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POLL: 'Moral' obligation for a jackpot winner

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Does a jackpot winner have a moral obligation to leave their job?

Yes [ 1 ]  [1.45%]
No [ 34 ]  [49.28%]
Not sure [ 4 ]  [5.80%]
LET ME FIND OUT! [ 10 ]  [14.49%]
Yes, heck yes, they have to quit! [ 1 ]  [1.45%]
Eventually they'll quit anyway [ 16 ]  [23.19%]
Our society really produces robots, doesn't it? [ 1 ]  [1.45%]
Other, explain if you will. [ 2 ]  [2.90%]
Total Valid Votes [ 69 ]  
Discarded Votes [ 3 ]  
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Posted: June 27, 2007, 10:19 am - IP Logged

What says he doesn't? I did mention run of the mill blue collar or white collar job.

All too many of us do whatever we do by rote. Once you're trained for a job it just becomes repititious.

Very few get to be really creative or to really use their minds.

Since that's the average person that's the type job I'm talking about.

My jobs were the Army, refinery work, the post office, and casino work. Had I hit a jackpot when I was working I would have walked from any of those. I think anybody would have.

For the sake of discussion, let's take something like the post office.  At any given moment they have thousands of applications of people waiting to get hired. That's what I mean by "freeing" up the job. 

I should have realized that people who see themselves winning a billion also see themselves as CEO's, despite what they're really doing. 

Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

Lep

There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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    Posted: June 27, 2007, 11:33 am - IP Logged

    Well that's a little harsh.

    As far as head out of the sand and 60's rose colored glasses, you've got the wrong guy, pal...in the 60's I was in the freaking jungles in Viet Nam getting rocketed and mortatred, and you?

    I find it quite interesting that all I did was pose a question and am getting jumped on by a lot of people. Yeesh.

    I guess actual discussions will always take second place to "What I'd do with a billion". Yeesh. 

    Lesson learned.

    Surely you're not actually surprised at the results you got. You asked about morals in a group where the majority think they're still in the 3rd grade and that if they find somebody else's property they get to keep it. Why would you really expect that many of them would feel a need to meet a moral obligation to anyone else when it would interfere with one of their rights? Not that a bunch of them actually understand that distinction, of course. For those that don't understand, if you go to the beach you have a right to stay out of the water, so feel free to just sit on your self-absorbed butt while some 2 year old drowns 10 feet away.

    For my part I've long felt that quitting your job is the right and moral thing to do if you win enough that the income is no longer necessary. If I particularly enjoyed the job, or I needed it to be satisfied with my life I'd have absolutely no problem finding an oportunity do essentially the same thing in a volunteer setting with an organization that needs the work done but can't afford to pay for it. Giving up my job doesn't mean that somebody without a job will get it, but it would let others move up and somebody without a job would get the entry level position that opens up. Keeping the job you don't need means that somewhere down the line you're taking away something that somebody else needs. Do you have a right to keep the job anyway? Sure you do, but having the right doesn't make it right.


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      Surely you're not actually surprised at the results you got. You asked about morals in a group where the majority think they're still in the 3rd grade and that if they find somebody else's property they get to keep it. Why would you really expect that many of them would feel a need to meet a moral obligation to anyone else when it would interfere with one of their rights? Not that a bunch of them actually understand that distinction, of course. For those that don't understand, if you go to the beach you have a right to stay out of the water, so feel free to just sit on your self-absorbed butt while some 2 year old drowns 10 feet away.

      For my part I've long felt that quitting your job is the right and moral thing to do if you win enough that the income is no longer necessary. If I particularly enjoyed the job, or I needed it to be satisfied with my life I'd have absolutely no problem finding an oportunity do essentially the same thing in a volunteer setting with an organization that needs the work done but can't afford to pay for it. Giving up my job doesn't mean that somebody without a job will get it, but it would let others move up and somebody without a job would get the entry level position that opens up. Keeping the job you don't need means that somewhere down the line you're taking away something that somebody else needs. Do you have a right to keep the job anyway? Sure you do, but having the right doesn't make it right.

      You and Manzplan would get along just fine together.

      You're the authority on what definitions of bearer instruments are, and Manzplan is the authority on how someone should spend their money.

      Yokel and dokel.

      Keep handing them flyers out at the airport. I'm sure eventually, you'll have a following. Just be careful though, Janet Reno might come after you.

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        Posted: June 27, 2007, 1:56 pm - IP Logged

        Moral...Morality...ethics...funny little words.

        Perhaps in its simplest sense of definition, one could say that it is defined as being "that which is approved by reigning majority that surrounds oneself"

        Not really complicated. If one was at a nudist camp, then the wearing of clothing could "unethical" or "against one's morals".

        Yet by the very same token, within a Catholic monastery, nudity is easily considered "unethical" or "against one's morals".

        Society, be it Capitalist, Socialist, Communist or whatever can and will forever adjust the "Moral Compass" as is seen fit for the moment to suit the reigning majority.

        I recall a time when use of the word "ain't" would get you a "F" in English. Now, children are required to know how to use it within a proper sentence. Now ain't that something?

        In regards to the initial question, No, I don't think it's acceptable by any standard to be expected to quit one's job because of a financial windfall. The position I hold today I fought for with a lot of hard work and effort. Some might consider it boring. Personally, I enjoy my job. I can not say with certainty that I would not quit and seek out higher endeavors should I be blessed with a financial windfall. I do know that I would have to consider it long and hard regardless of whatever decision I make.

