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Posted: February 28, 2007, 10:20 pm - IP Logged

Pick 10 in NY pays out $4 if you have no winning numbers.
10/20/80...look at it this way...the odds are much better picking 10 from 60 than 10 from 20 out of 80, right? so I've been trying to "lose" for the past couple of days and yes I do get 9/10 losing numbers or 8 of 10...heh heh,
the odds are better but it isnt easy like I expected.

I'm trying to come up with a formula, but so far nothing.

I've tried pi x number x 2 and that is a bust. Always one number shows up.
This makes me mad because it should be easy!!
the no-wins pay out 13,000 and change every day, so somebody is getting it.

I would like to take out a little of the guesswork, but hitting one number will knock you out!
I WANT TO LOSE!!!!

Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.

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    Posted: February 28, 2007, 10:59 pm - IP Logged

    I'll mail you all the crumpled up tickets here in my waste basket...

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      I'll mail you all the crumpled up tickets here in my waste basket...

       

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        Posted: March 1, 2007, 7:05 am - IP Logged

        Pick 10 in NY pays out $4 if you have no winning numbers.
        10/20/80...look at it this way...the odds are much better picking 10 from 60 than 10 from 20 out of 80, right? so I've been trying to "lose" for the past couple of days and yes I do get 9/10 losing numbers or 8 of 10...heh heh,
        the odds are better but it isnt easy like I expected.

        I'm trying to come up with a formula, but so far nothing.

        I've tried pi x number x 2 and that is a bust. Always one number shows up.
        This makes me mad because it should be easy!!
        the no-wins pay out 13,000 and change every day, so somebody is getting it.

        I would like to take out a little of the guesswork, but hitting one number will knock you out!
        I WANT TO LOSE!!!!

        Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.

        PIlot

        An interesting thought, but why would you play for a $4 prize?

         

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          Posted: March 1, 2007, 7:47 am - IP Logged

          An interesting thought, but why would you play for a $4 prize?

          People do that all the time with scratch offs.. they go for less than  $4...  Usually play to lose..

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            People do that all the time with scratch offs.. they go for less than  $4...  Usually play to lose..

            I don't understand.  How can you try to get any particular prize in a scratch game?

             

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              Posted: March 1, 2007, 9:52 am - IP Logged

              Todd,

              Why would I play for a $4 prize? $4 is better than $0, and if I had a pretty good idea that I would not hit any #'s why, then I'd bet 20 times and get me $80, do the math, if the odds are better : picking 10 of 60 that won't hit and playing those numbers 20, 50 or more times, those little $4 prizes add up.

              I am looking for the holy grail, some kind of formula that will work most of the time to help pick losing #s.

              Such a humble request...
              I think this is how keno players in NY work this game. Top prizes are so rare.
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                Posted: March 1, 2007, 9:59 am - IP Logged

                Well,for starters,how about using my "new magic boxes"?  LOL  27 losing combos in that box would net you $81, assuming you're playing a buck a draw.

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                  Posted: March 1, 2007, 10:02 am - IP Logged

                  Whoops,I read that wrong,Pilot. You're talking about a pick 10 game,right? Sorry! It seems like it would be easy enough to pick wrong numbers, but you're right! When you want to pick them you can't but when you're trying NOT to pick them you can. Go figure!

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                    Pilot

                    The "house", the lottery in this case, knows that you are more likely to hit a number in that case than to not hit any numbers.  

                    No matter what kind of formula you try to come up with, it's still going to come down to payouts based on the percentages of times a player plays and hits numbers.

                    On Pick 6 games for example, on a $1 play (two lines of numbers), people hit 0, 1, or 2 numbers, of the 12 numbers played.  

                    Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                    Lep

                    There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                      Posted: March 1, 2007, 10:45 am - IP Logged

                      Todd,

                      Why would I play for a $4 prize? $4 is better than $0, and if I had a pretty good idea that I would not hit any #'s why, then I'd bet 20 times and get me $80, do the math, if the odds are better : picking 10 of 60 that won't hit and playing those numbers 20, 50 or more times, those little $4 prizes add up.

