Senate Majority Leader Frist seeks to add Internet gambling ban to defense bill, sources say
Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist is trying use a bill authorizing U.S. military operations, including in Iraq and Afghanistan, to prohibit people from using credit cards to settle Internet gambling debts.
Frist, R-Tenn., and his aides have been meeting with other lawmakers and officials in both the House and Senate to get the measure attached to a compromise Defense Department authorization bill, according to a Senate GOP leadership aide.
The House passed a version of the Internet gambling measure in July, but the Senate has taken no action on similar legislation. Neither of the defense bills passed by the House and Senate mention it.
Frist is pushing for an approach that isn't quite as sweeping as the House measure, said the leadership aide and lobbyists following the issue. All spoke on condition of anonymity because of the ongoing negotiations.
Frist, eyeing a 2008 presidential bid, recently discussed the online gambling measure in the politically important state of Iowa. He also called it a legislative priority in a recent speech on the Senate floor.
The measure's supporters include the National Football League as well as conservative and antigambling groups. Some banking groups are lobbying against it.
Federal officials have made recent arrests involving offshore companies operating Internet gambling sites. The Internet gambling industry is headquartered almost entirely outside the United States although many of its customers live in the U.S.
The bills authorizing defense programs are: S.2507 and H.R.5122.
Quote: Originally posted by Just6ntlc on Sep 14, 2006
This is a great story Todd. I hope the Internet gambling gets banned soon.
you don't have a clue.do you even know what your talking about? chances are you don't.so just6ntlc give us the reason you are so against it.i'm listening.....
this could actually work out better in the long run if we let him put in the laws about the credit card.i think he knows the real internet gambling bill won't pass so he is looking to pass something even if it is small so he can pacify the ones who are looking to outlaw the whole thing.he might win the battle but he will lose the war on this....
Quote: Originally posted by LOTTOMIKE on Sep 14, 2006
frist is the one on the left.
Thanks Jorli D and Lottomike. I would have guessed that - being that he is in the foreground and doing the expressing. If this bill is piggybacked on the defense bill our asses are grass. Not only with this but with things to come.
To save my life I can't get a handle on the real reason for the ban other than maxing credit cards which are unsecured and walking away OR being unable to effectively collect taxes on winnings OR profits being used to fund terrorism or organized crime.
News report out of National Journal (a political publication following Hill action)
"According to an aide, Frist has decided to push for a truncated version of the House bill that would bar banks and credit card companies from processing payments for online bets and make it a crime for a gambling business to accept credit cards, wire transfers or any other bank instrument to process payments for illegal gaming transactions."
This is obviously broader than we had originally hoped and not good news. Still trying to get actual language being floated, but no luck yet.
Also read there is a 1961 (believe that's the year) ban on gambling across state lines they're hoping to get clarified by this legislation.
On the bright side once clarified and put into place perhaps online ticket purchases within state will become possible. Georgia has such a proposal but has been tabled for a couple of years.
Quote: Originally posted by konane on Sep 14, 2006
To save my life I can't get a handle on the real reason for the ban other than maxing credit cards which are unsecured and walking away OR being unable to effectively collect taxes on winnings OR profits being used to fund terrorism or organized crime.
Konane wrote:
"To save my life I can't get a handle on the real reason for the ban other than maxing credit cards which are unsecured and walking away OR being unable to effectively collect taxes on winnings OR profits being used to fund terrorism or organized crime."
My guess is the fact they are getting nothing out of it. Name one other aspect of your life that these losers don't have their grubby little hands held out getting something out of it too...
They don't care if it is right or wrong, (the porn industry comes to mind) they just want to control the whole situation so they get some money out of the deal, and a large portion at that. If you don't cut the government in, you won't be doing whatever you are doing very long, and that is a fact...and it doesn't matter which party is in office. They are all the same. Which way would you rather go, trampled by an elephant or kicked in the head by a jackass? It's all the same. Either way, it is going to hurt...
The whole damn bunch (and I mean all of them) needs to be locked in the Superdome together and left to fend for themselves for a week or two...
Frist would sell his mother on a street corner in Harlem if he thought it would get him the presidential nod from the Republican Party. I'd be willing to bet the credit card lobby is not in his corner on this one. The only reason he is doing this is to build street credit with the religious right. He is not a die hard anti abortionist, so he has to attach himself to Jerry Falwell's hind tit somehow.
