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I Have No Problem Paying Federal Taxes If I Win The Jackpot.

Topic closed. 24 replies. Last post 11 years ago by irondoor827.

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Posted: June 26, 2007, 11:22 am - IP Logged



Good article.


Is the 16th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution illegal?

Yes, according to We the People Foundation for Constitutional Education.

You can reach the Foundation at this website: WWW.GIVEMELIBERTY.ORG.

The nonprofit Foundation has been trying unsuccessfully for years to get answers from the President of the United States, the Speaker of the House of Representatives, the U.S. Senate Majority Leader on the legality of the 16th Amendment, which is the federal income tax.

In 1913, the United States Secretary of State, Philander Knox, “committed fraud” when he declared the 16th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution had been “legally ratified,” the People Foundation charges.

It was never “legally ratified, with evidence to prove it,” the Foundation contends.

In 1913, there were 38 States in the Union. There is no legal documentation that the majority of the 38 States ratified the 16th Amendment in the “exact wording” submitted to the States by U.S. Secretary of State Philander Knox, according to documents discovered by the People Foundation.

Some States did not even bother to respond to the 16th Amendment proposal, according to Robert Schultz of the People Foundation, and former IRS Agent Joseph Banister, who have researched the controversial tax issue for the Foundation, along with Constitutional scholars and legal organizations throughout the nation.

“The Constitution of the United States is all that stands between the people and tyranny,” the Foundation declared. “What does a free people do when faced with evidence of ratification of fraud?  The Constitution tells the people to address their grievances with their government. But what does a free people do when their government doesn’t listen, or respond?”

Under the federal law as written, only foreigners working in the U.S., or U.S. citizens working abroad, are legally required to pay federal income taxes. And employers are not required to withhold federal income taxes.

“When taxpayers sign their tax returns, he or she voluntarily waives his or her 5th Amendment right not to be a witness against him or herself,” the Foundation explained.

The Foundation put these issues before the White and Congress for the first time on April 13, 2000 – two days before the filing of federal income taxes on April 15.

“After attempts to get them to respond failed on April 27, May 19 and June 2, 2000, We the People Foundation decided to take the issue directly to our elected representatives through the people of the United States themselves,” the Foundation announced June 29, 2000 at a Conference on the Legality of the Income Tax at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C.

Then President Bill Clinton, Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott, and House Speaker Dennis Hastert were invited to the Income Tax Conference to represent the Federal Government.

None of the nation’s highest political leaders bothered to show up with evidence that the 16th Amendment was “legally ratified” by the States, the People Foundation reported.

“As Americans, we expect our elected representatives, whether in the Congress or in the White House, to respond to our needs and answer legitimate questions that are placed before them by the electorate,” Foundation officials stated. “Over the past decade, a number of groups have posed some very serious questions regarding the legality of the federal income tax. Americans from all the 50 States are now tired of being deliberately ignored on this issue,” the Foundation said.

The Clinton White House, after initially accepting the Foundation’s invitation to discuss the income tax matter in a public forum, reneged on their commitment, stating: “The legality of the income tax is not a high priority at the White House. Therefore, we have decided not to participate in any conference on the subject.”

The Foundation has been calling on the people’s representatives in Congress to address the income tax issue, but to no avail.

Frankly, federal officials, who make salaries way over $140,000 a year with platinum benefits for life after a few years in public office, do not want anything to do with an investigation that will reveal the 16th Amendment was never “legally ratified” by the States.

If the Federal Government acknowledges in any way that the ratification was a fraud, the Federal Government would have to shut down.

The income tax is the big, fat piggy bank that pays their big salaries and premium benefits, and for all those bloated bureaucracies sucking the lifeblood out of America’s taxpayers.

Taxpayers, finally, are demanding answers and evidence to what may turn out to be the biggest crime of the 20th Century – an illegal tax that keeps getting bigger and bigger each year, bankrupting individuals, families, businesses and institutions.

That’s not the American way.

Call your representatives in Congress and demand the facts on the federal income tax!

This could spark the second American Revolution against an oppressive government that, like any monarchy or dictatorship, thinks it is above the law.

Americans can no longer afford a lawless government!

(Gordon Bishop, a national award-winning author, historian and syndicated columnist, is New Jersey’s first “Journalist-of-the-Year” – 1986/New Jersey Press Association.)

by Gordon Bishop

How could it possibly be a good article when the author obviously doesn't even know how the amendment process works?

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    Posted: June 26, 2007, 11:35 am - IP Logged

    Flat tax. Still the greatest country on the Earth.

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      June 16, 2006
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      Posted: June 28, 2007, 10:30 am - IP Logged

      Listen, there should be a flat tax, period.

      Tax you - tax me - tax everyone at 28% and leave it at that.

      I don't know about any of you, but if I can't afford something, I skip it, or buy it cheaper.

      But not the Gov't - they seem to be incapable of cutting back any of THEIR OWN benefits.

      And then we have this so-called 'war' that we are spending about 800 million a day on........

      But as I said, if you are going to tax my wages at 28%, then you should tax my gambling winnings at 28% also, not 56%.

      The extra 28% I get to keep is going to get put back into the economy anyway... 

