does to the non-intellectual things, namely the planet we live on. It seems to evolve in a negative way. So the question here is, which one from both is evolving positively. The answer does not have to be "mankind", depending on who's asking.

      Anyway, in any closed system entropy will increase as time passes by. (second law of thermodynamics) --> let everything in your house as it is. Entropy will hit in such a way you could actually see its evolution.
      It would be fantastic to remember the future instead of the past, but that is simply not the reality we live in.

      The next part comes from Stephen Hawking. I had to look it up b/c i could not type it down exactly as he wrote it. (it's been several years now since i have read it...)
      Its pretty hard reading, i guess in first case b/c of my poor translation, but it's interesting.

       

      The psychological timearrow of a human being is the same as the psychological timearrow of a computer. If this wasn't so, we would win every lottery (SH used the stockmarket as example here instead of lottery) using a computer that remembered tomorrows draws.
      Before any data is stored in the pc's RAM, for the example sake called "elements", the RAM is in a not-arranged state. Every possible position (0 or 1) for every element is not more and not less likely than the other. After action is taken, the elements will all be in 1 certain position. RAM has gone from chaos to order. To make sure that this happens, an amount of energy has to be used. This energy leaves the pc as warmth AND increases the amount of entropy/chaos in the universe. (the increasement of entropy is always greater than the increasement of order) The timedirection in which the pc "remembers" the past is equal to the timedirection in which entropy increases.
      So, the human realizaton in the brain (as in "i realise that today is monday", e.g. b/c my poor English) is therefore determined by the thermodynamical timearrow. We, like a pc, must remember things in the order in which entropy increases.

      So, entropy increases as time fly's by, b/c we measure time in the same direction as entropy increases. Can't get more solid than this.

      The question that arises then; why must the universe at one side of time be in an arranged state? Why doesn't always stay in a total or pretty much total entropical manner?
      The latter seems the most probable, does it not?
      And why is the direction of time in which entropy increases equal to the one in which the universe expands?

      (we make a jump here, to get to the point, i hope ;-)

      The very young universe, was in an arranged state. Eventually, during the expansion fluctuations at molecular level will have been pretty small in the beginning, but eventually the expansion will be slowed down by area's with extra gravity. In the end such area's stopped expanding and instead collapsed and formed galaxies, stars and creatures like us. The universe will have started arranged and over time will have become not-arranged, also forming clusters of galaxies. This is an explanation for the existance of such a thing as the thermodynamical timearrow.

      (jump again)

      This brings us to the next question; will entropy decrease as the universe (might) shrink again?
      This would mean that the timearrows will be reversed, b/c it has to return to a state of full order again. For SF-authors this would be magnificent. Imagine this: a cup of coffee falls from a table and splashes to pieces on the ground. That is how we see it now; order to chaos, bound to the timearrow. (3 arrows to be precise)
      If the universe would return from chaos to order as it shrinks, then the cup of coffee would return to one piece and jump back onto the table.
      Time would be reversed. Men would die before birth and getting younger as the universe shrinks.

      No, it will not decrease. In fact, the universe will then fall in such a state where chaos will be no or just less than total.

      In fact, the real question that we must ask then is: "why do we live in the period of expansion and not in the period of shrinking?"
      The question is the answer.
      During the shrinkperiod the curcomstances would not exactly be the best for intelligent creatures that asks questions like: "why does entropy increases in the same direction as the direction in which the universe is expanding?"
      At that time, the shrinkperiod, all stars will have used there fuell and protons and neutrons inside those stars will most likely have been transformed to lightparticles.
      Total chaos will then just be a small step away. The thermodynamical timearrow will have ceased to exists as we know it. Entropy no longer increases b/c chaos is (almost) complete.
      And here is; a thermodynamical timearrow is absolutely necessary for the existance of intelligent life. To survive "men" must eat food, an arranged form of energy, that they transform into warmth, an not-arranged form of energy.
      Intelligent life can simply not exist in the shrink period.

      It gets even worse; By reading this book and remembering every word in it, your memory has taken and stored about 2 000 000 peaces (units) of information: the order in your brain has increased. In the meantime, while reading, you have at least transformed about a thousand calories of arranged energy, food, into not-arranged energy in the shape of warmth. This warmth that you produced is "given" to the surrounding air by transpiration and such.
      This encreases the entropy in the universe by approximately 20 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 units.
      That's about 10 000 000 000 000 000 000 times the increasement of order in your brains... And this only if you remember every word in this book.

