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Why the sudden concern with anonymity ?

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Posted: March 31, 2007, 10:24 am - IP Logged

Wishing to remain anonymous has always been a popular topic and is the best self defense. If you don’t look out for yourself, no-one else will!

 

As soon as the media announces your name every charity, needy person, ex-lover, ex-spouse, long lost friend, stalker, or charlatan will send you a letter, try to contact you, or have his or her hand out. Angry, jealous, and unethical co-workers who prefer to sue rather than play in the office pool will crawl out from underneath the various rocks they were under.

 

The really smart crooks and thieves will try to claim they slipped and broke their hip in front of your house because of your negligence.  As a result, they are entitled to a percentage of your lottery wins for their pain and suffering.

 

Just read the articles about the Irish woman Dolores McNamara from Euro Millions, Jack Whittaker from Powerball, and the numerous office pool law suits.

 

Remaining anonymous stops all the non sense noted above dead in its tracks before it can even start!!!

"Limerick priest Father Joe Young warned Dolores last week that she had 'no future' with her winnings and urged her to give every penny to charity. Her response so far has been to disappear along with her family and her huge windfall."

The freaks come out at night lol!!!

Sun Smiley I got my fingers crossed ready to win!!! Sun Smiley

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    Posted: March 31, 2007, 9:11 pm - IP Logged

    IF they allowed winners to remain anonymous, I GUARANTEE YOU that all of you would start asking questions after the 10th, 15th, 20th, etc.  lottery winners went unannounced.

    Someone wins 360 mill, and nobody knows who.

    Someone wins 400 mill, and nobody knows.

    Several people win several 150 mill jackpots over the course of 2-3 years, and nobody knows who, I KNOW people will start asking questions, and don't even try to say you would not be wondering yourselves.

    Don't want to be famous ?   You know the rules, the stipulation: don't play. Everyone knows this going in. 

    As I keep saying over and over, you folks only read about the bad stuff that happens to a very small percentage of winners, aside from those infamous people, you can't tell me a thing about anyone that has been in the news (for the wrong reasons) in the last 2-3 years, can you ?

    I'd bet the things that have happened to those infamous people would have happened irregardless of if they won the lottery or not, but maybe not on the same scale. You are either equipped to handle 'life', or you are not, it's that simple. 

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      Posted: April 2, 2007, 2:24 am - IP Logged

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      If all the winners were anonymous, the news agencies would never 'cover' it anymore, and ticket sales would plunge. More people buy tickets when they see on the TV News or hear on the Radio News that the jackpot is 150 mill or more - especially when it gets over 200 mill.

      They won't publicize it on the news if they can't publicize the winner: kinda imagine all the publicity leading up to the Daytona 500, seeing it in the news every day, but you are forbidden to release any results after the event - EVER.     Nobody would even bother covering the 500 anymore. 

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        Posted: April 2, 2007, 7:16 am - IP Logged

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        If all the winners were anonymous, the news agencies would never 'cover' it anymore, and ticket sales would plunge. More people buy tickets when they see on the TV News or hear on the Radio News that the jackpot is 150 mill or more - especially when it gets over 200 mill.

        They won't publicize it on the news if they can't publicize the winner: kinda imagine all the publicity leading up to the Daytona 500, seeing it in the news every day, but you are forbidden to release any results after the event - EVER.     Nobody would even bother covering the 500 anymore. 

        It has not slowed down the sales in these states

        (KS, MD, ND, DE, SC, LA, NH, OH, OK, PA)

        In fact I will travel to one of these states just for the opportunity to stay anonymous.

        even though I would have to pay more taxes.

        I would rather have the opportunity to stay anonymous over the  tax rate.

         

         

        BTW

        Why don't you give your real name in your posts?

        or is Gusser your real name?

        Hummmm

         

        Why are you concern about remaining anonymous on Lottery Post?

        Do as I say not as I do?

        Hiding Behind Computer

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          Posted: April 2, 2007, 6:38 pm - IP Logged

          The big question is why no anonymity.  There isn't a valid reason why winners should be made public if they choose not to be. It will only be a matter of time before a winner is told they can't be anonymous and then something bad happens to them. The lottery at that point would be fully culpable.

          I think if a winner want's to go for the Operah route and be public after the win then that would be their business and their problem. Winners should always have a choice if they want to take the risks of being in the pubic eye or not. 