                      I am looking for the holy grail, some kind of formula that will work most of the time to help pick losing #s.

                      Such a humble request...
                      I think this is how keno players in NY work this game. Top prizes are so rare.
                      Pilot

                      Well .... um .... OK .... I guess.

                      I usually play lotto games to try and win the top prize, but if going after the $4 prizes is your thing, then so be it.

                      I am not aware of a strategy for that, other than maybe looking at cold/hot numbers.  Some people think cold will stay cold and hot will stay hot, and other people feel the opposite.  Whatever theory you have on that would be applied to the stats for the game.

                      Here are the stats for New York's Pick 10 game, which should help you out:

                      http://www.lotterypost.com/game/147/stats

                       

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                        Posted: March 1, 2007, 10:58 am - IP Logged

                        Pilot

                        The "house", the lottery in this case, knows that you are more likely to hit a number in that case than to not hit any numbers.  

                        No matter what kind of formula you try to come up with, it's still going to come down to payouts based on the percentages of times a player plays and hits numbers.

                        On Pick 6 games for example, on a $1 play (two lines of numbers), people hit 0, 1, or 2 numbers, of the 12 numbers played.  

                        Coin Toss,

                        Yes you are right, but the game I'm playing pays out a total of about $16,000 per day to losing games as opposed to the 6/10, 7/10/ and 8/10 winning games. only about 3 people win the 8/10 game every day and thats $300 each. But very difficult to hit 8 of 20 drawn numbers out of 80.

                        I was just noticing that the smartest way to play pick 10 is to try to lose because the odds are better...to pick 10 of 60 not drawn numbers seems like it would be easy no? well, it ain't! Easier than trying to win but I have been getting 9/10 losers and that is frustrating.

                        I feel like I'm trying too hard or something. If I just picked any old number for no reason whatever, the probability in this game is that it would not hit...but ...

                        Thank you for pointing this out, maybe it's my mindset that needs to be systematically overhauled and not the numbers. I've heard scared money can't win.

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                          Posted: March 1, 2007, 11:02 am - IP Logged

                          thanks Todd, I just think that's where the money's at in this game. check out the payouts on the NY lotto website.

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                            Posted: March 1, 2007, 2:27 pm - IP Logged

                            thanks Todd, I just think that's where the money's at in this game. check out the payouts on the NY lotto website.

                            Different strokes for different folks.

                            I have never heard of a lotto player making any sizeable profit off of prizes less than $10, because over time it always costs more than what you win.  That's simple odds and mathematics.

                            If you could consistently make a profit at a lower-tier prize level, which would mean that you can pick winning numbers consistently, then why wouldn't you turn your attention to the jackpot prize?

                             

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                              Different strokes for different folks.

                              I have never heard of a lotto player making any sizeable profit off of prizes less than $10, because over time it always costs more than what you win.  That's simple odds and mathematics.

                              If you could consistently make a profit at a lower-tier prize level, which would mean that you can pick winning numbers consistently, then why wouldn't you turn your attention to the jackpot prize?

                              Because the odds are better !

                              They pick 20 numbers out of 80 and I have to get at least 6 of them to win $10. Woop-te-do. It is much more difficult to pick 10 of 20 out of a possible 80 than 10 of 60 numbers that WON"T hit, see what I mean?

                              I have been tying to win for a year and I found that I am much better at picking losing numbers. If they offer a prize for losing numbers, why not take advantage of it? as for turning a profit-if I can triple my bet consistently that would be fine, that would be great, it would sure beat losing trying to win. I want to win trying to lose.

                              I may have found a formula...I'm still testing it...it's kind of hairbrained, but I want to backtest a few more drawings before I lay it out there.

                              The way I figure is this: let's say I bet $100 on 10 numbers and none of them hit...I'd win $300. You can bet the same lousy 10 numbers as many times as you want. If I felt particularly confident in a set of numbers, I could bet $500 on them and walk away with 2 G's. Or not...you see that's why I'm looking for a method. If one lousy number hits I would be screwed.

                              Pilot