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Posted: November 29, 2005, 11:14 am - IP Logged

Todd,

  Tell me if I understand the way the Deflate tool works, 1.You input your draws and it tells you how many times a certain combo hit boxed. 2.When you Deflate minus the input draws, it tells you which boxes are missing. When option 2 is used, how does the program know which boxes are missing. Do you have a database of the boxed combos, the program pulls from? If so, why can't the database contain all 1000 combos, then when option 2 is used ( Deflate minus input). Wouldn't that tell you, how many straight combos were missing?

Carbob

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    Posted: November 29, 2005, 11:21 am - IP Logged

    There are approx. 4000 numbers that haven't hit straight in Md. It was fairly easy to make the list of hits verses non hit numbers.

    However trying to combine all states hits versus non hits would be huge compared to one tracking just one state.

    Someone with a complete data base of every state could write a program to sort the data. For each state.

    I think numbers that hit more often would be more useful than numbers that haven't hit. But I found that certain pairs that hit over a 10 to 20 draw period continue to hit about 3-4 or more times. Some of the hits are from the hit list and some are from the no hit list. On average about 2 - four digit no hit numbers hit 2 times in each of the 10 groups every month.

    A person with program skills could filter these numbers by tracking the working pairs and making selections using the data of most hit numbers along with non hit numbers. I miss a lot of hits because I can't or don't take the time to recognize the possible numbers to play. Mainly because I don't have a program to sort the data. Or search for the next possible hits that follow the working pairs. I am doing the search using manual search methods by eye.

     

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      Posted: November 29, 2005, 11:37 am - IP Logged

      I just got a good read of this thread. I think it would be a GREAT idea to have the 1000 STR's deflate option!!!

      I have had fits here trying to come up with a way to easily track/find some sort of logic to get Pick3 straight hits for Idaho and most days "NOBODY" on LP even gives this place a look. At least with this option I could give it a look for myself. Idaho has a computer draw and won't even show it on TV, said it wasn't cost effective. I haven't seen many people winning here when I look at the payouts so where is the money going. I want some of my money back and a fair chance to get it. If I can catch up with there computer I feel I could get that.

      Great Idea WinD!!!

      Come on Todd. Give it a go!!!

      Lotto makes my world go round!!!!

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        Posted: November 29, 2005, 12:09 pm - IP Logged

        Todd,

        This is what I was trying to do with my excel spreedsheet.
        I know you can do this with your system a lot qicker then I can with mine.

        Don't forget play 4!!

        Powerplayer

        Good luck to everyone!!!

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          Posted: November 29, 2005, 12:42 pm - IP Logged

          Would it be possible to create a page where you could do the following:

          List all states Pick 3 and Pick 4 (Similar to the drawing results page)

          1.  check box next to each state Midday and Evening.  This gives you the option of selecting what states you want to include. (or leave out)

          2.  Drop Down Box - this is where you would enter the number of days.  For example:  you could enter "20" (days) and this would give you roughly 1000 previous results of all the states you want to filter in step 1.

          3.  Output box:  This is where you would have the list of all combinations from the list of 1000 that have not hit.

          So for example:  Step 1 - you select only the Midday States Pick 3

                                    Step 2 - you enter "30" (number of previous days results)

                                    Step 3 - Click "Enter"

                                    Step 4 - Results Box would list all the No Hit Straight Combinations.

          Another possibility is to limit the results to when a full set of Doubles and No Match have not hit.

          For example:  122, 212, 221 have not hit

                                123, 132, 213, 231, 312, 321 have not hit

          So this might be looking for complete sets whether they are Doubles and/or Triples.

          Just some ideas!!

          wsls

           

           

           

           


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            Posted: November 29, 2005, 12:48 pm - IP Logged

            Why concentrate on a thousand straight combos, when we can narrow it down to a hundred?

            Can Todd come up with a deflater for just the back pairs, involving all the tools that exist, for the exception of just narrowing it down to 00 thru 99..(back pairs). Then whatever numbers it spits out, just put 0 thru 9 in front of them.

            Wouldn't it be easier to track 100 numbers, instead of a thousand? By eliminating the first position, we can take 900 possibile sets of numbers out of the picture:

            For example: If the deflater spits out the number 38, you would just put 0 thru 9 in front of it.

            038

            138

            238

            438

            538

            638

            738

            838

            938

            If there is more than one set like 38, 25, 86, and 54, well then it will cost 40 dollars instead of 10 dollars, like for 38 only. Much better odds.

            One of those numbers ( o thru 9 ) in the first position have to come out, so why even bother with them? Less headache.

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              Posted: November 29, 2005, 12:55 pm - IP Logged

              You guys are really brainstorming here, aren't you?  Hurray!

              Too much for the Lootster's brain--but I like WSLS's expanded instuctions of what the tool would be required to perform.