          You forgot Washington state. They print the name of the winner but since trusts can win they will only print the name of the trust and that the winner wishes to be anonymous. That and no state income tax. 

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            Posted: April 2, 2007, 10:30 pm - IP Logged

            It has not slowed down the sales in these states

            (KS, MD, ND, DE, SC, LA, NH, OH, OK, PA)

            In fact I will travel to one of these states just for the opportunity to stay anonymous.

            even though I would have to pay more taxes.

            I would rather have the opportunity to stay anonymous over the  tax rate.

             

             

            BTW

            Why don't you give your real name in your posts?

            or is Gusser your real name?

            Hummmm

             

            Why are you concern about remaining anonymous on Lottery Post?

            Do as I say not as I do?

            Hiding Behind Computer

            You need to do more research on where you can play PB and remain anonymous:

            All but three states (DE, KS, ND) have laws that require the lottery to release the name and city of residence to anyone who asks.

             And who on earth cares who I am, or who anyone else is ?   ...  I know what you are trying to get at: if I'm so gung-ho on not remaining anonymous, then why am I anonymous on here...... nice try, but you are comparing apples to oranges.  If the rules on LP were that a person HAD to use a real name - one that could be verified - and I/we knew that when signing up, then I would, but since it isn't required, I don't have to. It's different when you play the lottery - you know going in your name will be publicized, depending on what state you live in/cash the ticket in.  PS - there are quite a few people on here who know my real name, does it matter ?  I could give you a name, how will you verify it ? Meet me in-person and I'd be more than happy to share my entire life story with you....

            Let me know..... 

            Besides, you have a MUCH greater chance of being killed in a car wreck traveling to a different state to play the game than you do winning it, but I already know you don't care about those odds. 

            And besides, if you really read what I said, I said in 2-3 years I would think it would have an adverse effect, but we will never know, will we ? 

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              Posted: April 2, 2007, 11:50 pm - IP Logged

              The big question is why no anonymity.  There isn't a valid reason why winners should be made public if they choose not to be. It will only be a matter of time before a winner is told they can't be anonymous and then something bad happens to them. The lottery at that point would be fully culpable.

              I think if a winner want's to go for the Operah route and be public after the win then that would be their business and their problem. Winners should always have a choice if they want to take the risks of being in the pubic eye or not. 

              You forgot Washington state. They print the name of the winner but since trusts can win they will only print the name of the trust and that the winner wishes to be anonymous. That and no state income tax. 

              No, they would not be fully culpable, or culpable in any way, because nobody is forcing anyone to play: you know the rules or you don't play.

              Casinos win 97% of the time - I know this - I don't go to casinos - my choice.

              Lottery - I know the odds, and I know if I win I will be publicized, and I vote to play.

              My choice, my business, my 'problem', if I should ever be so lucky as to have to worry about it. 

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                You need to do more research on where you can play PB and remain anonymous:

                All but three states (DE, KS, ND) have laws that require the lottery to release the name and city of residence to anyone who asks.

                 And who on earth cares who I am, or who anyone else is ?   ...  I know what you are trying to get at: if I'm so gung-ho on not remaining anonymous, then why am I anonymous on here...... nice try, but you are comparing apples to oranges.  If the rules on LP were that a person HAD to use a real name - one that could be verified - and I/we knew that when signing up, then I would, but since it isn't required, I don't have to. It's different when you play the lottery - you know going in your name will be publicized, depending on what state you live in/cash the ticket in.  PS - there are quite a few people on here who know my real name, does it matter ?  I could give you a name, how will you verify it ? Meet me in-person and I'd be more than happy to share my entire life story with you....

                Let me know..... 

                Besides, you have a MUCH greater chance of being killed in a car wreck traveling to a different state to play the game than you do winning it, but I already know you don't care about those odds. 

                And besides, if you really read what I said, I said in 2-3 years I would think it would have an adverse effect, but we will never know, will we ? 

                If you go to the Powerball website and look up past winners

                 2006

                Anonymous
                Kansas     September 27, 2006     Cash     $15,000,000.00 annuity
                $7,170,172.08 cash

                You will also notice under 2004 winners a anonymous South Carolina 

                Care to tell us who those persons are? 