      End.

      Evolution as we know it increases entropy in the universe. Our little corner in the universe is just a little arranged corner in a total surrounding of chaos. And by giving our corner more order, we increase the chaos. Or, by giving our corner more order, we work towards our own distruction.

      For lotterygames, this would pretty much mean that one would study the patterns, just so he would be sure not to use them in future draws, b/c entropy will increase. Only in a lottery on a galactical timescale ofcourse. The few seconds in the total time the universe exists will not make the difference for us hunting down those, so they seem, uncatchable patterns.
      Perhaps we just make them up as we go and they truly don't exist, just for the sake of our nature: bring/imagine order in  chaos, or bring chaos into order.

      I'm of now, in pursuit of patterns!!! Wink


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        ok this should spark a little interest, i am a keen lottery player i have studied patterns and developed every chart possible over a period of 5 years with not very good results, by that i mean im not a millionaire yet! after showing someone my research he pointed out something very simple but very important that i have seemed to overlook and is rarely ever mentioned. now we both agreed that certain numbers come up more often than others and there must be a reason for this and he used the term 'mechanical resistance' the only reason that certain numbers fall more often than others is because of the characteristics of the balls and the machine used it has nothing to do with magic or voodoo, now going a little deeper each ball will be a different weight and mass to the next it will be so small but will make a difference and everytime a ball gets drawn maybe it generates more wear causing it to fall more or less and each machine will be simular in structure but will not be identical to each other all it would take is in one of the machines to have a variable for example you can buy 3 identical nissan micra cars 2 of them will run for 10 years with no trouble yet the other one's engine will blow up! why? because no 2 machines are 100% identical and maybe the metal used in the engine on the poorer car was weaker than the others. now after 5years and a wealth of charts my friend pointed out to me that im actually only 1/3 of the way there! as he pointed out that all my graphs are good for looking at the lottery results on a whole but what about the different machines used and sets of balls used, something that is rarely looked at and discussed in lottery analysis and it is so important as he pointed out a roulette wheel eventually will show a bias due to the mechanical resistance and 'clever' players can make a healthy profit by looking at what has already happened and the bias as they only use 1 table and 1 ball however in the uk national lottery for example there are (i believe) 3 machines , opal, moonstone and amethyst and 8 sets of balls and no way of knowing which machine is going to be used or set of balls before hand if you were to get any closer to winning you would need 24 sepaerte sets of analysis all 8 sets of balls with all 3 different machines then if you could find out that the machine 'opal' was going to be use and set of balls '7' then you could get your anaysis or frequency chart out for 'machine opal with set of balls 7' because lets say number 21 for example looked really good and had a good chance of hitting (in general) but when you dig deeper it comes out all the time in 'opal' and 'amethyst' but they are going to use the 'moonstone' machine and lets say number 21 came out reguly from sets of balls 1,2,4,5 but they are using set of balls 3 so your stuffed! its like horse racing, you can study how strong the horse is and how wel it runs on certain grounds we can do the same with lottery numbers we can see how well it has done in the past( in general) but we dont know what ground its going to be running on ( what machine ) i think the only way to win at this now is to have a seperate set of analysis for each possible machine and set of balls, in the uk national lottery that would be 24 and then after you have all that date (which would be a lots of charts!) you knew BEFOREHAND which machine and set was being used then you stand a  chance of getting close but we dont know beforehand so really in the  6/49 uk draw the odds of winning the jackpot are aprox14 million to 1 but really you have to add all the different combinations of machines and balls so teh odds are 14 million to 1 multiplied by 24!!!!! then if you manage to beat those odds get the right machine and balls then you still have the origional odds of 14 million to 1 to beat! im starting to think this is too hard to beat if there was a lottery draw that used 1 MACHINE 1 SET OF BALLS then a strong bias would develop and all of us 'smart' players who study trends would be very wealthy as balls would become damaged the machine would wear we dont even know if and when a lottery machine has had a new part fitted that would cause a whoel chunk of date to be scrapped so without all this data i personally think the only way now is just to play the numbers that have came up the most often a little underproductive i know but really what else is there to do? id really like some feedback on this as it is something that is often overlooked yet i believe if someone had this data they would have a winning system maybe if i started working for them and knew in advance, we can only dream!!  

