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guys is it legal to create a lotto better than the state lottery?I think is against the law to create a private lottery. What you think. I will apreciate the opinions.


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    I dont know but the way to get more customers would be to offer a pick 3/4 game that is easier to win than the state's lotteries.  They make players choose from 10 different digits in pick 3/4 lotteries, thats ridiculous.  If you made a pick 3/4 lottery that the player only had to choose from  9 digits, that would get WAY more people playing your lottery.  The games would be much more fair if they were not so difficult for the average person to win.  They would still make a fortune. 

       And your lottery should definately pay more than the state lotteries, at least 900 to 1.  Any lottery that pays less than 900 to 1 will never make it now because online players are spoiled now they expect that 900 to 1 payout.  The states only pay 500 to 1 mostly, nobody wants that anymore.  I wish more online lottery casinos would start up, the more the better.  That means they have to compete for customers and payouts will go even higher. 

      Betslips is in the USA  I think so it must be legal!

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      i can play 40 numbers on betslips where i use to play 20 when i played in the regular state lottery.plus i don't have a bunch of paper bets to keep up with.plus no more running to the store at the last minute when i feel like crap.instead i can lift my head off the pillow hit a few buttons and get my nap out......

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        guys is it legal to create a lotto better than the state lottery?I think is against the law to create a private lottery. What you think. I will apreciate the opinions.


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        "Private" lotteries are illegal for U.S. citizens to run or participate in.

        For that matter, so are private first class mail carriers. 

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           It would be legal I think if you moved it offshore to another country.  You can base the headquarters overseas and bypass that law if I'm not mistaken.  I thought Betslips was in the USA anybody know?  You would have to get some legal advice it wouldnt be cheap.  And you need some startup money and other people to go into business with you. 

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            yeah me too, i wish casino would start up on this. Like they could have one that plays every night. But you see, i don't think is "healthy" (for lack of a better word) for casinos to create a pick 3/4 game that will play every so many minutes or so many hours....Unless is like a pick7 from 1 to 25... For example, if they created a pick3/4 that pays better than state lotto, and make it draw numbers every 5 minutes it will be a real sucker and there wouldn't be but a handful of winners. That's why i believe that if you created a pick3/4 it should create "at least" 20% winners out of a 100 players...I feel you have to carefully set the odds so you can let the game create that percentage....If they start a pick3/4 or any game they should give players "enough time" to study the game, make intelligent bets, and perhaps wheel their numbers if the choose to do so...They should give players at least 2 hours to sort of "react" and make their "intelligent"bets...If it was me, i will go with those free online lotteries first (sort of like a testing ground and this way i can choose particular lotto configurations). The ones that you don't have to pay but you view ads and if it succeeds and prosper then i will start introducing them in the casinos....


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              Posted: May 13, 2006, 7:13 am - IP Logged

              you are right Brett it will be sort of like a venture...

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                If you got a pick 3/4 lottery that pays a fair payout with fair odds, you only have to have 1 draw per day.  Theres a fortune to be made because people are no longer satisfied playing the state lotteries for low payouts and as I said those lotteries are too hard for most people to win.  If people could actually win more often they would be even more willing to play more often. 

                   The secret is to make a pick 3/4 lottery that is EASIER to win than the state lotteries or Increase the payouts above 900 to 1 which is the highest that is offered now.  Why the heck does every single lottery make players choose from 10 digits, thats stupid.  I would think at least one lottery would make it more fair and give the player a bone and only make them choose from 9 digits.  That makes the game just a Little bit easier to win and that will make every player in the country flock to play at your online lottery casino.  You have to have something better to offer than the other online lottery casinos. 

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                  if you only choose from 9 numbers thats leaving one number out.i'm assuming you mean for example to leave the zero out and make it 1-9.i would like that too but the pick 3 is based on 999 numbers.......

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                      Yes it would either be a pick 3/4 lottery that is run by a private casino that is not based on any of the States lottery results.  Or they could just discount combinations that have the digit 0 in them , and the player can get credit for the next draw until a combination is drawn that doesn't contain  that 0 digit. 

                      It would need some fine tuning.  The old odds would be changed.  The casino owners would still make an absolute killing because most people will still lose.  But if they think the odds are better, they will never go back to playing a 10 digit pick 3/4 game.  I mean the odds at blackjack are WAY better for the player compared to pick 3/4 lottery.  So if casinos can offer blackjack  and still make a profit,  then they should still make a huge profit with a Pick 3/4 lottery that is easier for the average player to win. 

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                      I dont know but the way to get more customers would be to offer a pick 3/4 game that is easier to win than the state's lotteries.  They make players choose from 10 different digits in pick 3/4 lotteries, thats ridiculous.  If you made a pick 3/4 lottery that the player only had to choose from  9 digits, that would get WAY more people playing your lottery.  The games would be much more fair if they were not so difficult for the average person to win.  They would still make a fortune. 

                         And your lottery should definately pay more than the state lotteries, at least 900 to 1.  Any lottery that pays less than 900 to 1 will never make it now because online players are spoiled now they expect that 900 to 1 payout.  The states only pay 500 to 1 mostly, nobody wants that anymore.  I wish more online lottery casinos would start up, the more the better.  That means they have to compete for customers and payouts will go even higher. 

                        Betslips is in the USA  I think so it must be legal!

                      If the 0 is eliminated the odds would be 1:729 instead of 1:1000 for pick 3. It would be a loosing propostion to offer $900 as a payout. A 90% payout would be $656 for a game without a zero.

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                        guys is it legal to create a lotto better than the state lottery?I think is against the law to create a private lottery. What you think. I will apreciate the opinions.


                        pumpi76

                        Lotteries are illegal by Federal law.  States to have a lottery have to amend their own constitutions or pass legislation to enable them to have a STATE lottery.  Any private lottery is illegal.

                         

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                          The Pick 3 itself is almost an exact copy of the old "numbers" game, the states copied that from AHEM guys like AHEM Tony Soprano, who had copied it from the ghettos.

                           And yeah, it's illegal to create your own.

                           

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                            Guys i said: "They should give players at least 2 hours to sort of "react" and make their "intelligent"bets" well i meant that they should give at least 2 hours time for pick3, pick4 and pick2, for regular pick5, pick6, pick7, pick8, pick4  1-35/39 they should give at least 6 hours. at least...

                             

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                              guys is it legal to create a lotto better than the state lottery?I think is against the law to create a private lottery. What you think. I will apreciate the opinions.


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                              Lotteries are illegal by Federal law.  States to have a lottery have to amend their own constitutions or pass legislation to enable them to have a STATE lottery.  Any private lottery is illegal.

                               

                              The tribes evidently believe it's illegal for them to operate lotteries on tribal lands.  One tribe gave some thought to trying a tribal owned offshore operation similar to what some one suggested on the thread.  They concluded it would be a good path into a Federal correctional institution, even when done under the illusion of tribal sovereignty, which was the tunnel tribal casinos crawled through to come into being.

                              Evidently tribal sovereignty is only a able to violate state criminal codes and certain Federal ones, but not others.  But definitely no Federal ones involving an on-line lottery operation headquartered in an off-shore environment.

                              If the tribes don't think they can do it and get by with it, those of us who enjoy less privilege and ambiguity as to our rights needn't give the matter a lot of thought.

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