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Why can teenagers play the lotto?

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justxploring's avatar - villiarna
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Posted: March 1, 2007, 7:20 pm - IP Logged

  I Agree!          I'd like to add one more thing to your comments JXP.

        Oh Hell yeah.....

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    I've always wonder why can teenagers play the lotto/POwerball or Sweepstakes?

     

    Pumpi, no matter where one lives or what language one speaks, a 20 year old is not a teenager.  Also, an 18 year old is certainly not on the same maturity level as a 12 or 13 year old.  In fact, 18 year olds are currently fighting in Iraq.  If they're old enough to die for their country, they're old enough to buy lottery tickets.

    However, when a child is under 18 and living with his parents, he's usually a dependent. By law, parents are responsible for their children and, in many states, they are held accountable for their actions.  So a child is not free to make decisions about money in most cases. 

    Playing the lottery is gambling.  Young people need to learn responsible ways of saving their money.  Buying lottery tickets isn't one of them.  But if a person is living on his own, earning his own rent and board, he can blow his wages anyway he desires. He can legally suck down carcinogenic smoke, burn his brain out with alcohol (at 21) drive a steel killing machine that can mangle a family of 5 in only seconds, and even get married and have his own children to screw up, because he is considered to be an adult.

    Gambling should be DIScouraged, not ENcouraged.  Being competitive is something altogether different.  Getting to the top and winning is a wonderful goal to teach, but not because there's a big payout when you get there.  Children have plenty of time once they reach adulthood to discover that money & power rule this world. Don't get me wrong, I'd like to be wealthy.  I just think as a society we've lost our sense of values.  It seems as if everything has a price tag on it, including integrity. 

    Amen!!!!

    love to nibble those micey feet.

     

                                 


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      I've always wonder why can teenagers play the lotto/POwerball or Sweepstakes?

       

      Pumpi, no matter where one lives or what language one speaks, a 20 year old is not a teenager.  Also, an 18 year old is certainly not on the same maturity level as a 12 or 13 year old.  In fact, 18 year olds are currently fighting in Iraq.  If they're old enough to die for their country, they're old enough to buy lottery tickets.

      However, when a child is under 18 and living with his parents, he's usually a dependent. By law, parents are responsible for their children and, in many states, they are held accountable for their actions.  So a child is not free to make decisions about money in most cases. 

      Playing the lottery is gambling.  Young people need to learn responsible ways of saving their money.  Buying lottery tickets isn't one of them.  But if a person is living on his own, earning his own rent and board, he can blow his wages anyway he desires. He can legally suck down carcinogenic smoke, burn his brain out with alcohol (at 21) drive a steel killing machine that can mangle a family of 5 in only seconds, and even get married and have his own children to screw up, because he is considered to be an adult.

      Gambling should be DIScouraged, not ENcouraged.  Being competitive is something altogether different.  Getting to the top and winning is a wonderful goal to teach, but not because there's a big payout when you get there.  Children have plenty of time once they reach adulthood to discover that money & power rule this world. Don't get me wrong, I'd like to be wealthy.  I just think as a society we've lost our sense of values.  It seems as if everything has a price tag on it, including integrity. 

      Very true....Virtue lost.

      I might add, how someone is brought up by the parent or parents has long term affects also. The brain, in the first 4 or 5 years of life is where it's most impressionable. The "Hard Drive" so to speak. It's like burning a song onto a disc.

      During those early years, the nerve endings in the brain are on a rampage to find the next connection, hence the rapid growth of the physical brain and skull. These early incidents, experiences, and emotions play an integral part in the formatting of the brain for the rest of that person's life.

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        Gambling DIScouraged and not ENcouraged ??

        I don't get it.

        I (we) have been peppered with Beer ads, I drink less than a 6-pack a YEAR.

        I (we) have been peppered with cigarette ads (indirectly) all of our lives, yet I have never smoked.

        I have been around (some) people that 'do drugs', yet somehow I never have, ever. Had them offered to me a billion times, never done them. 

        I (we) have been peppered with Casino and Gambling ads all of our lives, but I go to a Casino once every 2-3 years, and the Lottery game I play I consider a sport, not gambling.  Why ?  Because like anything you want to partake in, there is a 'cost of admission', and my 'cost of admission' to play my hobby/sport is $10 twice a week.