If your bill can not go thru on its own attach it to a priority bill.
Kid in a market.
Maa can I get that candy bar. Ma says no. Kid puts the candy bar on counter when checking out. Ma can not buy the other groceries unless the candy bar goes with the rest.
Moral of story.
Politicans are a bunch of blatt a$$e$ when they can not get their own way.
If Frigits is on the ballot at presidential election time watch out.
JAP 69 is right.when its all said and done this bastard is going to get this passed one way or the other.look for a bill to be voted on by the middle of next week.by next friday or so you might no longer have internet gambling as an option for all americans to enjoy.good night all..........
This reminds me of the case of Ralph Reed - the "religious right" leader - who "opposed" gambling casinos because he was being paid by the convicted felon Jack Abrahamoff who was a lobbyist for Indian casinos. It turns out that Reed's "opposition" to gambling was really a front for trying to keep the Indian casinos from facing competition. There were no moral issues. It was all about being paid off.
The bribery checks were flying fast and furious. Let's be sure that Frist doesn't do anything for his country. Everything he does is because someone is paying him off.
The United States has never seen the level of corruption it is seeing now. We think we're invincible, but because of this kind of person, we are quite nearly bankrupt.
If I win the lottery I'm taking my money and investing it in overseas securities, as quickly as is possible. Then I'm going to try to get my family out of the country before my kids are sent off to die for Halliburton.
Here in Florida, state house seat pays $35,000. a year for two years, candiate puts up $85,000. of his own money toward over $200,000. campain fund to win it. Can anyone explain the math? BobP
Last night on Nightline there was a segment about internet gambling. It seems to boil down to due to racketeering laws passed against gambling across state lines, companies doing business offshore are not registered in the US to conduct business because it's illegal, therefore not collecting/paying taxes, either corporate or personal.
Coupled with banking pushing for this law, makes sense and is logical although many don't like it.
my child saw this when i was looking at a story on internet gamblin.i already have an intense dislike for this bastard and then i see him attack elmo.that didn't help matters....
According to CongressDailyAM, one of the publications staff, members, and lobbyists read every morning on Capitol Hill, negotiations on the DoD Authorization conference report are still underway.
The leaders of the two committees failed to wrap up conference negotiations on the defense authorization bill Thursday, as members had initially intended. House Armed Services Tactical Air and Land Subcommittee Chairman Curt Weldon, R-Pa., said members still have to complete work on a handful of issues and would not file the conference report until next week.
Since members go out of town on weekends to return to their districts & campaign, it seems to me that failure to complete the report Thursday night means it will now be completed no earlier than Monday night, and probably maybe even a little later than that. Staff will probably work through the weekend on it, but they are not making the high-profile decisions on outstanding items that members can make. Staff might be negotiating the gambling language, but only members can ultimately decide whether it gets inserted or not. Members won't be back in DC until Monday evening -- that's the general trend, anyhow.
So, what's the impact for Internet gambling?
Well, every day that goes by that the conference report remains "open" is another day that Frist & Co will have time to try to insert the Leach bill. In that sense, delay is a bad thing. It seems clear to me that the DoD Authorization has sufficient momentum to pass, and that it will get a very brief amount of floor time needed to get through. The only question is what goes into the bill, if anything.
Here are some things you need to know about Conference reports:
1.) Conference reports are not amendable, and that there is no comment period or whatever. The conferees and leadership decide what to put in them, whether it is germane or not, and put it in. Then they file the report and can have a vote on it within hours of filing.
2.) Conference reports CAN be held just like normal bills. I'll repeat that for emphasis. Holds CAN be lodged on these conference reports. That said, Senators are usually much more reluctant to hold a conference report than they are a regular bill -- all the more so when the main part of that report deals with the military, pay raises for troops, and national security. On top of that, Leadership is MUCH more prone to use tools to overcome holds on major conference reports, meaning that even if people put holds down, leadership in the Senate could probably beat those holds by filing for and attaining 60 votes on a cloture petition. Cloture is time consuming, but necessary in these cases.