               

              Keep hammering it out, great minds.  You'll have it up & running in no time Smash 

              L ttaL   T

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                Posted: November 29, 2005, 2:07 pm - IP Logged

                And then.....after getting the results, combine the due straights with positional tracking  and maybe even a digit repeat from last draw ....some kind of weapon!!!!

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                  Posted: November 29, 2005, 2:46 pm - IP Logged

                  Todd,

                    Tell me if I understand the way the Deflate tool works, 1.You input your draws and it tells you how many times a certain combo hit boxed. 2.When you Deflate minus the input draws, it tells you which boxes are missing. When option 2 is used, how does the program know which boxes are missing. Do you have a database of the boxed combos, the program pulls from? If so, why can't the database contain all 1000 combos, then when option 2 is used ( Deflate minus input). Wouldn't that tell you, how many straight combos were missing?

                  Carbob

                  1. Yes

                  2. Yes.  There is a program that generates the combos on the fly -- no need for a database.

                  1000 Straight combos COULD be used, but that's just not the way it's programmed right now.  That may actually be an interesting addition, because that would show you which box combos are especially cold.  I'll keep that feature in mind. 

                  Thanks for the input.

                   

                   

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                    Posted: November 29, 2005, 2:47 pm - IP Logged

                    There are approx. 4000 numbers that haven't hit straight in Md. It was fairly easy to make the list of hits verses non hit numbers.

                    However trying to combine all states hits versus non hits would be huge compared to one tracking just one state.

                    Someone with a complete data base of every state could write a program to sort the data. For each state.

                    I think numbers that hit more often would be more useful than numbers that haven't hit. But I found that certain pairs that hit over a 10 to 20 draw period continue to hit about 3-4 or more times. Some of the hits are from the hit list and some are from the no hit list. On average about 2 - four digit no hit numbers hit 2 times in each of the 10 groups every month.

                    A person with program skills could filter these numbers by tracking the working pairs and making selections using the data of most hit numbers along with non hit numbers. I miss a lot of hits because I can't or don't take the time to recognize the possible numbers to play. Mainly because I don't have a program to sort the data. Or search for the next possible hits that follow the working pairs. I am doing the search using manual search methods by eye.

                     

                    Lottery Post has a database of every state, going back 8-9 years in many cases.  Premium members get full access to that database.

                     

                    Check the State Lottery Report Card
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                      Posted: November 29, 2005, 2:50 pm - IP Logged

                      You guys are really brainstorming here, aren't you?  Hurray!

                      Too much for the Lootster's brain--but I like WSLS's expanded instuctions of what the tool would be required to perform.

                       

                      Keep hammering it out, great minds.  You'll have it up & running in no time Smash 

                      I agree, that helps me understand what you're looking for (wsls).

                       

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                        Posted: November 29, 2005, 3:42 pm - IP Logged

                        Todd I know you have a data base.

                        I was just using MD as a reference. The excel spread sheet for Maryland's complete history of pick 3 and 4 has just passed the 10,000 lines of data point. Multiply that by all the other states complete data and the excel file would be close to a 400,000 lines of data give or take a few thousand lines.

                        As I stated I separated all the pick 4's for MD and made working spread sheets and separated the hits from the no hits.  10 work sheets for the no hits. Every time a number from the no hit list hits I color it in the work book and in a separate column keep track of them.

                        For someone to do a similar task for all states would require a program beyond my capabilities. The data file would be huge.

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                          Posted: November 29, 2005, 9:05 pm - IP Logged

                          To track straight hits on an Individual state basis a 1000 chart could be used.
                          A 10,000 chart for the four game.

                          I am using here a layout from a lottery mag that is no longer in existance.
                          ____last__ttl___last___________________________________________
                          _no__yr__hits_drawn__________________________________________
                          000]_2_]_20_]_11/29/05]____ 100 200 300 400 500 600 700 800 900

                          Last yr___total hits in past 12 months
                          ttl hits____total lifetime hits of that number
                          last drawn___date of last hit

                          That heading would be over each column.

                          Using this layout you can see when that straight position hit last and also your exact pairs and date they hit last.

                          exact pairs in a 1,000 chart would be easy to see as they would go vertically and horizontally.