        Sure, I could go bowling, or to the movies, or hunt or fish, but I don't: Powerball is (one of) my hobbies, I have strict limits on my 'cost of admission', and I adhere to them. 

         

        Hiding things from people in hopes they never see them is counterproductive, as far as I am concerned, and I'm probably wrong. 

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          Guesser, what don't you "get?"  Weren't we talking about children?    I don't understand the point you are trying to make.  I didn't suggest "hiding things" from children.  I just said they shouldn't be encouraged to spend their money frivolously and look at gambling as a means of getting ahead in life.  I said they should learn to be responsible and not take money for granted.  I said they should do their best and compete without putting a price tag on the reward.

          Are you saying you approve of cigarette and beer ads targeting minors?  Do you honestly think it's okay for teens to hang around friends who take drugs? The discussion on this thread was about impressionable teenagers buying lottery tickets and I assume you're over 18!  If I said I don't think 14 year olds should be encouraged to have sex, does that mean I'm saying we should hide the truth?  In fact, education is the key to preventing careless behavior. 

          "Hiding things from people in hopes they never see them is counterproductive..."

          What does teaching a set of values have to do with hiding the truth?  Where did you get that from my post?

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            Guesser

            Good for you but not everybody has that kind of self discipline, especially teen agers.

            Don't forget society is in a blame-it-on-somebody-else (or something else) mode right now, everything from smoking and tobacco companies to people who have committed a crime with a gun and blamed the gun manufacturer!

            Bang Head

            Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

            Lep

            There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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              Because I took 'DIScourage' to mean something like what happened with cigarette ads - ban them from TV and people will stop smoking. Hasn't happened.

              Ban Lottery and Casino ads is one way I would view as a discouragement.... but that's probably just me. Maybe I read too much into it.

              We tell our kids every day to do something - or not to do something, and then WE go do the opposite - whatever 'it' is.

              How can I tell my kid that is 18 not to play the Lottery when I do ?   I can't tell her I don't play it - that is what I call being counterproductive, or hiding the facts, or being a hypocrite - pick one.  

              If the drinking age was 18, I'd do everything I could to discourage her from drinking - but I don't drink, she would see that.  If I drank a case a week, how could I tell her not to drink; that it's bad for you ?   And how can a smoker tell their kid not to smoke and expect the kid to listen ?

              Yeah, I know, I read into your posting more than I should have, my fault, sorry. 

              Cointoss - I really do hate what this country has turned into in the last 25 years - just as you said - gotta blame somebody for my stupidity, somebody somewhere is accountable, and all it takes is a slick lawyer to schmooze a jury to pull it off. Makes me sick. I just don't understand how guys with rap sheets 3 pages long are walking the streets, people with several felony convictions out after 10 days, etc.  oh yeah - they got a lawyer to get 'em off...  but if it was you or me that bought a lottery ticket for an underage minor, we would be doing hard time....

              I'm all for civil liberties, I'm all against stupid civil liberties.  My kid didn't make the team: sue the school.   I didn't learn a certain math skill in high school, so I failed math in college; sue the school.  I just bought this brand new Corvette, I've never had so much power, and I crashed it, killed someone. Sue the dealer, the salesman and Chevy.... never mind the fact I was going 130 mph... 

              New Orleans is suing the Army Corp of Engineers for 77 BILLION dollars because the levies they designed broke.  I say too bad - you live below sea level, there's this thing called 'mother nature' that will mess up anything you design.  Folks are suing the builder of the WTC because they didn't design it to withstand being hit by an airplane.....  People in earthquakes sue people because buildings fell down. Too bad, stuff happens.

              I don't care for earthquakes, so I won't live in California.  I don't like tons of snow so I won't live in Buffalo NY, I don't like hurricanes so I won't live near hurricane zones. I don't like a lot of noise so I won't have a house near a freeway, railroad tracks or an airport.  I don't understand people that are oblivious to things they can't help but already know about, and then sue because something bad happens to them.

              Makes you sick...

              Yes, I'm ranting. 

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                Yes, Guesser, you did take the word "discourage" the way and completely misinterpret what I was saying.  I don't know how you can possibly compare discouraging children from gambling (or any vice) with hiding the truth from them.  Maybe you were confusing me with one of the moral majority folks who thinks teaching students safe sex will promote promiscuity.