3.) People are probably not going to have the chance to preview the language... it will be negotiated until the dying end between a select few staffers and members, plus well connected lobbyists. You can try to call the relevant Senators/Congressman's offices to ask, but I'll bet a ton you won't get anywhere with such requests... still, from a pressure standpoint it wouldn't be a bad idea to blitz those offices with requests.
4.) I spoke with staff for two of the west coast members who are conferees, and they have indicated to me that efforts are alive and well to attach not only the Internet gambling provisions, but also an abortion bill as well (has to do with transporting minors across state lines) to the DoD Authorization conference report. Apparently the word among staff is that the Armed Services Committees on both sides of the Hill are 100% objecting to including any extraneous subject matter. Now, how much of that is posturing and how much is a real objection is anyone's guess. Plus, the Armed Services guys could EASILY get rolled by leadership and get forced to include either or both of those extraneous bills. Nonetheless, those opposing the bill should be heartened to hear this.
5.) Contacts suggested to me that the conference report will likely be wrapped up Monday or Tuesday, and voted on in the House 24 hours after that. At about that time, the content of the report would become publicly available on the House Rules Committee's website. That will be our first look at the language, unless Berge or ChrisAJ or some other insider succeeds in getting it before then. The House is expected to pass the bill no matter what it includes, since the House is rather authoritarian in its procedural rules, and there are no holds or other mechanisms to block things from moving. From there, the bill would move to the Senate, where a number of things could happen. I will not speculate on what would happen in the Senate at this point, as I don't think we know enough to make an intelligent guess.
6.) The substance of what I now understand to be Frist's proposal would be a significant setback for online gambling, as I think it would kill IGMPay transfers, and may also block Neteller and FirePay type devices. Not to be alarmist, but you all need to be very concerned about the impact that proposal would have on the poker economy -- if I understand it correctly. More details to come, and obviously I reserve final judgment until I see the language that gets included, IF any language is in fact attacked.
Look for some news updates later today and through the weekend -- but the rubber will really meet the road during the 36 hour period between Monday at noon and Tuesday night.
Quote: Originally posted by Prob988 on Sep 14, 2006
This reminds me of the case of Ralph Reed - the "religious right" leader - who "opposed" gambling casinos because he was being paid by the convicted felon Jack Abrahamoff who was a lobbyist for Indian casinos. It turns out that Reed's "opposition" to gambling was really a front for trying to keep the Indian casinos from facing competition. There were no moral issues. It was all about being paid off.
The bribery checks were flying fast and furious. Let's be sure that Frist doesn't do anything for his country. Everything he does is because someone is paying him off.
The United States has never seen the level of corruption it is seeing now. We think we're invincible, but because of this kind of person, we are quite nearly bankrupt.
If I win the lottery I'm taking my money and investing it in overseas securities, as quickly as is possible. Then I'm going to try to get my family out of the country before my kids are sent off to die for Halliburton.
How true...very well said. Time to get the Charmin Ultra Double Rolls out and wipe the fecal matter away and flush the whole mess down the toilet.
this frist guy is a complete idiot.whats does military operations have to do with internet gambling?
i've read on the internet where various senators were pissed and don't want this attached to the bill.do you think this frist idiot cares.hell no he doesn't.i think he would sell his mother to get something passed against internet gambling.he's got it that bad.pretty bad when you can't pass a bill normally.he has stooped down to backdoor tactics and using the military. his fanbase is a bunch of religious rich uptight conservative morons who want to see the world peachy clear.i'll vote for a guilianai or mccain but even though frist is from my state i don't feel any kinship whatsoever and would never vote him in as president.my seventy eight year old neighbor might but i wouldn't.i don't like the fact that laws are being passed by these morons and they are trying to overide the senate or try cutthroat tactics so i'll have my rights invaded or have them taken from me.tap somebody elses phones and take away their god given rights to do what they want in their homes all in the name of terrorism.pardon me but some of us americans know thats B.S.
