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real drawings and predetermined draws

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do you think the lottery is capable of using a test draw and showing at as a live drawing

yes [ 21 ]  [63.64%]
no [ 6 ]  [18.18%]
not sure [ 6 ]  [18.18%]
Total Valid Votes [ 33 ]  
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Posted: September 14, 2006, 3:02 pm - IP Logged

And this is where it can get weird how do we know were seeing the real drawing or a pre determined drawing like when the are testing the balls and machines a pre draw could easily be recorded to suite them and when they go on air put the drawing of their choice as live....

four4me made this statement in the fixed lotteries topic so i hope he doesn't mind me quoting him.he made me think real hard on this.best thing that has made me think in a while as far as the lottery goes.they could use this method to drive up jackpots too.....

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    Posted: September 14, 2006, 3:51 pm - IP Logged

    Seems like you're just asking the same question a different way:

    "Do you think the Lotteries are Fixed?"

    View the Results of that Poll here:

    http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/141324

      four4me's avatar - gate1
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      Posted: September 16, 2006, 2:39 pm - IP Logged

      here's why i said what i did one day a while back we had an evening drawing where the announcer was and usually is the weather man/woman on our local TV station that airs the drawing. Sometime it's an lottery official that gives the info. on rare occasions.

      well this particular evening when they drew the numbers and the wether man spoke the numbers as they were being drawn, i realized that he wasn't on the news that evening doing his usual weather report. in fact i think he was on vacation.

      i was pretty shook up about this but i also realized i couldn't do much about it.

      since i also believe they tape the drawings on some weekends and holidays. technically there might not be any laws preventing them from doing that. Moreover because if they can tape drawings ahead of time who's to say which drawings they air. i don't know i could be totally wrong about this. As i don't know anyone who works at our local TV station to verify any of this.

      About the only way one could know if everything was/is on the up and up would be to be an actual witness for every drawing and be looking at your watch while the drawings are taking place. I am referring to pick 3/4/5 drawing not mega mil and powerball.

      A while back a guy here on lottery post that worked for the TV station that airs the mega mil drawing said everything is on the up and up. As not only has he witnessed the drawings he was working on the set where they do the drawings for mega. He says when the pull the drawing that's when they are on the air.

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        Posted: September 16, 2006, 3:47 pm - IP Logged

        four4me said:

        "... i don't know anyone who works at our local TV station to verify any of this."

         As you know, LosingJeff and I spent years investigating the crooked practices of the Hoosier Lottery (which still operates unabated). We didn't know the people we needed to speak with, either, so we simply introduced ourselves and told them what we wanted.

        You'll discover that the programming director at your local television station will be happy to talk to you, and might even give you videotaped copies of the drawings in question if you ask for them (in most states, the tapes are archived at the studio for a year or more). Also, their marketing director can give you additional information concerning their true advertising expenses (which don't always match what the lottery claims they spend).

        Speculating on something that might be suspicious only leads to more suspicion. Go get the information you need to either verify or disprove your allegations. I realize that many people can't bring themselves to walk up to a perfect stranger and begin a conversation. If this is the case, sit down and write a letter or send an email to the person you want to speak with. Include your phone number and invite the respondent to call you at his convenience, if you're more comfortable speaking on the phone.

        Television stations all over the country usually have two or three citizens a day pawing through their files looking for information, and the stations are required to allow them to do so by the FCC (via the federal Freedom of Information Act). Any information the station manager has access to is fair game, and I've never encountered one who was hostile to me, unlike most of the people I've spoken with at various state agencies.

        If you want to verify your suspicions, go and ask the person who has that information. If you're perfectly content just sitting around wondering about it, then your present course of action certainly won't hurt anything, but you'll never know if you were right.

        Come, Pinky; we must prepare for tomorrow night...

        Jim

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          Posted: September 16, 2006, 4:25 pm - IP Logged

          thank's Jim (i might check into the TV station gig.) for your input i am constantly prying info out of any lottery personnel i come in contact with. And i can almost get them to divulge their little secrets about lottery going on's as long as I'm not to pushy. I brought up a conversation about them possibly manipulating the ball drawings--- ie: what i just posted in my last reply and the person said if they were doing that, that she didn't know about it. I could tell she was uneasy with some of my questions.

          Like last summer there was this woman whom played 3303 for years she only put 5 dollars straight on the drawing for midday and evening. one day she had a doctors appointment you know where i going with this and she was running late didn't make it to the place where she gets her tickets. yep it hit midday she broke down threw a fit had to be removed in an ambo. She did everything she could to try and convince lottery officials how she thought they rigged the game because in so many years of playing the number twice a day every day it never hit straight and the one draw she didn't play it came out.

          I found out about this story because i happened into the store she used to play her numbers in and asked for that number because it was my room number at the hotel i was staying at.

          I've heard so many stories like this and even have a few incidences of my own. When you marry a number and stop playing it will hit. It's hard to call it coincidence. Even harder to prove otherwise.

          there are many times i just fell like giving up on the lottery as far as pick 3/4 games are concerned. And just play megga for a few bucks every week.

          No lottery game is easy to win even harder to try and figure out what number will be drawn next. I do know from talking to lottery personal they get all kinds of threatening remarks from people about how come their numbers don't ever get drawn when they play or are draw when they don't play them.