                Coin Toss, I agree that many people like to use blame as a defense (and it often works) but we, as a society, should take a stand.  If you told me 10 years ago I'd be shocked at some of the things I see on television or hear on the radio, I'd laugh and say "it'll never happen."  I agree that people kill, not guns, but why make it easy for any psycho to get his hands on one?  Lots of crimes are crimes of passion or rage, and those feelings often pass after a cooling off period.

                I don't know either of you personally, but if you had a teenage daughter and you saw her on one of those Girls Gone Wild videos, wouldn't you want to beat the crap out of Joseph Francis?  Now there's a perfect example of how someone can get very rich without using a drop of integrity. 

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                  so your saying that teenagers shouldnt be able to play the lottery?  well i didnt read everyones posts but if your 18 you can play.  and if you can play why not.  thats awesome that a 20 year old won 60 million, i think its pretty crappy when a 70 or 80 year old person wins.

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                    so your saying that teenagers shouldnt be able to play the lottery?  well i didnt read everyones posts but if your 18 you can play.  and if you can play why not.  thats awesome that a 20 year old won 60 million, i think its pretty crappy when a 70 or 80 year old person wins.

                    Wonder if you'll feel the same way when you're lucky enough to reach 70 or 80.

                    love to nibble those micey feet.

                     

                                                 

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                      Yes, Guesser, you did take the word "discourage" the way and completely misinterpret what I was saying.  I don't know how you can possibly compare discouraging children from gambling (or any vice) with hiding the truth from them.  Maybe you were confusing me with one of the moral majority folks who thinks teaching students safe sex will promote promiscuity.

                      Coin Toss, I agree that many people like to use blame as a defense (and it often works) but we, as a society, should take a stand.  If you told me 10 years ago I'd be shocked at some of the things I see on television or hear on the radio, I'd laugh and say "it'll never happen."  I agree that people kill, not guns, but why make it easy for any psycho to get his hands on one?  Lots of crimes are crimes of passion or rage, and those feelings often pass after a cooling off period.

                      I don't know either of you personally, but if you had a teenage daughter and you saw her on one of those Girls Gone Wild videos, wouldn't you want to beat the crap out of Joseph Francis?  Now there's a perfect example of how someone can get very rich without using a drop of integrity. 

                      Again, SORRY, I admitted I made an error.

                      I'm all for a ban on automatic weapons, or weapons that can easily be made into automatic weapons.  But I'm also all for keeping criminals behind bars and not letting multiple felons of violent crimes back out on the streets, and I continuously wonder why people with 3+ DUI's get off with almost no penalty. What, 7 days in jail maybe, license suspension for 6 months-2 years - and it doesn't stop them from driving ?

                      And as far as my daughter possibly being on a GGW video, it would not surprise me one bit, if she's old enough I can't stop her, and I surely would not think badly of the Producer of the films, quite honestly if what he is doing is legal, then how can I hold a grudge against him ?  Integrity or not, if it's legal, more power to him.  I love Hugh Hefner and Larry Flynt....  I have a MUCH higher amount of respect for them than I do these clowns you see on TV preaching and begging for donations, when they themselves are worth multi-millions and live lavishly off the poor folks that 'donate' to their 'religion'.

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                        Again, SORRY, I admitted I made an error.

                        I'm all for a ban on automatic weapons, or weapons that can easily be made into automatic weapons.  But I'm also all for keeping criminals behind bars and not letting multiple felons of violent crimes back out on the streets, and I continuously wonder why people with 3+ DUI's get off with almost no penalty. What, 7 days in jail maybe, license suspension for 6 months-2 years - and it doesn't stop them from driving ?

                        And as far as my daughter possibly being on a GGW video, it would not surprise me one bit, if she's old enough I can't stop her, and I surely would not think badly of the Producer of the films, quite honestly if what he is doing is legal, then how can I hold a grudge against him ?  Integrity or not, if it's legal, more power to him.  I love Hugh Hefner and Larry Flynt....  I have a MUCH higher amount of respect for them than I do these clowns you see on TV preaching and begging for donations, when they themselves are worth multi-millions and live lavishly off the poor folks that 'donate' to their 'religion'.