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        Posted: June 28, 2007, 6:39 pm - IP Logged

        Gosh KFloyd, I read your small snippet and realized that IN NO WAY is our government that simple in its terminology. So I did some research. SirBrad comes closes to the truth in his research response.

        To those who live here in America, pay if ya want, or dont. There is NO Law on federal income collection. Amendments (especially the 16th") has been revised  and still continues to be revised as new cases are brought to the Supreme Court. So KFloyd save your travel time in collecting that reward. Their are lawyers still in courts fighting this very issue.

        If anyone did an econ class they would understand that a flat tax of 7% by every LEGAL citizen of the USA would be enough to run the govt and state programs. Problem is, we dont tax illegal immigrants yet we reward them with our federal and state funded programs. Illegle immigrants dont pay federal/state income tax since they dont carry a soc sec #.  Not sure why someone said 28% but the politicians would LOVE to have you on their team to present for re structuring the tax scale.

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          Posted: June 28, 2007, 7:17 pm - IP Logged

          The Browns are right, the 16th amendment was not ratified.

          To anyone who dis-believe this, prove it.

          You can Prove the 16th Amendment  was ratified by producing the signed bills of Ratification from every State, Secretary of State Philander Knox reported as ratifying the 16th. You can start with Kentucky.

          Go On I Dare Anyone To Prove It. Blue Angel


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            Posted: June 28, 2007, 7:25 pm - IP Logged

            The GameGrl wites: If anyone did an econ class they would understand that a flat tax of 7% by every LEGAL citizen of the USA would be enough to run the govt and state programs. Problem is, we dont tax illegal immigrants yet we reward them with our federal and state funded programs. Illegle immigrants dont pay federal/state income tax since they dont carry a soc sec #.  Not sure why someone said 28% but the politicians would LOVE to have you on their team to present for re structuring the tax scale.

            I agree.  I can't say for sure that 7% would be sufficient but I do believe there are way too many people who aren't paying their fair share, meaning nothing at all, including illegal immigrants.  Regarding a flat tax of 28%,  I can't imagine someone in a low income bracket paying that much especially in the states that also have income tax.  There are plenty of people who make under $20,000 a year and have families. Imagine if they had to pay 28% income tax along with state tax.

            It's not just the illegal immigrants who don't contribute. There is also a lot of abuse by U.S. Citizens.  I've met several people who admit to paying no tax at all and others who collect disability checks or accept government assistance while spending their money on booze, drugs or toys.  There are also a lot of people who work for cash and that income isn't taxed unless they report it (or get caught which is unlikely)   I hope nobody misinterprets my words, since I understand that many of us need assistance because of injury, illness, disaster or personal loss.  I'm talking about the cheaters.

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              Posted: June 28, 2007, 7:33 pm - IP Logged

              I agree, but the 2 things Paris Hilton and I have in common (probably the only 2) are that I'm blonde and I would have a nervous breakdown in prison.

              BTW, does this have anything to do with the couple in NH who got sentenced to 63 months in prison recently?  They are still refusing to surrender themselves to authorities.   They told the IRS to go F-themselves.  I used to live in NH!  Guess they are living by the state motto "Live Free or Die"  No state taxes in NH, no sales tax either (although they tax interest & dividends)  Too cold for me however.

              Yah Hoo for the couple in NH. What would the Government do if all rebuked to pay their taxes? sentence everyone to 63 months in prison? It was good to hear that someone finally had the intestinal fortitude to tell them to go F--- themselves.

              As for all you nay sayers the 16th amendment was never ratified by all the states....


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                Posted: June 29, 2007, 2:05 pm - IP Logged

                There is some problems , in Brazil the jackpot is paid for the winners. The only "extra" tax that there is is the CPMF 0,38% over all financial operations ...

                The main problem is that the money is not re-passed to the hospitals or medical programs. Example , the Brazilian govern is not paying the U.S.A. for the drugs against H.I.V.  

                Tax for (most if not) all operations in the Banks.

                And I think that Double Taxation is ILLEGAL...


                The H.I.V. tail (Brasil and U.S.A.) , Brasil has a similar problem when Bolivia didn't had the intention to pay the money for Brasil in that gas / energy dispute. The problem is that somethings sounds like plain wrong , the value of the disputes is not that great anyway compared to the Federal Lotteries ... 

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                  Posted: June 29, 2007, 10:03 pm - IP Logged

                  Almost every country in the world has tax-free lottery jackpots. Japan, Europe, Canada, etc. Only the US with our idiot congress doesn't have this.

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                    Posted: June 29, 2007, 10:21 pm - IP Logged

                    Look I have no problem paying the taxes on a Jackpot.


                    But paying Federal Taxes on the fruits of your labour--is indeed a kind of Slavery. Thus I support Brown, do you?


                    More people needs to stand up to these  Criminals.


                    What is your opinion will you pay taxes on your jackpot? 

                    well  here  is  the  constitution  as  outlined :

                    U.S. Constitution - Amendment 16
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                    Amendment 16 - Status of Income Tax Clarified

                    The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

                    Notes for this amendment:
                    Proposed 7/12/1909
                    Ratified 2/3/1913
                    Article 1, Section 9

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