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Would you go For Humans to draw the Balls?

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Would you go For Humans to draw the balls?

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Posted: March 22, 2007, 11:13 am - IP Logged

Would you go ForHumans to draw the balls..just your average Joe off the street to reach in a grab the ball..no pre=testing or anything..what do you think..would that be a good idea or bad idea and why..please dont say for cheating..how can a stranger off the street whos only job is to reach in and grab one ball while the balls are moving around in mid-air is cheating..

"Attention all Mathematicians: Check your degree at the door because when it comes to whole numbers you are the Amateur"

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    Posted: March 22, 2007, 11:17 am - IP Logged

    Would you go ForHumans to draw the balls..just your average Joe off the street to reach in a grab the ball..no pre=testing or anything..what do you think..would that be a good idea or bad idea and why..please dont say for cheating..how can a stranger off the street whos only job is to reach in and grab one ball while the balls are moving around in mid-air is cheating..

    Absolutely NOT.  WAAAAAAYYYYYYY to much room for error and "what ifs."  Like, what if the person ran off with the ball?  What if the person grabbed more than one ball?  What if the person crushes the ball?  What if the person MARKS THE OTHER BALLS?

    I'll pass on this one.

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      Posted: March 22, 2007, 11:23 am - IP Logged

      ran off with the balls..LOL..never thought of that one..I guess there are some stupid ass idiots out there that would Probably Try that..lol..

      "Attention all Mathematicians: Check your degree at the door because when it comes to whole numbers you are the Amateur"

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        Posted: March 22, 2007, 12:11 pm - IP Logged

        I think people in general are fallible. On average, most people are honest. History clearly points to multiple occasions of how easily it is for someone in power to manipulate things to make it more favorable for themselves. At least the current ball draw method keeps the draw clean and simple.

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          Posted: March 22, 2007, 1:27 pm - IP Logged

          Great Idea! I was thinking along these lines myself recently.

          I was watching NJs Green Ball Double Draw recently, and it became fairly obvious that when it came time to do the Green Ball Double Draw Drawing that the Drawing Moderator was watching the Balls whirling within the Chamber. It appeared that they waited for the Ball (6 white, 1 green) to be Drawn that night to be the closest to the Draw Chute before opening the door that allows the ball to rise to the top of the chute.

          A mind once stretched by a new idea never returns to its original dimensions!

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            I think it's a wonderful idea.  I also think lotteries should discontinue the pre-tests.  As long as the balls are carefully weighed & measured before each drawing, then there is no reason for them.

            Sure, some idiot could run away with a ball.  However, I've always wanted the Florida Lottery to choose students to draw the balls, since they claim the money goes to education.  They no longer have live drawings on television here.  (Someone please correct me if I am wrong.)  However, people love watching kids, so they could have a spelling bee and 6 winners from around the state would win the opportunity to be on television and draw a ball. 

            That said, I wonder what would happen if the child's uncle won $50 million?  I guess if they used "regular" people, they'd have to make sure there was no conflict, or the possibility of one. I'm pretty sure none of the people involved with the lottery or their families can play. 

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              Posted: March 22, 2007, 1:58 pm - IP Logged

              Absolutely NOT.  WAAAAAAYYYYYYY to much room for error and "what ifs."  Like, what if the person ran off with the ball?  What if the person grabbed more than one ball?  What if the person crushes the ball?  What if the person MARKS THE OTHER BALLS?

              I'll pass on this one.

              LOL what if the person grabs his own.  HAHA aint nobody winning with that!

              ~Probability=Odds in Motion~

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                Posted: March 22, 2007, 2:55 pm - IP Logged

                The draw method used is OK, , but perhaps not the pre-draws, but more important  the lotteries should not hold their own drawings, all the state on the USA should be hold by one central "Non Interested Party" maybe even a non-profit organization, people with no government connections of any kind, without any kind of connections to anybody, period, the general public and the media should alway be present before during and after the draws.

                The draws, including the predraws, should be live on TV as they are being held or done.

                Anybody at any time should be able to walk in there and take a look, of course, if too many people want to, then some restrictions should apply.

                Would you let your opponent pick the winning numbers?

                The lotteries are anything, but neutral and uninterested, they are your opponents, the less money that you win, the more money that they rake in.

                Lotteries always complaining  that they are not making enough BILLIONS and they always want more and yet more, they are insatiable, they can never have enough.

                Perhaps you think that they are your friends and there to make you rich and quick.

                Lotteries are there to take your money and keep it, the house always wins (One way or another, whatever it takes)

                You want to keep your money? Then don't play! It is the only sure way, otherwise, Donate, Donate and Donate again.

                I go by this: "If you can't win a game (For whatever the reason) then don't play it" .

                One should have anough reason to believe that a game is honest and that it can really be won (Fair Game), that a long term profit can really be made by a smart player, if not (Of course) by the average person (As the money (Your profit and the lotteries') has to come from somewhere).