Quote: Originally posted by LOTTOMIKE on Sep 16, 2006
this frist guy is a complete idiot.whats does military operations have to do with internet gambling?
i've read on the internet where various senators were pissed and don't want this attached to the bill.do you think this frist idiot cares.hell no he doesn't.i think he would sell his mother to get something passed against internet gambling.he's got it that bad.pretty bad when you can't pass a bill normally.he has stooped down to backdoor tactics and using the military. his fanbase is a bunch of religious rich uptight conservative morons who want to see the world peachy clear.i'll vote for a guilianai or mccain but even though frist is from my state i don't feel any kinship whatsoever and would never vote him in as president.my seventy eight year old neighbor might but i wouldn't.i don't like the fact that laws are being passed by these morons and they are trying to overide the senate or try cutthroat tactics so i'll have my rights invaded or have them taken from me.tap somebody elses phones and take away their god given rights to do what they want in their homes all in the name of terrorism.pardon me but some of us americans know thats B.S.
this frist guy is a complete idiot.whats does military operations have to do with internet gambling?"
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It has nothing to do with it .... but I've been incensed many times in the past when stupid legislation and pork Democrats stealthily attached to other bills and voted on in the middle of the night have become law. So if it passes I suppose people are going to have to adapt. That's the way Washington works like it or not.
Quote: Originally posted by konane on Sep 16, 2006
this frist guy is a complete idiot.whats does military operations have to do with internet gambling?"
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It has nothing to do with it .... but I've been incensed many times in the past when stupid legislation and pork Democrats stealthily attached to other bills and voted on in the middle of the night have become law. So if it passes I suppose people are going to have to adapt. That's the way Washington works like it or not.
Quote: Originally posted by LOTTOMIKE on Sep 14, 2006
JAP 69 is right.when its all said and done this bastard is going to get this passed one way or the other.look for a bill to be voted on by the middle of next week.by next friday or so you might no longer have internet gambling as an option for all americans to enjoy.good night all..........
I signed up to betslips and without a problem, the only thing I need is a job to fill the account lol...well, don't know bout you guys but you can continue to complain about an issue that has nothing to do with you making money now, or you can just continue to have fun playing the lottery online...it seems that alot more people then I thought chose the 1st option instead.
Oh well, have fun waiting on the outlook of this ridiculous case
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There are so many "Joy Killers", I guess that they don't have anything better to do, I hope that in the end it goes the way of "PROHIBITION" and music downloading (Napster).
I hope that those laws are impossible to enforce.
There is nothing wrong with gambling it is a nice clean past-time, it has nothing to do with sex, drugs, violence, terror nor war, Well, as far as I know any-way, but I might be wrong.
If there was something wrong with playing the lottery, Would there be state and country lotteries?
It seems like a safe, nice, clean thing to do.
Don't again ever vote for any of the "Joy Killers" run or throw them out of the House and the Senate.
Say yes to " Gambling Freedom" play the lottery anywhere and anytime, it is our FREEDOM right!
Vote those people out of the government and or just don't vote for anybody like them ever again.
Quote: Originally posted by konane on Sep 16, 2006
We need to have a coast to coast pork roasting ............. I'll get the charcoal and someone else do the sauces!!
Amen...I have a great bar-b-que sauce for pork. And it doesn't include politicians as an ingredient (although the roasting might eliminate that bitter taste).
Quote: Originally posted by Rick G on Sep 16, 2006
Amen...I have a great bar-b-que sauce for pork. And it doesn't include politicians as an ingredient (although the roasting might eliminate that bitter taste).
Finally, something we can all agree on!
Just the pork they hand out like it's free ...... not the politicians. Send them home back to the real world.
Here's the Nightline segment about internet gambling I saw the other night. They implied it's all about doing business and not paying taxes, likely withholding US taxes and paying up like state lotteries do.
UPDATED: The Most Successful Online Gambling Web Site
They should be working on getting rid of the porn sites and looking for pedophiles which in my opinion is far worse than my little 25 cent bet. Let's vote these MF's out. (Pardon my French)
Quote: Originally posted by konane on Sep 16, 2006
Just the pork they hand out like it's free ...... not the politicians. Send them home back to the real world.
Here's the Nightline segment about internet gambling I saw the other night. They implied it's all about doing business and not paying taxes, likely withholding US taxes and paying up like state lotteries do.
UPDATED: The Most Successful Online Gambling Web Site
Konane, once again a good argument for the Fair Tax Act.
If you win money with these gambling entities, it will be taxed when you spend that money. Makes a helluva lot of sense to me.