                 Anonymous
                South Carolina     June 26, 2004     Cash     $34,231,030.83

                Coffee

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                  Posted: April 3, 2007, 10:52 am - IP Logged

                  If you go to the Powerball website and look up past winners

                   2006

                  Anonymous
                  Kansas     September 27, 2006     Cash     $15,000,000.00 annuity
                  $7,170,172.08 cash

                  You will also notice under 2004 winners a anonymous South Carolina 

                  Care to tell us who those persons are? 

                   Anonymous
                  South Carolina     June 26, 2004     Cash     $34,231,030.83

                  Coffee

                  If you go to the Powerball website and research it as I said, here it is verbatim:

                   

                  CAN I REMAIN ANONYMOUS WHEN I HIT THE JACKPOT?

                  All but three states (DE, KS, ND) have laws that require the lottery to release the name and city of residence to anyone who asks. One state (SC) will keep your name secret if you request it, but if someone files a Freedom of Information Act request, you may have to file a plea with the judge to deny it. Photos and press conferences are always up to you. Most of the time, it is advisable to get it over with the press so that you don't have one or more reporters following you around to get that "exclusive" interview. A few more lotteries may work with you on setting up a trust or other partnership. You or your representative should contact the lottery for the details after you win.

                   

                  So there's your explanation on the SC one.

                  I'm kinda disappointed - I really figured you would actually research it.

                  Silly me. 

                  I never said NO states allow you to remain anonymous, but you listed 10 states as allowing anonymity, when I knew it (dare I say a lot of us here ? so shoot me...) was only 3. 

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                    The big question is why no anonymity.  There isn't a valid reason why winners should be made public if they choose not to be. It will only be a matter of time before a winner is told they can't be anonymous and then something bad happens to them. The lottery at that point would be fully culpable.

                    I think if a winner want's to go for the Operah route and be public after the win then that would be their business and their problem. Winners should always have a choice if they want to take the risks of being in the pubic eye or not. 

                    You forgot Washington state. They print the name of the winner but since trusts can win they will only print the name of the trust and that the winner wishes to be anonymous. That and no state income tax. 

                    I think people are too paranoid with this anonymity thing...everyone knows that most all celebrities, pro athletes, and top level business people are wealthy...those who run into trouble are those who 1) went looking for it (why frequent a night club at 1 AM when u know there are drunk people and opportunistic people all around...don't even start with the strip clubs and guns), 2) didn't surround themselves with a trusted team of legal, investment, and tax advisors, and 3) those who put out the welcome mat for people to take advantage of them (i.e. your typical lottery winner who says he/she will blah, blah, blah and take care of my family AND friends).  When charities come calling with names that closely resemble legit charities, I tell them now that I only give to charities that I seek out, not the other way around.  Now if some investment advisor came calling (and I already wasn't in the business of doing that myself), before I would invest one red cent, I would ask for a prospectus of any investment he/she recommended; if he/she can't produce a prospectus, then there would be NO investment on my part (you hear about athletes losing their money in hedge funds (unregulated) and certain real estate deals all the time.  I would actually smile for the media as it could only help someone who knows what they are doing (everyone knows that Tiger is phenomenally wealthy and he knows what he is doing...he definitely knew what he was doing when he married Elin...but you will notice that TW is not always in the public eye...JW should have learned something from TW...then again, JW's sport of choice is strip clubs, not golf clubs!).  I tell you when I win, you and everyone will know about it.  I will even mention Lottery Post in my press release!

                    Get MONEY!!! Winning a JACKPOT lottery is all the HOPE and CHANGE I desire!!!  NOW give me MONEY!US Flag

                    The guy who won the presidency in 2008 really won the lottery...he is now millions richer, travels in first class style, and even has a staff that would be the envy of the richest Powerball winner (she has a staff of 2). Every night he goes to sleep, he probably plays the close of Dave Chappelle's Show: I'm rich beyatch!

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                      Also, do you not think that those jackpot winners who appeared on those A&E programs (Jackpot Millionaires, etc) got paid to appear?  America is the land of opportunity, and every opportunity I have to capitalize on my lottery win, I will take it.  Besides, the people I wouldn't want to know about my lottery win don't watch those shows, and for my intial media exposure, I would make it not so interesting so as to not get launched all over CNN or other national news networks...actually I would make it so non newsworthy that even the local CBS, ABC, NBC and even WGN and FOX will decline to air it here locally.

