Welcome Guest
You last visited June 27, 2017, 1:10 am
All times shown are
Eastern Time (GMT-5:00)

STOP that noise !!

Topic closed. 25 replies. Last post 11 years ago by Raven62.

 Page 1 of 2

United States
Member #21574
September 11, 2005
138 Posts
Offline
 Posted: February 24, 2006, 5:08 pm - IP Logged

All this noise about odds/ratios is driving me nuts !!!

It is time you children go BACK to school and learn your math...for the FIRST time:

56!
--------- * 46 = 175,711,536:1  (5+1)  Jackpot
5!(56-5)!

56!
----------- * 46 / (46-1) = 3,904,701:1  >>>is<<<  2nd prize odds (5+0)
5!(56-5)!

56!
----------- = 3,819,816:1                  >>>is NOT<<<  2nd prize (5+0)
5!(56-5)!

HOWEVER, 3,819,816 is a NECESSARY CONSTANT used to calculate odds in ALL subsequent prize levels:

3,819,816
-------------- * 46 = 689,065:1    (4+1)
(5*51)

and,

3,819,816
-------------- * 46/(46-1) = 15,313:1  (4+0)
(5*51)

and,

3,819,816
-------------------------------------- * 46 = 13,781:1    (3+1)
((5*4*3)/(3*2))*((51*50)/(2))

and,

3,819,816
-------------------------------------- * 46/(46-1) = 306:1  (3+0)
((5*4*3)/(3*2))*((51*50)/(2))

and,

3,819,816
---------------------------------------- * 46 = 844:1    (2+1)
((5*4)/(2))*((51*50*49)/(3*2))

and,

3,819,816
------------------------------------- * 46 = 141:1  (1+1)
5*((51*50*49*48)/(4*3*2))

and,

3,819,816
------------------------------------------ * 46 = 75:1  (0+1)
((51*50*49*48*47)/(5*4*3*2))

Now for the last time:  You fools heck bent on spending \$46 to win \$2 your odds are 75:1 and NOT 46:1

Why you ask ?  because you still have to PLAY and MISS ALL 5 white balls !!!

and,

Do your odds reduce by 1/2 when you play 2 lines instead of just 1 ???

YES: 175,711,536:1  becomes  87,855,768:1

and,

HOW do you further reduce the odds DOWN to 2:1  ???

You have to spend \$87,855,768 and not one penny more or less !!!

Go knock yourselfs OUT !!! PLEASE

Atlantic Mine, Michigan
United States
Member #416
June 23, 2002
1614 Posts
Offline
 Posted: February 24, 2006, 5:11 pm - IP Logged

Thank you guess what!

United States
Member #91
January 19, 2002
12354 Posts
Offline
 Posted: February 24, 2006, 5:25 pm - IP Logged

Hey lets do percentages now !!!!!

United States
Member #26882
November 23, 2005
1404 Posts
Offline
 Posted: February 24, 2006, 5:25 pm - IP Logged

Thanks Guesswhat!

I always hated math one of my worst subjects the only good math for me was when someone else did it! One would wonder why I see numbers! LOL!
Poway CA (San Diego County)
United States
Member #3489
January 25, 2004
14120 Posts
Offline
 Posted: February 24, 2006, 6:20 pm - IP Logged

So, if Mega Millions was played where they had ALL the tickets in a big drug and you had to go into a big store and pick the ticket out.....

I go in (I'm the first one!!) and I ask the guy what are the odds of me winning?  He say, "There are 175,711,536 tickets in the drum so your odds are 175,711,536:1."  So, I pay the \$1 and pick out my ticket (1-2-3-4-5-6).  I go over and look at some of the pictures on the wall.  Another gentleman comes in and goes up to the keeper of the drum and asks what the odd of him winning are and he is told that one of the tickets has already been sold, so his odds are 175,711,535:1.

He says that he is going to have to think about it and he joins me near the wall.  I go back to the big drum, which has 175,711,535 tickets in it and I tell the man I would like to purchase another ticket.  He takes my \$1 and I pull out another ticket (1-2-3-4-5-7).  I thank him and start for the door.  I turn around and look at the man standing next to the big drum with now 175,711,534 tickets in it and I ask him, "What are my odd of hitting now?"

You're telling me that the man standing next to the drum with 175,711,534 tickets in it looking at me with my 2 tickets in my hand would tell me, "Your odds of winning now are 87,855,768 to 1."?

Hard for me to grasp.

United States
Member #21574
September 11, 2005
138 Posts
Offline
 Posted: February 24, 2006, 6:31 pm - IP Logged

What you FAIL to grasp is the fact that the odds against YOU are NOT affected by what others do.  You are NOT pulling UNIQUE rabbits out of a hat.

