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dvdiva

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Nov 16, 2006, 2:17 am

Goto www.newsday.com and search for 27 arrested. I'd post the link but this site doesn't allow smooth pasting from Firefox.
Note the seizure of all property before any trial. Seizure of money so the accused can't mount a defence and seizure of all computers without a trial that are used for just about everything these days.
And the crime of "promoting gambling"?
If I thought it was only one political party that was this sick I'd be happy when one side wins or looses but with an idiot like Bush in charge of the US representing one side and in WA state having the harshest gambling laws in the country passed by the other side I really wonder if the government here has just gone either insane or just evil.
silky

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Nov 16, 2006, 2:58 am

Oh hell, You can thank the D party for that, they are the ones that voted no on line, do you know you can watch them on TV? it's in every state, that you can watch , The house. and you will see, take the time to watch and less time pointing the finger. Bush has better things to do . he only sign what is voted on BECAUSE that is his job even if he doesn't agree with it. I want to see the D's voter jump up and down now. and things aren't over yet , I'm waiting to see how many little people get busted from I R S on the money people won on here that didn't clam their winning on their taxes. and I'm sure they will BLAME Bush for that too, although it's their own fault .
BaristaExpress

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Nov 16, 2006, 11:30 am

Quote: Originally posted by dvdiva on Nov 16, 2006
Goto www.newsday.com and search for 27 arrested. I'd post the link but this site doesn't allow smooth pasting from Firefox.
Note the seizure of all property before any trial. Seizure of money so the accused can't mount a defence and seizure of all computers without a trial that are used for just about everything these days.
And the crime of "promoting gambling"?
If I thought it was only one political party that was this sick I'd be happy when one side wins or looses but with an idiot like Bush in charge of the US representing one side and in WA state having the harshest gambling laws in the country passed by the other side I really wonder if the government here has just gone either insane or just evil.

I just don't understand simple minded people! Heck, I think it's as plain as the nose on your face! If someone has illegal gains/money from an illegal operation (of any kind), of course all money, property and other assets will be seized. The government has no way to distinguish what had been acquired legally or illegally, that burden falls on the accused! So, with that said, the government has no other choice but to seize everything until said accused provides proof that some of those assets that had been seized isn't from their illegal activities/operation!
I ask this. Why let someone that has an illegal operation that's making money from said illegal operation use that money that they obtained illegally in the first place, to pay his lawyers so he can mount some kind of defense for the crimes he is accused of committing?
It's called forfeiture! Any and all monetary gains from illegal enterprises are always subject to seizure by the government, until proven that said assets were not obtained with illegal money!
I feel that the government has done nothing wrong in the seizure of all their assets! Let's see if they can use legally obtained money from a legal source to pay for their defense!
If that makes me a fascist in this fascist country, then so be it!

Keep dreaming the impossible dream, it just may come true!
BobP

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Nov 16, 2006, 11:43 am

These people were conducting an illegal betting opperation in the country where they live vs people whose business is perfectly legal and government supervised where they live and happens to be available to people who live in countries where betting is illegal when not state approved. BobP
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Nov 16, 2006, 1:05 pm

People who do such things, should be a lot more careful, also maybe they should have moved to a more secure place.
With so much money as they were making, you would think that they could afford better security and somebodies good advice.

EXCALIBUR is no more that "Handle" is dead, gone.
Maybe sometime in the future I might come back as LANTERN again, but maybe not, if I don't come back as LANTERN in the future then I won't come back at all, but as I said there is no more EXCALIBUR.
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Nov 16, 2006, 1:28 pm

Quote: Originally posted by EXCALIBUR on Nov 16, 2006
People who do such things, should be a lot more careful, also maybe they should have moved to a more secure place.
With so much money as they were making, you would think that they could afford better security and somebodies good advice.

People who do such things - shouldn't be doing them.

love to nibble those micey feet.
floridian

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Nov 16, 2006, 1:55 pm

Quote: Originally posted by EXCALIBUR on Nov 16, 2006
People who do such things, should be a lot more careful, also maybe they should have moved to a more secure place.
With so much money as they were making, you would think that they could afford better security and somebodies good advice.