                      Get MONEY!!! Winning a JACKPOT lottery is all the HOPE and CHANGE I desire!!!  NOW give me MONEY!US Flag

                      The guy who won the presidency in 2008 really won the lottery...he is now millions richer, travels in first class style, and even has a staff that would be the envy of the richest Powerball winner (she has a staff of 2). Every night he goes to sleep, he probably plays the close of Dave Chappelle's Show: I'm rich beyatch!

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                        Posted: April 3, 2007, 12:06 pm - IP Logged

                        If you go to the Powerball website and research it as I said, here it is verbatim:

                         

                        CAN I REMAIN ANONYMOUS WHEN I HIT THE JACKPOT?

                        All but three states (DE, KS, ND) have laws that require the lottery to release the name and city of residence to anyone who asks. One state (SC) will keep your name secret if you request it, but if someone files a Freedom of Information Act request, you may have to file a plea with the judge to deny it. Photos and press conferences are always up to you. Most of the time, it is advisable to get it over with the press so that you don't have one or more reporters following you around to get that "exclusive" interview. A few more lotteries may work with you on setting up a trust or other partnership. You or your representative should contact the lottery for the details after you win.

                         

                        So there's your explanation on the SC one.

                        I'm kinda disappointed - I really figured you would actually research it.

                        Silly me. 

                        I never said NO states allow you to remain anonymous, but you listed 10 states as allowing anonymity, when I knew it (dare I say a lot of us here ? so shoot me...) was only 3. 

                        guesser...it might be good for you to retrace your steps in this thread.  When amsoly41 mentioned there were 10 states that allowed anonymity there was no mention of it just being for Powerball.  You narrowed it down to Powerball. In order to get the true picture it would be best to include other states beyond those that offer Powerball. 

                        Here is what I have come up with by reviewing both the Mega Millions and Powerball web sites.  I have also listed those states that allow blind trusts.  While technically not anonymous, it would accomplish the same intent of anonymity, that the winner's name not be released to the general public/media.  Note, some of the policies may have changed in a given lottery since the the winner listed on the site was able to remain anonymous or able to claim via a blind trust.  Also,  there maybe a state that allows one of these options that hasn't had a Powerball or Mega Millions jackpot winner.

                        ANONYMOUS

                        POWERBALL:   KS, ND, DE, SC (with the FOIA notation)

                        MEGA MILLIONS:  MD


                        BLIND TRUST 

                        POWERBALL:  LA, NH, OK, PA

                        MEGA MILLIONS:  OH

                        For those states that don't play either game, Florida for instance, I am not aware of a lottery that allows the winner to remain either anonymous or claim via a blind trust.  If anyone knows that this information is incorrect or needs updating, please post the corrected information.  It would be nice to know all of those states where your name would not be released.  Who knows, should my travels bring me through one of those states I might throw down a few extra dollars and become a unknown winner!!!

                        guesser, if one were to inquire as to where someone could win a large jackpot and remain unknown, there are 10 states where this could happen, just what amsoly41 posted.

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                          BLIND TRUST 

                          POWERBALL:  LA, NH, OK, PA

                          I don't know if Pennsylvania allows anonymity through a blind trust.  It's obvious that the other states allow anonymity, because of the numerous anonymous claimants from those states in the past. 

                          Smart lottery winners form trust to claim their winnings.  They send an attorney to the lottery headquarters to claim the prize in trust, so that ONLY the name of the trust is revealed.  And they tell NO ONE, especially relatives.

                          If you ever win a lottery and you are single, the only person you should ever marry is someone who was truly in love with you BEFORE you won the jackpot!

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                            I think when the recent MM jackpot hit $390M a lot of people started playing the game and thinking about what to do if they won.  Now that both MM and PB jackpots are less than $100M those people probably aren't playing or concern about being anonymous if they win less than $100M.  Hopefully they will have all that settled by the time either of those jackpot roll to $250M+ again and be really to just play the games.

                             * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                               
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                              rundown...here is the update on PA.  You can claim as a trust, but it looks like the trust owners will be identified.  That what what happened with the LTS Trust who won in Decmebr of 2004.  (I think this same policy is used by Massachusetts.)

                              Therefore it does not look like PA is a state where you can remain unknown.