What is the confusion with this concept? I'm a "poor" person and I don't spend much money because I don't make much money so any argument saying this is going to hurt poor people is specious. If you buy a Leer jet to transport yourself you will be paying a proportionate amount of taxes as a person buying a 10 year-old car.
The only people arguing it are those who make more money but pay less taxes than we do on April 15th. Party affiliation is not an issue...it's an issue of hidden wealth and they all have it on both sides of the aisle.
But you wouldn't be able to hide a Lexus SUV purchase or write it off for business use, would you?
Couldn't agree with you more, Rick. The ones doing the arguing are $$$$$$pecial interests who won't be able to manipulate tax codes any longer to control us. Saying that makes me soooooo happy!!!!
Since we're talking about the Fair Tax Act in this thread, would you be so kind as to provide the folks a link to the petition address that you had in your blog a while back?
Anyone interested in consumption taxes as opposed to production taxes should take a moment to review the issue and sign the petition if you're so inclined.
Quote: Originally posted by Rick G on Sep 16, 2006
Konane,
Since we're talking about the Fair Tax Act in this thread, would you be so kind as to provide the folks a link to the petition address that you had in your blog a while back?
Anyone interested in consumption taxes as opposed to production taxes should take a moment to review the issue and sign the petition if you're so inclined.
Thanks!
Sorry it took a few to reply. Book link was not valid so removed it.
Frist Fails to Piggyback I-Gaming Bill U.S. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist's effort to attach prohibitive online gambling legislation to the FY 2007 Defense Department Conference Report (DCR 07) has yet to materialize. The conference committee on the Department of Defense (DOD) authorization bill reportedly removed "Leach-type language" from the bill.
A source close to IGN said he expects Frist, R-Tenn., to continue pressuring legislators to amend the bill, making use of provisions introduced by Rep. Jim Leach, R-Iowa, which target U.S. based banks, credit card companies and other Internet payment systems, prohibiting them from making payments to online gambling companies.
Frist's campaign has allegedly drawn criticism from House Judiciary Committee Chairman James Sensenbrenner, who insists the only acceptable provision would be one similar or identical to the House-passed bill (HR 4411), the source said.
As it stands, the source indicated, the House-passed bill is considered unacceptable by the horse racing industry and, by extension, several key senators, thereby making it "difficult, but not impossible," for Frist to piggyback his prohibitive online gambling legislation onto the DOD bill.
This is a great story Todd. I hope the Internet gambling gets banned soon.
I think you're the only one here who hopes so.
Which one of these guys is Frist.
The one wearing the blue tie
frist is the one on the left.
you don't have a clue.do you even know what your talking about? chances are you don't.so just6ntlc give us the reason you are so against it.i'm listening.....
this could actually work out better in the long run if we let him put in the laws about the credit card.i think he knows the real internet gambling bill won't pass so he is looking to pass something even if it is small so he can pacify the ones who are looking to outlaw the whole thing.he might win the battle but he will lose the war on this....
Thanks Jorli D and Lottomike. I would have guessed that - being that he is in the foreground and doing the expressing. If this bill is piggybacked on the defense bill our asses are grass. Not only with this but with things to come.
News report out of National Journal (a political publication following Hill action)
"According to an aide, Frist has decided to push for a truncated version of the House bill that would bar banks and credit card companies from processing payments for online bets and make it a crime for a gambling business to accept credit cards, wire transfers or any other bank instrument to process payments for illegal gaming transactions."
This is obviously broader than we had originally hoped and not good news. Still trying to get actual language being floated, but no luck yet.
Also read there is a 1961 (believe that's the year) ban on gambling across state lines they're hoping to get clarified by this legislation.
On the bright side once clarified and put into place perhaps online ticket purchases within state will become possible. Georgia has such a proposal but has been tabled for a couple of years.
Konane wrote:
"To save my life I can't get a handle on the real reason for the ban other than maxing credit cards which are unsecured and walking away OR being unable to effectively collect taxes on winnings OR profits being used to fund terrorism or organized crime."
My guess is the fact they are getting nothing out of it. Name one other aspect of your life that these losers don't have their grubby little hands held out getting something out of it too...
