|Posted: August 27, 2006, 5:02 pm - IP Logged|
I just thought I'd post a comment here, and then I'll leave this thread up to the rest of you. Every time I mention a peep on the forums these days a small segment of the membership takes a hyper fit, so I'll try to keep my statements factual, and I will not be responding to any emotional hyperbole.
- As the thread grew longer, I was a avid reader of it. Everything still OK.
- I began to see references to a "private" version of the tool that ordinary users did not have access to, so I sent Stephan a PM asking him about it.
- Stephan replied that there was indeed a private version, and that he was going to be adding a commercial version of the software with features that only a paying member of the site would have access to.
- That is certainly his right, but I explained that it is not his right to use Lottery Post in that manner. Therefore, I informed him that he could not post additional links to his site.
- Stephan must look upon my not allowing additional links as some kind of affront. I have not dis-allowed discussion about his web page, I have only dis-allowed future links to the web page, just like I dis-allow links to any commercial application. This is exactly the same chain of events that led Mike K to leave Lottery Post. He refused to post anything here unless he could also post a link.
- Based on the confusing signals I am getting from Stephan, I am leaving the other post locked, and anyone is free to start another thread, so long as it is not a blatant advertisement with stuff like "spectacular" in the title. This is the same thing that would happen if someone posted a topic titled, "Incredible and Spectacular Gail Howard System!" If "Gail Howard" were a free hobbyist site, I guess I could live with the title. But because "Gail Howard" is a commercial web site, that is a marketing slogan, and considered advertising.
I have done my best to explain clearly my role, what happened, and what is acceptable. I will answer reasonable questions and issues. Anger and vitriol will be ignored.
Point 1 : I agree 100%
Point 2 : OK
Point 3 : True. I released a private version (password protected) to all thread-users for free : see anouncement in the thread : http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/1370489 . I also responded to Todd's wories via PM. Here's the message :
"I have provided a free tool with a very shallow learning curve. I am giving away (for free) an updated version of my tool to anyone who joins the discussion. That upgraded version has a steeper learning curve, but not for those who already got used to the basic version. I have also invited "lurkers" to join lotterypost. If they join the discussion, they get the updated version for free as well. I am not selling the "updated version". If you want access to it, please let me know." I further explained to Todd my future plans : "Maybe I'll add some ads in the future, maybe not. Maybe I add something for sale, maybe not."
Todd made clear to me that he didn't like me building up a membership-list, even when that membership would be free. I understood his point for the full 100% and decided to release the updated version to anyone visting lotterypost. So I announced the release on this page : http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/137048/28 . Later in the thread, I gave away yet another free upgrade (the 3rd one : http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/137048/36 ).
Point 4, 5 and 6 : I understand that Todd has to deal with many issues on LP. I understand that. But his recollection of what I mailed exactly to him was not exactly that... Here's my PM to Todd : "I have a question Todd. I haven't decided anything yet, but if (only if) I would release a "commercial upgrade" of pick3stats , then how can we come up with a good compromise on this." So I understood Todd quite clearly (paying for advertising was acceptable for me if - and only if - I would decide to add some commercial content). Except for the fact that Todd refused instantly. He also explained to me that I was not allowed to post links to a "free portion" of a web site if the other part of the site contains paid content/functionality and that he was sorry to say that there is really nothing to negotiate or work out. I accepted that. My site is still 100 % free today.
Point 7. That's very clear. But like I said, my site is still 100% free. And what's free today will remain free.
Point 8. I am a bit surprised that you didn't told me earlier. At least I know the reason now why the thread has been blocked.
Todd, I understand how difficult it is to run your site. I also understand that someone needs to draw a line somewhere. But I don't believe I have crossed that line. I tried my very best to share something for free here. I think I did. But I am going to do my own thing now. I wish you all the best with your site.