Hey F:
I agree with you as usual, you are right on.
Me thinks some of the folks on this thread are protesting too much.
Its like the old saying goes, "if you really want to know what is going on follow the money."
I guess one more point is appropriate, the defination of Facism is:
A philosophy or system of government that is marked by stringent social and economic control, a strong, centralized government usually headed by a dictator, and often a policy of belligerent nationalism."
I do not believe we are there yet. I we were the remarks on this thread would not be tolerated.
F
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Nov 16, 2006, 2:00 pm

Quote: Originally posted by BaristaExpress on Nov 16, 2006
I just don't understand simple minded people! Heck, I think it's as plain as the nose on your face! If someone has illegal gains/money from an illegal operation (of any kind), of course all money, property and other assets will be seized. The government has no way to distinguish what had been acquired legally or illegally, that burden falls on the accused! So, with that said, the government has no other choice but to seize everything until said accused provides proof that some of those assets that had been seized isn't from their illegal activities/operation!
I ask this. Why let someone that has an illegal operation that's making money from said illegal operation use that money that they obtained illegally in the first place, to pay his lawyers so he can mount some kind of defense for the crimes he is accused of committing?
It's called forfeiture! Any and all monetary gains from illegal enterprises are always subject to seizure by the government, until proven that said assets were not obtained with illegal money!
I feel that the government has done nothing wrong in the seizure of all their assets! Let's see if they can use legally obtained money from a legal source to pay for their defense!
If that makes me a fascist in this fascist country, then so be it!

right on Barista.

love to nibble those micey feet.
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Nov 16, 2006, 6:20 pm

Quote: Originally posted by silky on Nov 16, 2006
Oh hell, You can thank the D party for that, they are the ones that voted no on line, do you know you can watch them on TV? it's in every state, that you can watch , The house. and you will see, take the time to watch and less time pointing the finger. Bush has better things to do . he only sign what is voted on BECAUSE that is his job even if he doesn't agree with it. I want to see the D's voter jump up and down now. and things aren't over yet , I'm waiting to see how many little people get busted from I R S on the money people won on here that didn't clam their winning on their taxes. and I'm sure they will BLAME Bush for that too, although it's their own fault .

You are half right.

Bush signed things into law he KNEW would get over-ridden, so he made sure to sign things when Congress was not in session.

But you know what ?
It's not just him, it's EVERYONE in politics. I'm trying to figure out how folks can spend multi-millions on campaigns when the job they are running for pay $100,000 - $150,000, and I can only think of one reason - money under the table for favors.

It will never end, and it will never end when the 'new' electees get there and see just how EASY the money flows in under the table.
If I GUARANTEED you winning lottery numbers, would you listen to me, or ignore me ?
Same deal.

Get elected = winning the lottery, set for life, even if for one term (Senate or Congress)

As far as the IRS coming after people that say they won on this website, I have two words, ok, four words:
1) Prove it.
2) People lie.

God I love Lou Dobbs, we need clones of him in every office, and if you are not familiar with him, www.loudobbs.com
GASMETERGUY

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Nov 16, 2006, 8:42 pm

Quote: Originally posted by dvdiva on Nov 16, 2006
Goto www.newsday.com and search for 27 arrested. I'd post the link but this site doesn't allow smooth pasting from Firefox.
Note the seizure of all property before any trial. Seizure of money so the accused can't mount a defence and seizure of all computers without a trial that are used for just about everything these days.
And the crime of "promoting gambling"?
If I thought it was only one political party that was this sick I'd be happy when one side wins or looses but with an idiot like Bush in charge of the US representing one side and in WA state having the harshest gambling laws in the country passed by the other side I really wonder if the government here has just gone either insane or just evil.