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                  Posted: March 22, 2007, 3:01 pm - IP Logged

                  Well..I would really belooking to kill the pre-test..that is whats messing up everything..IF..and I am only saying IF..they pretest the big games also and my numbers came out during a pretest I have been playing for years..I WOULD BE PISSED..TO THE POINT I would want to cause some furniture to be moving around..lol..the odds are to the point now that the public needs a damn break..and those pre-test draws are messing up all of the natural forming sequences..and I believe they know it..because you can bet your ass onething right now..IF YOUR BIG GAME NUMBERS came out on a pre-test draw..YOU BETTER FIND YOU SOME NEW NUMBERS..

                  "Attention all Mathematicians: Check your degree at the door because when it comes to whole numbers you are the Amateur"

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                    Posted: March 22, 2007, 3:24 pm - IP Logged

                    Absolutely not.  Lotteries go to great lengths to assure all balls weigh in at certain weight tolerances, dimensions, etc., handled by lottery officials performing drawings with gloves, plus other security precautions.  A "Joe off the street" could dent or damage balls they touch thereby totally undoing all precautions lotteries rigorously undertake to make sure all drawings are random.

                    Pre and post testing is done as an additional assurance that no one has tampered with ballsets inserting/exchanging one or more outside allowed tolerances to achieve their intended results.

                    Wish all lotteries would post pre and post test info on their websites, or at least have it in current pdf format.

                    Good luck to everyone!

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                      Absolutely not.  Lotteries go to great lengths to assure all balls weigh in at certain weight tolerances, dimensions, etc., handled by lottery officials performing drawings with gloves, plus other security precautions.  A "Joe off the street" could dent or damage balls they touch thereby totally undoing all precautions lotteries rigorously undertake to make sure all drawings are random.

                      Pre and post testing is done as an additional assurance that no one has tampered with ballsets inserting/exchanging one or more outside allowed tolerances to achieve their intended results.

                      Wish all lotteries would post pre and post test info on their websites, or at least have it in current pdf format.

                      I Agree!

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                        I am glad they don't publish the pre-test picks on the FL web site.  If they do, I am begging everyone NOT to send me the link. LOL  Konane, you must be a little more emotionally stable than I.  LOL 

                        I once saw on the TX site the 5 pre-test combinations picked.  I thought "the last thing in the world I'd want to see are the numbers I've played for years and years!" 

                        This is an interesting subject for me.  We had this discussion about a year ago about whether or not it has an effect on the "randomness" of the draws.  Some members said it doesn't matter.  I think I'll search the archives for that thread.

                        Edit:  Maybe someone else will have better luck.  I can only one from June 2006 with one page about TX and FL pre-tests.  Personally, I don't approve of them, no matter how many people say they are for our own protection to keep the games fair & square.

                        So, does this mean the Raffle game (that had to be computerized, right?) had "pre-tests" to make sure one particular store or town didn't get the lion's share of the pot?  How much control does the lottery have on who wins and who doesn't? They know where the winning scratch tickets are sent.  How random really is it? 

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                          "Pre and post testing is done as an additional assurance that no one has tampered with ballsets inserting/exchanging one or more outside allowed tolerances to achieve their intended results."

                           

                          Konane, I had actually completed my post before I saw yours and Emily's comments.  I then edited mine to add that remark about you being saner (or maybe it's me being more neurotic! lol)   But I really agree that, on the one hand, pre-tests provide much needed security.  On the other, I don't like them, because I think taking careful measures to weigh and measure the balls before each drawing would eliminate any tampering. 

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                            Congratulations. You've posted an excellent argument in favor of eliminating humans from the process as much as possible.

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                              Absolutely not.  Lotteries go to great lengths to assure all balls weigh in at certain weight tolerances, dimensions, etc., handled by lottery officials performing drawings with gloves, plus other security precautions.  A "Joe off the street" could dent or damage balls they touch thereby totally undoing all precautions lotteries rigorously undertake to make sure all drawings are random.

                              Pre and post testing is done as an additional assurance that no one has tampered with ballsets inserting/exchanging one or more outside allowed tolerances to achieve their intended results.

                              Wish all lotteries would post pre and post test info on their websites, or at least have it in current pdf format.

                              yeah..if they gave you the pre-test that would cool..then you could see if the numbers you have chosen to play for the future has/has not came out yet...with some of those big games having millions and millions of combinations..YEAH I WANT THOSE PRE-TEST numbers..I would think that would have to be considered public information and allowable to the public..seems like it anyway..or another way to look at it..you know you always here.."You ahve to wait til its your turn to win"..or some prfound statement like that..lol..well what if it was your turn to win and your numbers were in the pre-test..that set of numbers may not come back out again for 10,000 years..10,00 years is not that far off considering you may never see all of the pic 4 combinations in your lifetime..and that is only 10,000 combinations..

                              "Attention all Mathematicians: Check your degree at the door because when it comes to whole numbers you are the Amateur"