        Paurths.... Have you met daveyctvr?

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          Just science, pacattack05, i did not invent it...
          Prediction is possible, but one must be aware that uncertainty has the edge. (like in quantum, specific knowledge of A means the knowledge of B will decrease and vice versa.)


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            pacattack05: Galaxies have a center with orbiting entities. Solar systems have a center with orbiting entities. Stars have a center that have orbiting entities. Planets have a center with orbiting entities. Atoms have a nucleus with orbiting entities.

            Good thing you only compared atoms with galaxies to make a point about existance of systems, b/c micro- and macrosystem are totally different from each other when it comes to physics. Not to mention the comparison between microsystems and clusters of galaxies.

             

            pacattack05: Entropy is a strange entity, so to speak. It is the state where all matter decays, thus proving that evolution cannnot exist. Evolution is supposedly, always evolving, yet it's decaying. What gives?


            Well, it depends against what (periodic) standard you measure "evolving". For example, evolution of mankind is at some speed now, intellectually. Yet, see what this evolution of mankind does to the non-intellectual things, namely the planet we live on. It seems to evolve in a negative way. So the question here is, which one from both is evolving positively. The answer does not have to be "mankind", depending on who's asking.

            Anyway, in any closed system entropy will increase as time passes by. (second law of thermodynamics) --> let everything in your house as it is. Entropy will hit in such a way you could actually see its evolution.
            It would be fantastic to remember the future instead of the past, but that is simply not the reality we live in.

            The next part comes from Stephen Hawking. I had to look it up b/c i could not type it down exactly as he wrote it. (it's been several years now since i have read it...)
            Its pretty hard reading, i guess in first case b/c of my poor translation, but it's interesting.

             

            The psychological timearrow of a human being is the same as the psychological timearrow of a computer. If this wasn't so, we would win every lottery (SH used the stockmarket as example here instead of lottery) using a computer that remembered tomorrows draws.
            Before any data is stored in the pc's RAM, for the example sake called "elements", the RAM is in a not-arranged state. Every possible position (0 or 1) for every element is not more and not less likely than the other. After action is taken, the elements will all be in 1 certain position. RAM has gone from chaos to order. To make sure that this happens, an amount of energy has to be used. This energy leaves the pc as warmth AND increases the amount of entropy/chaos in the universe. (the increasement of entropy is always greater than the increasement of order) The timedirection in which the pc "remembers" the past is equal to the timedirection in which entropy increases.
            So, the human realizaton in the brain (as in "i realise that today is monday", e.g. b/c my poor English) is therefore determined by the thermodynamical timearrow. We, like a pc, must remember things in the order in which entropy increases.

            So, entropy increases as time fly's by, b/c we measure time in the same direction as entropy increases. Can't get more solid than this.

            The question that arises then; why must the universe at one side of time be in an arranged state? Why doesn't always stay in a total or pretty much total entropical manner?
            The latter seems the most probable, does it not?
            And why is the direction of time in which entropy increases equal to the one in which the universe expands?

            (we make a jump here, to get to the point, i hope ;-)

            The very young universe, was in an arranged state. Eventually, during the expansion fluctuations at molecular level will have been pretty small in the beginning, but eventually the expansion will be slowed down by area's with extra gravity. In the end such area's stopped expanding and instead collapsed and formed galaxies, stars and creatures like us. The universe will have started arranged and over time will have become not-arranged, also forming clusters of galaxies. This is an explanation for the existance of such a thing as the thermodynamical timearrow.

            (jump again)

            This brings us to the next question; will entropy decrease as the universe (might) shrink again?
            This would mean that the timearrows will be reversed, b/c it has to return to a state of full order again. For SF-authors this would be magnificent. Imagine this: a cup of coffee falls from a table and splashes to pieces on the ground. That is how we see it now; order to chaos, bound to the timearrow. (3 arrows to be precise)
            If the universe would return from chaos to order as it shrinks, then the cup of coffee would return to one piece and jump back onto the table.
            Time would be reversed. Men would die before birth and getting younger as the universe shrinks.

            No, it will not decrease. In fact, the universe will then fall in such a state where chaos will be no or just less than total.