                          000 100 200 300 400 500 600 700 800 900
                          001 101 201 301 401 501 601 701 801 901
                          002 102 202 302 402 502 602 702 802 902
                          003 103 203 303 403 503 603 703 803 903
                          004 104 204 304 404 504 604 704 804 904
                          005 105 205 305 405 505 605 705 805 905
                          006 106 206 306 406 506 606 706 806 906
                          007 107 207 307 407 507 607 707 807 907
                          008 108 208 308 408 508 608 708 808 908
                          009 109 209 309 409 509 609 709 809 909
                          010 110 210 310 410 510 610 710 810 910
                          011 111 211 311 411 511 611 711 811 911
                          012 112 212 312 412 512 612 712 812 912
                          013 113 213 313 413 513 613 713 813 913
                          014 114 214 314 414 514 614 714 814 914
                          015 115 215 315 415 515 615 715 815 915
                          016 116 216 316 416 516 616 716 816 916
                          017 117 217 317 417 517 617 717 817 917
                          018 118 218 318 418 518 618 718 818 918
                          019 119 219 319 419 519 619 719 819 919
                          020 120 220 320 420 520 620 720 820 920
                          021 121 221 321 421 521 621 721 821 921
                          022 122 222 322 422 522 622 722 822 922
                          023 123 223 323 423 523 623 723 823 923
                          024 124 224 324 424 524 624 724 824 924
                          025 125 225 325 425 525 625 725 825 925
                          026 126 226 326 426 526 626 726 826 926
                          027 127 227 327 427 527 627 727 827 927
                          028 128 228 328 428 528 628 728 828 928
                          029 129 229 329 429 529 629 729 829 929
                          030 130 230 330 430 530 630 730 830 930
                          031 131 231 331 431 531 631 731 831 931
                          032 132 232 332 432 532 632 732 832 932
                          033 133 233 333 433 533 633 733 833 933
                          034 134 234 334 434 534 634 734 834 934
                          035 135 235 335 435 535 635 735 835 935
                          036 136 236 336 436 536 636 736 836 936
                          037 137 237 337 437 537 637 737 837 937
                          038 138 238 338 438 538 638 738 838 938
                          039 139 239 339 439 539 639 739 839 939
                          040 140 240 340 440 540 640 740 840 940
                          041 141 241 341 441 541 641 741 841 941
                          042 142 242 342 442 542 642 742 842 942
                          043 143 243 343 443 543 643 743 843 943
                          044 144 244 344 444 544 644 744 844 944
                          045 145 245 345 445 545 645 745 845 945
                          046 146 246 346 446 546 646 746 846 949
                          047 147 247 347 447 547 647 747 847 947
                          048 148 248 348 448 548 648 748 848 948
                          049 149 249 349 449 549 649 749 849 949
                          050 150 250 350 450 550 650 750 850 950
                          051 151 251 351 451 551 651 751 851 951
                          052 152 252 352 452 552 652 752 852 952
                          053 153 253 353 453 553 653 753 853 953
                          054 154 254 354 454 554 654 754 854 954
                          055 155 255 355 455 555 655 755 855 955
                          056 156 256 356 456 556 656 756 856 956
                          057 157 257 357 457 557 657 757 857 957
                          058 158 258 358 458 558 658 758 858 958
                          059 159 259 359 459 559 659 759 859 959
                          060 160 260 360 460 560 660 760 860 960
                          061 161 261 361 461 561 661 761 861 961
                          062 162 262 362 462 562 662 752 862 962
                          063 163 263 363 463 563 663 763 863 963
                          064 164 264 364 464 564 664 764 864 964
                          065 165 265 365 465 565 665 765 865 965
                          066 166 266 366 466 566 666 766 866 966
                          067 167 267 367 467 567 667 767 867 967
                          068 168 268 368 468 568 668 768 868 968
                          069 169 269 369 469 569 669 769 869 969
                          070 170 270 370 470 570 670 770 870 970
                          071 171 271 371 471 571 671 771 871 971
                          072 172 272 372 472 572 672 772 872 972
                          073 173 273 373 473 573 673 773 873 973
                          074 174 274 374 474 574 674 774 874 974
                          075 175 275 375 475 575 675 775 875 975
                          076 176 276 376 476 576 676 776 876 976
                          077 177 277 377 477 577 677 777 877 977
                          078 178 278 378 478 578 678 778 878 978
                          079 179 279 379 479 579 679 779 879 979
                          080 180 280 380 480 580 680 780 880 980
                          081 181 281 381 481 581 681 781 881 981
                          082 182 282 382 482 582 682 782 882 982
                          083 183 283 383 483 583 683 783 883 983
                          084 184 284 384 484 584 684 784 884 984
                          085 185 285 385 485 585 685 785 885 985
                          086 186 286 386 486 586 686 786 886 986
                          087 187 287 387 487 587 687 787 887 987
                          088 188 288 388 488 588 688 788 888 988
                          089 189 289 389 489 589 689 789 889 989
                          090 190 290 390 490 590 690 790 890 990
                          091 191 291 391 491 591 691 791 891 991
                          092 192 292 392 492 592 692 792 892 992
                          093 193 293 393 493 593 693 793 893 993
                          094 194 294 394 494 594 694 794 894 994
                          095 195 295 395 496 595 695 795 895 995
                          096 196 296 396 496 596 696 796 896 996
                          097 197 297 397 497 597 697 797 897 997
                          098 198 298 398 498 598 698 798 898 998
                          099 199 299 399 499 599 699 799 899 999

                           

                          WHATT

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                            Posted: November 29, 2005, 9:10 pm - IP Logged

                            To deflate the exact numbers in all states draws there looks like there may need to be a limitation on the amount of past draws to deflate.

                            maybe up to 1500 all states past draws in the three game.

                            WHATT