They don't care if it is right or wrong, (the porn industry comes to mind) they just want to control the whole situation so they get some money out of the deal, and a large portion at that. If you don't cut the government in, you won't be doing whatever you are doing very long, and that is a fact...and it doesn't matter which party is in office. They are all the same. Which way would you rather go, trampled by an elephant or kicked in the head by a jackass? It's all the same. Either way, it is going to hurt...
The whole damn bunch (and I mean all of them) needs to be locked in the Superdome together and left to fend for themselves for a week or two...
Frist would sell his mother on a street corner in Harlem if he thought it would get him the presidential nod from the Republican Party. I'd be willing to bet the credit card lobby is not in his corner on this one. The only reason he is doing this is to build street credit with the religious right. He is not a die hard anti abortionist, so he has to attach himself to Jerry Falwell's hind tit somehow.
Rule # 9 in D.C..
If your bill can not go thru on its own attach it to a priority bill.
Kid in a market.
Maa can I get that candy bar.
Ma says no.
Kid puts the candy bar on counter when checking out.
Ma can not buy the other groceries unless the candy bar goes with the rest.
Moral of story.
Politicans are a bunch of blatt a$$e$ when they can not get their own way.
If Frigits is on the ballot at presidential election time watch out.
JAP 69 is right.when its all said and done this bastard is going to get this passed one way or the other.look for a bill to be voted on by the middle of next week.by next friday or so you might no longer have internet gambling as an option for all americans to enjoy.good night all..........
This reminds me of the case of Ralph Reed - the "religious right" leader - who "opposed" gambling casinos because he was being paid by the convicted felon Jack Abrahamoff who was a lobbyist for Indian casinos. It turns out that Reed's "opposition" to gambling was really a front for trying to keep the Indian casinos from facing competition. There were no moral issues. It was all about being paid off.
The bribery checks were flying fast and furious. Let's be sure that Frist doesn't do anything for his country. Everything he does is because someone is paying him off.
The United States has never seen the level of corruption it is seeing now. We think we're invincible, but because of this kind of person, we are quite nearly bankrupt.
If I win the lottery I'm taking my money and investing it in overseas securities, as quickly as is possible. Then I'm going to try to get my family out of the country before my kids are sent off to die for Halliburton.
Here in Florida, state house seat pays $35,000. a year for two years, candiate puts up $85,000. of his own money toward over $200,000. campain fund to win it. Can anyone explain the math? BobP
my child saw this when i was looking at a story on internet gamblin.i already have an intense dislike for this bastard and then i see him attack elmo.that didn't help matters....
According to CongressDailyAM, one of the publications staff, members, and lobbyists read every morning on Capitol Hill, negotiations on the DoD Authorization conference report are still underway.
The leaders of the two committees failed to wrap up conference negotiations on the defense authorization bill Thursday, as members had initially intended. House Armed Services Tactical Air and Land Subcommittee Chairman Curt Weldon, R-Pa., said members still have to complete work on a handful of issues and would not file the conference report until next week.
Since members go out of town on weekends to return to their districts & campaign, it seems to me that failure to complete the report Thursday night means it will now be completed no earlier than Monday night, and probably maybe even a little later than that. Staff will probably work through the weekend on it, but they are not making the high-profile decisions on outstanding items that members can make. Staff might be negotiating the gambling language, but only members can ultimately decide whether it gets inserted or not. Members won't be back in DC until Monday evening -- that's the general trend, anyhow.
So, what's the impact for Internet gambling?
Well, every day that goes by that the conference report remains "open" is another day that Frist & Co will have time to try to insert the Leach bill. In that sense, delay is a bad thing. It seems clear to me that the DoD Authorization has sufficient momentum to pass, and that it will get a very brief amount of floor time needed to get through. The only question is what goes into the bill, if anything.
Here are some things you need to know about Conference reports:
1.) Conference reports are not amendable, and that there is no comment period or whatever. The conferees and leadership decide what to put in them, whether it is germane or not, and put it in. Then they file the report and can have a vote on it within hours of filing.
2.) Conference reports CAN be held just like normal bills. I'll repeat that for emphasis. Holds CAN be lodged on these conference reports. That said, Senators are usually much more reluctant to hold a conference report than they are a regular bill -- all the more so when the main part of that report deals with the military, pay raises for troops, and national security. On top of that, Leadership is MUCH more prone to use tools to overcome holds on major conference reports, meaning that even if people put holds down, leadership in the Senate could probably beat those holds by filing for and attaining 60 votes on a cloture petition. Cloture is time consuming, but necessary in these cases.