In the real world of MM; ANYONE (and you) can (and sometimes do) choose identical (a.k.a. DUPLICATE) selections...
Hence, MULTIPLE winners EACH facing identical odds.

Now, wash your hands...and try to GRASP that.

United States
Member #21574
September 11, 2005
138 Posts
Offline
 Posted: February 24, 2006, 6:36 pm - IP Logged

Did I see U.S.N retired ?

I hope you did not steer the ship...all those different degrees on the compass...

Poway CA (San Diego County)
United States
Member #3489
January 25, 2004
14120 Posts
Offline
 Posted: February 24, 2006, 6:41 pm - IP Logged

What you FAIL to grasp is the fact that the odds against YOU are NOT affected by what others do.  You are NOT pulling UNIQUE rabbits out of a hat.

In the real world of MM; ANYONE (and you) can (and sometimes do) choose identical (a.k.a. DUPLICATE) selections...
Hence, MULTIPLE winners EACH facing identical odds.

Now, wash your hands...and try to GRASP that.

We are not talking about duplicate numbers.

United States
Member #26882
November 23, 2005
1404 Posts
Offline
 Posted: February 24, 2006, 6:46 pm - IP Logged

What you FAIL to grasp is the fact that the odds against YOU are NOT affected by what others do.  You are NOT pulling UNIQUE rabbits out of a hat.

In the real world of MM; ANYONE (and you) can (and sometimes do) choose identical (a.k.a. DUPLICATE) selections...
Hence, MULTIPLE winners EACH facing identical odds.

Now, wash your hands...and try to GRASP that.

We are not talking about duplicate numbers.

I think they are saying that 2 people can pick the same set of numbers.......duplicate tickets duplicate numbers.

For instance I go to the store and get a ticket with  1 2 3 4 5 6 and then you come behind me and pick the same numbers on your ticket  and then 1 2 3 4 5 6 comes up that night....we both win because we have duplicate ticket numbers hence we both win with the same odds of winning. Correct me if I am wrong?

United States
Member #21574
September 11, 2005
138 Posts
Offline
 Posted: February 24, 2006, 6:49 pm - IP Logged

You are not talking about MM or PB because there is nothing to prevent duplicate selections EACH facing the SAME ODDS !!!

But hey, try it your way...I appreciate your COMPOUNDING donations to the accelerating rollover !!!

United States
Member #21574
September 11, 2005
138 Posts
Offline
 Posted: February 24, 2006, 6:51 pm - IP Logged

Clairvoyance,

You are correct sir !!!

Michigan
United States
Member #22395
September 24, 2005
1583 Posts
Offline
 Posted: February 24, 2006, 6:52 pm - IP Logged

I don't think anyone considered duplicates or what other people do regarding playing in the same pool.

So, another play on that drum of CDs.   He goes and picks out a ticket and stands by the wall.   The other guy is his partner and asks what his odds are, CD says 175,711,535 to 1.

So that guy goes and picks his ticket. He comes back and CD asks what his odds are. He says: 87,855,768 to 1 because I got the 2nd ticket!

Forgetting everything else...CD shouldn't have to pay for a ticket with such high odds! The other guy got a terrific bargain for the same \$1

Charlotte NC
United States
Member #17406
June 18, 2005
4055 Posts
Offline
 Posted: February 24, 2006, 6:54 pm - IP Logged

Actually lottery math is very simple-  you just add and substract one digit at the time.  You don't even have to do the mirror if you do the proper rundown, it will mirror itself on the 5th down and the actual number will return back to itself.

takeemtothebank

United States
Member #21574
September 11, 2005
138 Posts
Offline
 Posted: February 24, 2006, 6:55 pm - IP Logged

Well said "true"; Consider the value in risking \$1 (just to be IN it) and walk away with \$212m ?

Now that's a bargain !!!

Sparta, NJ
United States
Member #18331
July 9, 2005
1977 Posts
Offline
 Posted: February 24, 2006, 7:08 pm - IP Logged

And the people who won the Powerball gave a damn about the odds?  I don't even think they knew what the odds were.  Odds are useless.  The guy bitten by the shark doesn't care about the odds against that happening! When I win the MM tonight, my not knowing the odds will not have mattered.  You are lucky, or you are not!  Plunk down you five dollars, put it under the newspaper, and look at when you hear there was a winner at the store you bought you tickets from. Odds?  Same impact as passing gas in the in Grand Canyon.  The guy five miles away couldn't care less.  If the odds were a zillion-to-one, and you were the one, the odds meant nothing.

|||::> *'`*:-.,_,.-:*''*:--->>> Chewie  <<<---.*''*:-.,_,.-:*''* <:::|||

I only trust myself - and that's a questionable choice

 Page 1 of 2