                        Guesser, my friend, Hugh Heffner doesn't film children having sex.  He also pays the models in his magazines a lot of money. I'm too tired to get into a long discussion about GGW.  You obviously don't know how many times this piece of dirt has been arrested for using underage girls in his videos.  He's been found guilty on drug possession, pornography, and the corruption of a minor (some of the girls in his videos are only 16) and gets off with a fine and community service.  The police found cocaine, ecstasy and marijuana where he was making one of those "movies" and his overpaid lawyers got the 40+ charges thrown out because they claimed the search was illegal.  Some men think that, because this man made over $100 million by the time he hit 30, he's some kind of hero. He's no different from the sleazy child predators we see on Dateline, except he's filthy rich. He seeks out young girls who are drunk and then often pays them $100 to take off their clothes and touch each other. During the "illegal" sieges some films were found that showed young girls fondling him. One was 16. He claims they lied about their age.  So what? They were drunk.

                        Since you brought up the word "legal" - do you know anything about legal contracts?  When someone makes movies and distributes them for money without your written consent, he is violating your rights.  The rules of a contract is that all parties must be competent. There never is any question that the girls are plastered, although many of them are high on other substances. Therefore, they cannot possibly consent. I'm in my 50s and if one night I had too much to drink and acted out of character, I would hope my friends wouldn't sell naked pictures of me for profit. (not that anyone would pay!)  If what he's doing is legal, he wouldn't be convicted over and over again and fined millions of dollars.  Drunk driving isn't legal either. Yet all of these Hollywood celebrities who get into trouble and check themselves in and out of rehabs don't seem to ever serve much time in jail.  Guess why?  They're rich!  It's not always about what the law says, but who can buy it.

                        Integrity or not, if it's legal, more power to him. 

                        Shame on you for writing that! So I guess what you're saying is that as long as someone can make a buck and get away with it, screw integrity?  You sound like so many of the salespeople I've worked with over the years.  Sorry, but I too am venting. I just went through this at a job selling policies to seniors that I felt were misleading. So here I sit without a paycheck while others continue to deceive and profit.  People don't think about whom they hurt and the consequences of their actions as long as they can stay within the parameters of the law.  When sexually explicit movies target teenagers, they are marketed to older adults who lust for young girls. So what about following your conscience? What about the effect your actions have on the greater good?  Without the courage to speak up to protect the moral foundation upon which our country was built, we might as well rename the United States the Roman Empire, because it's crumbling in front of our eyes. 

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                          I feel like this..if they can join the military at 18, go to war, die, drive,vote, get married,enter into a legally binding contract, get a job... then they should be able to buy a lottery ticket if they so desire.  I had never even thought about 18 year olds playing but much to my surprise, many of them do and WIN! (one of my classes of older students enlightened me) I was also surprised by how many parents actually buy lottery tickets for their children as play things (scratch-offs). Around here, there is not much for them to do so I guess that is why they play..

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                            First of all, thanks emilyg for that insightful and intelligent response to the poster who made the disrespectul comment about a 70 or an 80 year old senior. 

                             

                            Secondly,  The poster should have validated his or her reasoning: why do you think a 70 or an 80 year old should not win.

                             

                            Thirdly, although I am not 70 or 80 -- and still relatively young -- I take offense when senior citizens are disrespected in any way. I was taught to respect my elders because:

                            1.  They are older and have experienced life's complexing challenges by living long enough to share those experiences with others. On the other hand, I have learned to avoid many of life's hard obstacle courses by listening to and following their advice!

                            2.  They generally have more wisdom because they are more 'seasoned.'

                            3.  They have worked longer and perhaps harder than the younger generation (again, there are some exceptions).

                            4.  They are entitled to rest a little: sit back and enjoy the fruits of their labors.  Younger people (unless they are disabled) have the strength, they should have the motivation to work harder and succeed, and they usually have many productive years to accumulate earnings, providing they don't pass away at a younger age.

                             

                            Finally, I am more thrilled when a senior wins, but at the same time, I am even happier when a younger person wins, too. So, writer, you are entitled to your opinion. However, please think before you speak and think before you write!

                            See Ya!-- Bye, bye!  When you win, may you glow as brightly as theSun Smiley

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                              I know this is about teenagers right to gamble,, but the comment about sending an 18 year old to Iraq,  if I'm not mistaken the military is voluntary,, they choose to serve, or fight for our country, so we can enjoy the freedom we do have...  my son is leaving for Iraq very soon and I must say that I am proud of him to think we are worth fighting for....US Flag