It is called the RICO act and has been around for twenty years. Florida highway patrol has been "confiscating" vacationers money for years. Don't travel the Florida Turnpike with a lot of money. The police figure you are going south to buy drugs, so they take your money. The fact you have not been found guilty of any wrongdoing means nothing. Your money is history.
Today this act is being used as intended but what about the future? Who is to say that some elected official will not come along and, using RICO, put all his political opponents into a corner with no means of defense. Or even you or me, for that matter!
Don't anger any elected official or you might find yourself at the wrong end of this law. Today you can be deprived of personal wealth without the due process of law.
JimmySand9

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Nov 18, 2006, 10:20 pm

Let's see, the elimination of Habeus Corpus, conenting adults being jailed for making porn, people being jailed for simple wagering on the supposedly "wrong" thing, chefs in Chicago can lose their restaurant permit for making goose liver, the drinking age is still oppressively high. And through all of this, they've been trying to make it harder to leave the country (come 2008 you'll need a passport just to get into Canada, expect a visa requirement before too long).
Yep, I think you're right. I'm gonna try to start a grassroots effort to get all this crap repealed while I still can. As for you, I would move to Canada while you still can.

(insert signature here)
justxploring

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Nov 18, 2006, 10:57 pm

"chefs in Chicago can lose their restaurant permit for making goose liver"

Really? I had no idea. Hooray!! Geese already have livers. What's cruel is how people force feed these birds until their livers are swollen and they suffer horrible lives and deaths because a few gourmets desire to stuff their faces with foie gras. Many people don't have enough to eat and others (most of the world) live on staples like rice, beans and noodles. So I don't feel sorry for those who want to invent even more inhumane ways to torture the creatures we are supposed to protect because they are bored with the daily bread they've been given.
"A good man takes care of his animals, but wicked men are cruel to theirs." Proverbs 12:10

By the way, I do agree that we have lost our basic rights and freedoms, but I don't think one of them is to be able to act irresponsibly or forget our morality which includes how we treat those who are weaker than we are.
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Nov 18, 2006, 11:34 pm

Quote: Originally posted by silky on Nov 16, 2006
Oh hell, You can thank the D party for that, they are the ones that voted no on line, do you know you can watch them on TV? it's in every state, that you can watch , The house. and you will see, take the time to watch and less time pointing the finger. Bush has better things to do . he only sign what is voted on BECAUSE that is his job even if he doesn't agree with it. I want to see the D's voter jump up and down now. and things aren't over yet , I'm waiting to see how many little people get busted from I R S on the money people won on here that didn't clam their winning on their taxes. and I'm sure they will BLAME Bush for that too, although it's their own fault .

The "D's" fault again? Maybe I'm mistaken, but an "R" congress and an "R" president are in power today and have been for years.

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Nov 19, 2006, 12:12 am

You're playing right into their hands. That's what they want you to do. Fight over democrat vs republican. The way they've conned you is either choice, they win.America lost its freedom in 1913 with the adoption of the federal reserve and flat currency we have had ever since. America used to have real money BACKED BY GOLD. Our currency today is backed by nothing but the ability of the us govt. to collect the taxes at almost the point of a gun. The value of our currency is in correllation to what the american people think it is worth. One day the dollar will certainly crash, and people will see the scam for what it its. Banks will recall notes, people will lose everything they have or thought they had. You really own nothing. Your property and everything else you own is really collateral to the national debt.Even your car title is a sham. Back in the day. Americans owned their property outright . Not today. In essence, you are just leasing it. Why do you think you are paying taxes on it.Even from your birth, they have you by contract without your knowledge by your ssn and birth certificate. This is how they take ownership of your hard earned money with the taxes. They need the tax money to pay the scam Feds.(National Debt) The scammers write the paychecks to the idiots in washington. Keep them happy and fat and the feds also have a huge say in who is going to be on the ticket in the election. But they win either way, because theirs little difference between demo and repub.The illusion is you think you have such big options when you vote.To fix America you would have to bring the whole deck of cards tumbing down. And the scammers are very smart and they know washing will not turn their back on the profits and goodies of their scam(system).So there you have it.It is bad doesn't it. Not a damn thing you can do about it but trust in God because they can not defeat him and one day this corruption will certainly end. Maybe not in our lifetimes but it will end. I hate politics and I hate our system. I was just born here. I know its may be tougher in other countries but believe me, It will get even more harsh than it is today. It has allready starting with the 911 fiasco. Now they have you trading your god given rights to freedom for a false sense of security.The American people will buy anything it seems.
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Nov 19, 2006, 12:19 am

And I'm not voting next time around. I don't participate in the sham. feel free to flame away
Good Day
Jimiam

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