3.) People are probably not going to have the chance to preview the language... it will be negotiated until the dying end between a select few staffers and members, plus well connected lobbyists. You can try to call the relevant Senators/Congressman's offices to ask, but I'll bet a ton you won't get anywhere with such requests... still, from a pressure standpoint it wouldn't be a bad idea to blitz those offices with requests.
4.) I spoke with staff for two of the west coast members who are conferees, and they have indicated to me that efforts are alive and well to attach not only the Internet gambling provisions, but also an abortion bill as well (has to do with transporting minors across state lines) to the DoD Authorization conference report. Apparently the word among staff is that the Armed Services Committees on both sides of the Hill are 100% objecting to including any extraneous subject matter. Now, how much of that is posturing and how much is a real objection is anyone's guess. Plus, the Armed Services guys could EASILY get rolled by leadership and get forced to include either or both of those extraneous bills. Nonetheless, those opposing the bill should be heartened to hear this.
5.) Contacts suggested to me that the conference report will likely be wrapped up Monday or Tuesday, and voted on in the House 24 hours after that. At about that time, the content of the report would become publicly available on the House Rules Committee's website. That will be our first look at the language, unless Berge or ChrisAJ or some other insider succeeds in getting it before then. The House is expected to pass the bill no matter what it includes, since the House is rather authoritarian in its procedural rules, and there are no holds or other mechanisms to block things from moving. From there, the bill would move to the Senate, where a number of things could happen. I will not speculate on what would happen in the Senate at this point, as I don't think we know enough to make an intelligent guess.
6.) The substance of what I now understand to be Frist's proposal would be a significant setback for online gambling, as I think it would kill IGMPay transfers, and may also block Neteller and FirePay type devices. Not to be alarmist, but you all need to be very concerned about the impact that proposal would have on the poker economy -- if I understand it correctly. More details to come, and obviously I reserve final judgment until I see the language that gets included, IF any language is in fact attacked.
Look for some news updates later today and through the weekend -- but the rubber will really meet the road during the 36 hour period between Monday at noon and Tuesday night.
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So, this guy gets his info from http://nationaljournal.com/about/congressdaily/ which report on what's happening in congress twice daily with behind the scene stuff in the p.m. Good link.
How true...very well said. Time to get the Charmin Ultra Double Rolls out and wipe the fecal matter away and flush the whole mess down the toilet.
this frist guy is a complete idiot.whats does military operations have to do with internet gambling?
i've read on the internet where various senators were pissed and don't want this attached to the bill.do you think this frist idiot cares.hell no he doesn't.i think he would sell his mother to get something passed against internet gambling.he's got it that bad.pretty bad when you can't pass a bill normally.he has stooped down to backdoor tactics and using the military. his fanbase is a bunch of religious rich uptight conservative morons who want to see the world peachy clear.i'll vote for a guilianai or mccain but even though frist is from my state i don't feel any kinship whatsoever and would never vote him in as president.my seventy eight year old neighbor might but i wouldn't.i don't like the fact that laws are being passed by these morons and they are trying to overide the senate or try cutthroat tactics so i'll have my rights invaded or have them taken from me.tap somebody elses phones and take away their god given rights to do what they want in their homes all in the name of terrorism.pardon me but some of us americans know thats B.S.
this frist guy is a complete idiot.whats does military operations have to do with internet gambling?"
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It has nothing to do with it .... but I've been incensed many times in the past when stupid legislation and pork Democrats stealthily attached to other bills and voted on in the middle of the night have become law. So if it passes I suppose people are going to have to adapt. That's the way Washington works like it or not.
Republicians are just as bad.
We need to have a coast to coast pork roasting
............. I'll get the charcoal and someone else do the sauces!!
I agree "bad", but not "just as bad". There is something called "the lesser of two evils."
You are kidding but I think we really do need to.
Have never liked pork for votes by any party.
I signed up to betslips and without a problem, the only thing I need is a job to fill the account lol...well, don't know bout you guys but you can continue to complain about an issue that has nothing to do with you making money now, or you can just continue to have fun playing the lottery online...it seems that alot more people then I thought chose the 1st option instead.