            In fact, the real question that we must ask then is: "why do we live in the period of expansion and not in the period of shrinking?"
            The question is the answer.
            During the shrinkperiod the curcomstances would not exactly be the best for intelligent creatures that asks questions like: "why does entropy increases in the same direction as the direction in which the universe is expanding?"
            At that time, the shrinkperiod, all stars will have used there fuell and protons and neutrons inside those stars will most likely have been transformed to lightparticles.
            Total chaos will then just be a small step away. The thermodynamical timearrow will have ceased to exists as we know it. Entropy no longer increases b/c chaos is (almost) complete.
            And here is; a thermodynamical timearrow is absolutely necessary for the existance of intelligent life. To survive "men" must eat food, an arranged form of energy, that they transform into warmth, an not-arranged form of energy.
            Intelligent life can simply not exist in the shrink period.

            It gets even worse; By reading this book and remembering every word in it, your memory has taken and stored about 2 000 000 peaces (units) of information: the order in your brain has increased. In the meantime, while reading, you have at least transformed about a thousand calories of arranged energy, food, into not-arranged energy in the shape of warmth. This warmth that you produced is "given" to the surrounding air by transpiration and such.
            This encreases the entropy in the universe by approximately 20 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 units.
            That's about 10 000 000 000 000 000 000 times the increasement of order in your brains... And this only if you remember every word in this book.

            End.

            Evolution as we know it increases entropy in the universe. Our little corner in the universe is just a little arranged corner in a total surrounding of chaos. And by giving our corner more order, we increase the chaos. Or, by giving our corner more order, we work towards our own distruction.

            For lotterygames, this would pretty much mean that one would study the patterns, just so he would be sure not to use them in future draws, b/c entropy will increase. Only in a lottery on a galactical timescale ofcourse. The few seconds in the total time the universe exists will not make the difference for us hunting down those, so they seem, uncatchable patterns.
            Perhaps we just make them up as we go and they truly don't exist, just for the sake of our nature: bring/imagine order in  chaos, or bring chaos into order.

            I'm of now, in pursuit of patterns!!! Wink

            In all fun, and the serious side, that was good reading. Thanx paurths,,,,,Patterns are  a good thing.

            I know what someone in front of me on the highway, most of the time, is going to do. Living here in south west Florida, "The waiting room for God", will always enhance your reaction time.  I love systems. 


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              Just science, pacattack05, i did not invent it...
              Prediction is possible, but one must be aware that uncertainty has the edge. (like in quantum, specific knowledge of A means the knowledge of B will decrease and vice versa.)

              Quantum physics....We need a science forum here in the LP. Great subject....uncertainty....The cat in the box scenerio......good example.

              Love this stuff...

              Quantum physics is where Einstein wanted to end up. That moment in his life, to him felt like he didn't finalize the theories of all theories. Trying to deal with his  inability to know whether God plays dice or not.

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                my my my what a long dialogue today. tthis is way more complcated than my little mind can handle.

                i do get the drift though having read hawkings and other's.

                i think i prefer the Silva method today

                for  those of you who can digest the previous posts, or those of you who made them could boil tghem down for me

                thanks

                the odds do not mean much to those who win the jackpot


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                  What is the silva method?

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                    i have two of the books i borrowed from the library

                    these books were refered on LP

                    if i understand it is a reality, a person can control things

                    kind of like if you think a thing you can become a thing

                    which is a theory proposed by several authors

                    in other words think of yourself as wealthy, act as if you are wealthy and you will becpme wealthy.

                    substitute your word of choice for wealthy.

                     

                    the odds do not mean much to those who win the jackpot

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                      What is the silva method?

                      google - silva method

                      love to nibble those micey feet.

                       

                                                   

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                        From Edgar Cayce "The mind is the builder" for anything to come into being, it first has to be "Seen" or maybe the word is "seing" by the "Mind".


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                          Thanx emilyg and lantern...I know of Casey, I'll just have to read up on silva, yet when you described it, it kind of came to me that the name Silva rang a bell.

                          Thanx all...

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                            Jose Silva, "The Silva Mind Control Method" an old book and also a paperback. Check it out at your public library, very good stuff to read.


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                              Who needs the library...I not only have the library, but the universe here at my fingertips.

                              I will check it out. Thanx .