          You know i feel for your situation in Indiana and wonder how many other states use loop holes to conduct drawings to generate money after all they seem to be immune from prosecution. Even if cough in the act they make up some story where it's perfectly legitimate to conduct drawings in any fashion they deem. As long as someone gets a payout. However small.

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            Posted: September 16, 2006, 6:03 pm - IP Logged

            That's an excellent idea, Jim.  People can question the way any operation runs, but until they do the actual research, nothing will ever be learned.  Personally, I prefer to say in the dark.  I think I'm doomed to playing my numbers until I die.

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              Posted: October 13, 2006, 6:33 pm - IP Logged

              I voted yes only because the technology exists to do so, and the question asks are they capable of doing that -  but it is highly doubtful any lottery would ever actually do so. They'd be bringing down a stigma on themselves and every other lottery out there.

               ok- this is why I saw the technology exists, and this was early 1980's - there were a bunch of bars in Las Vegas that all went in together on a very small scale video poker "mega millions" type progressive jackpot - a coin played in a poker machine in any participating bar advanced the jackpot in all the bars. These machines were set to never hit a royal flush. 

              But that was a bunch of taverns and a corrput slot route operator.

              When you get to the level of casinos and state lotteries, they are not going to risk losing their license (casinos) or ruining an annual multi-million dollar cash cow (lottery).

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                Posted: October 14, 2006, 12:12 am - IP Logged

                here's why i said what i did one day a while back we had an evening drawing where the announcer was and usually is the weather man/woman on our local TV station that airs the drawing. Sometime it's an lottery official that gives the info. on rare occasions.

                well this particular evening when they drew the numbers and the wether man spoke the numbers as they were being drawn, i realized that he wasn't on the news that evening doing his usual weather report. in fact i think he was on vacation.

                i was pretty shook up about this but i also realized i couldn't do much about it.

                since i also believe they tape the drawings on some weekends and holidays. technically there might not be any laws preventing them from doing that. Moreover because if they can tape drawings ahead of time who's to say which drawings they air. i don't know i could be totally wrong about this. As i don't know anyone who works at our local TV station to verify any of this.

                About the only way one could know if everything was/is on the up and up would be to be an actual witness for every drawing and be looking at your watch while the drawings are taking place. I am referring to pick 3/4/5 drawing not mega mil and powerball.

                A while back a guy here on lottery post that worked for the TV station that airs the mega mil drawing said everything is on the up and up. As not only has he witnessed the drawings he was working on the set where they do the drawings for mega. He says when the pull the drawing that's when they are on the air.


                <<well this particular evening when they drew the numbers and the wether man spoke the numbers as they were being drawn, i realized that he wasn't on the news that evening doing his usual weather report. in fact i think he was on vacation.>>

                That sounds incredibly suspicious. I know I've never been on vacation from my usual job and still been in town.

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                  Posted: October 14, 2006, 4:02 am - IP Logged

                  They say:

                  "Believe the worst, but hope for the best"

                  Or something like that.

                  People are people, I don't care who they are and or what or which position they hold.

                  Greed, corruption and power (And money?) they go well together, hand in hand.

                  But even the poor have a good share of some of that.

                  Above all, remember, to humans a dollar is a dollar and they add to many dollars, a dollar here and a dollar there, a dollar a day equals to 365.25 dollars in 1 year (More or less, as a year is an inaccurate measure of time as given, even as being 365.25 days).

                  Never underestimate the power of a dollar and the power that a dollar gives.

                  Mr. Money is a very powerful gentleman.

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                    Posted: October 14, 2006, 11:25 am - IP Logged

                    And this is where it can get weird how do we know were seeing the real drawing or a pre determined drawing like when the are testing the balls and machines a pre draw could easily be recorded to suite them and when they go on air put the drawing of their choice as live....

                    four4me made this statement in the fixed lotteries topic so i hope he doesn't mind me quoting him.he made me think real hard on this.best thing that has made me think in a while as far as the lottery goes.they could use this method to drive up jackpots too.....

                    Good Topic!!

                    This is what I think I know -- Since all picks are recorded on the Lottery Machines owned by your friendly Lottery and since the numbers are recorded at Headquarters Lottery, I think it would be possible to know what payout would be closest to what your profit expectations are.

                    So, doing enough tests and recording the best one would make sense to achieve the biggest bang for your buck.  However, these for all practical purposes are state workers at the Lottery.  They  do not have much skin in the game except their salaries.  My point is that someone sometime would leak the truth for spite or just to do it.  You know a lot of attrition  takes place in the workplace today and it seems like this would be a hard secret to keep.  You know state and Federal Governments are not known for their tight lips.

                    But, what do I know!!!

                    Floridian

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                      Posted: October 14, 2006, 11:59 am - IP Logged

                      When you step back and look at it, you have to conclude that there are a lot of folks involved in conducting a lottery drawing.

                      You have auditors, recorders, security and others. I don't know the total number, but, I believe they are trying to do the best job they can.

                      Now, if the lottery director or operator, or whomever, decides to put in a fix, to increase the jackpot, someone on that drawing team is going to yell 'foul' and call the local news media.

                      I was a newspaper reporter for many years and I can tell you that the people responsible for getting the lottery numbers are not the best on the staff. They make mistakes. Same is true for the TV news crews.

                      Mistakes are not always corrected.

                      So, my view is that if you are using what the news media reports to make judgments regarding the lottery, you might come up with some false conclusions.

                      Bobby