Oh well, have fun waiting on the outlook of this ridiculous case
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There are so many "Joy Killers", I guess that they don't have anything better to do, I hope that in the end it goes the way of "PROHIBITION" and music downloading (Napster).
I hope that those laws are impossible to enforce.
There is nothing wrong with gambling it is a nice clean past-time, it has nothing to do with sex, drugs, violence, terror nor war, Well, as far as I know any-way, but I might be wrong.
If there was something wrong with playing the lottery, Would there be state and country lotteries?
It seems like a safe, nice, clean thing to do.
Don't again ever vote for any of the "Joy Killers" run or throw them out of the House and the Senate.
Say yes to " Gambling Freedom" play the lottery anywhere and anytime, it is our FREEDOM right!
Vote those people out of the government and or just don't vote for anybody like them ever again.
Vote for our FREEDOM.
Say "NO" to "KILL JOYS"
Amen...I have a great bar-b-que sauce for pork. And it doesn't include politicians as an ingredient (although the roasting might eliminate that bitter taste).
Finally, something we can all agree on!
Just the pork they hand out like it's free ...... not the politicians. Send them home back to the real world.
Here's the Nightline segment about internet gambling I saw the other night. They implied it's all about doing business and not paying taxes, likely withholding US taxes and paying up like state lotteries do.
Other articles on that site here.
http://infospace.abcnews.com/_1_KYITVN03IT6C6J__info.abcnws/search/web/online%2Bgambling
They should be working on getting rid of the porn sites and looking for pedophiles which in my opinion is far worse than my little 25 cent bet. Let's vote these MF's out. (Pardon my French)
Ms. Pat
Konane, once again a good argument for the Fair Tax Act.
If you win money with these gambling entities, it will be taxed when you spend that money. Makes a helluva lot of sense to me.
What is the confusion with this concept? I'm a "poor" person and I don't spend much money because I don't make much money so any argument saying this is going to hurt poor people is specious. If you buy a Leer jet to transport yourself you will be paying a proportionate amount of taxes as a person buying a 10 year-old car.
The only people arguing it are those who make more money but pay less taxes than we do on April 15th. Party affiliation is not an issue...it's an issue of hidden wealth and they all have it on both sides of the aisle.
But you wouldn't be able to hide a Lexus SUV purchase or write it off for business use, would you?
Couldn't agree with you more, Rick. The ones doing the arguing are $$$$$$pecial interests who won't be able to manipulate tax codes any longer to control us. Saying that makes me soooooo happy!!!!
Konane,
Since we're talking about the Fair Tax Act in this thread, would you be so kind as to provide the folks a link to the petition address that you had in your blog a while back?
Anyone interested in consumption taxes as opposed to production taxes should take a moment to review the issue and sign the petition if you're so inclined.
Thanks!
Sorry it took a few to reply. Book link was not valid so removed it.
Sign This Petition.
http://patriotpetitions.us/noincometax/
http://patriotpetitions.us/intro.asp?id=6
https://blogs.lotterypost.com/konane/2006/7/repeal-16th-amendment-abolish-income-tax.htm
Frist Fails to Piggyback I-Gaming Bill
U.S. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist's effort to attach prohibitive online gambling legislation to the FY 2007 Defense Department Conference Report (DCR 07) has yet to materialize. The conference committee on the Department of Defense (DOD) authorization bill reportedly removed "Leach-type language" from the bill.
A source close to IGN said he expects Frist, R-Tenn., to continue pressuring legislators to amend the bill, making use of provisions introduced by Rep. Jim Leach, R-Iowa, which target U.S. based banks, credit card companies and other Internet payment systems, prohibiting them from making payments to online gambling companies.
Frist's campaign has allegedly drawn criticism from House Judiciary Committee Chairman James Sensenbrenner, who insists the only acceptable provision would be one similar or identical to the House-passed bill (HR 4411), the source said.
As it stands, the source indicated, the House-passed bill is considered unacceptable by the horse racing industry and, by extension, several key senators, thereby making it "difficult, but not impossible," for Frist to piggyback his prohibitive online gambling legislation onto the DOD bill.
i think this is a washington times article