        As for make room for the unemployed? I personally believe at the moment, a good majority of those who are currently unemployed are so simply because they are not qualified to hold a job. And no, I know there are some incredibly over qualified people out there looking for jobs. So no, not all of the unemployed are unqualified, just most of them. And the sad part is NOT that the Companies that are hiring are refusing to train people. The really sad part is that too many of them want a 9-to-5 paycheck with paid holidays and vacations. No desire to excel at what they do. Just take that paycheck and run. The blatant "you owe me because I showed up today" attitude enrages me.

        A paycheck didn’t just happen because some fool with a few extra dollars felt like doling it out to a few others. Effort was required to generate funds for those dollars to generate each week’s paycheck. Efforts from people who like me, average 50 to 60 hour weeks for a base salary. Truth is if a few around where I work knew how nice my Christmas bonus was last year, I would be hearing a crap load of grief about how pitiful their bonus (those that did get one) was. Of course, those very same people are the one’s who will knock you down in the hall at two minutes before five to get out that door. While at the same time drag their butts in at ten minutes after eight whining about not being wealthy enough to stay home. They were not there on that holiday weekend putting in that extra effort to accomplish the task. “They have a life” is what they will tell you. I have a life as well, a reasonably nice life in spite of things.

        But hey…all of that is my personal opinion. And in my tiny little reality of the world I enjoy existing in, it is both ethically and morally correct. And no, I will not subject myself to be humble about my opinion. I will reserve being humble and meek before my Clients as I work to secure the next contract to help keep myself and my co-workers employed.

        Take care and have fun all,
        Sir Metro

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          Posted: June 27, 2007, 2:18 pm - IP Logged

          KYFloyd

          Actually I'm a little surprised that people who talk of winning $100,000,000 or a billion would argue about giving up a $25k to $150K annual income. "Go figure".

          Then again, it's extremely entertaiing knowing that most of the people saying that, if they actually hit a jackpot, wil quit in the proverbial "New York minuite".

          A wise sage once said that people who want to live forever don;t know what to do with themselves on a Sunday afternoon.

          Sir Metro

          Excellent post.  

          Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

          Lep

          There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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            Posted: June 27, 2007, 2:30 pm - IP Logged

            If an individual wants to spend his last penny of lottery winnings on hookers and booze why should anyone care?

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              Posted: June 27, 2007, 2:31 pm - IP Logged

              While i don't think it a moral obligation to keep working or quit. I do think it would be hard on the person whom won. It might cause the person a hardship as fellow workers might continuously harass you by asking for handouts and such, some might even be envious or jealous. Which can create uneasiness among coworkers. 

              In such cases leaving the job might be the best idea. All this depends on many circumstances including your job position and description. If sitting behind the desk and making a 100 grand a year or more and there is limited sweat equity or stress related issues i might consider staying there for a year. If working some labor intensive job then by all means leave and find something you might like doing that fits your lifestyle and dreams.

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                Posted: June 27, 2007, 2:39 pm - IP Logged

                You are right on, there is a lot of socialist talk right now, this person owes me this and that. This is America no one owes anyone a damn thing, it must be earned.

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                  Posted: June 27, 2007, 2:55 pm - IP Logged

                  I Agree! w/ mountainman, four4me, sir metro (good), ct.  You all said it pretty good. 

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                    The obligation isn't moral; it's pratical. If I owned my own business, and if it was more than "just a way to make money", then maybe I would keep that business as a means of some sort of fulfillment. As it is, I work a blue collar job for an hourly wage, and I would quit my job in a "New York minute" if I ever won enough money to retire on, not only to free up the job for somebody else, but also to free up myself to do the things that I want to do. I like to think that I would throw myself into some cause that would benefit others. I've always had a desire to help out the "underdogs" in our society.

                    "I've always had a desire to help out the "underdogs" in our society."

                    Such as the George Costanzas of the world? 

                    Big Smile

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                      Posted: June 27, 2007, 6:31 pm - IP Logged

                      KYFloyd

                      Actually I'm a little surprised that people who talk of winning $100,000,000 or a billion would argue about giving up a $25k to $150K annual income. "Go figure".

                      Then again, it's extremely entertaiing knowing that most of the people saying that, if they actually hit a jackpot, wil quit in the proverbial "New York minuite".

                      A wise sage once said that people who want to live forever don;t know what to do with themselves on a Sunday afternoon.

                      Sir Metro

                      Excellent post.  

                      "people who talk of winning $100,000,000 or a billion would argue about giving up a $25k to $150K annual income."

                      Yeah, but Coin Toss, that wasn't your question.

                      Does a jackpot winner have a moral obligation to leave their job?

                      I voted no.  BUT I would have quit any job I had, most likely, however not based on any moral obligation.

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                        You and Manzplan would get along just fine together.

                        You're the authority on what definitions of bearer instruments are, and Manzplan is the authority on how someone should spend their money.

                        Yokel and dokel.

                        Keep handing them flyers out at the airport. I'm sure eventually, you'll have a following. Just be careful though, Janet Reno might come after you.

                        Actually I am telling people not to let anyone tell them how to spend their money other than a good financial advisor....

                        I am telling people to beware of schemes and scams..... relatives that didn't know they had, scam charities,,,,,, siblings with sure fire schemes and too big of dreams and such.....

                        telling people to do their say 10% blow the money thing then sit on the rest for a couple of years til they get their head around having so much money......

                        IE I am telling people they should not let others tell them how to spend their jackpot......

                        And telling people they should make a list with prices of what their dreams are and they just might find out that their dreams are within reach regardless of a windfall...... besides it's a fun thing to do.

                        But if someone wants to donate to charity or buy a Bently..... all I am saying is see how much money you have and see how much doing or buying those things will cost and then see if that will hurt you before you do it.

                        all sound advice......

                        and it is advice not an order....

                        there are too many slaves in this world no need to create any more.....    ever read The Fountianhead by Ayn Rand?      give it a whirl you might understand some things if you do.

                        mind you it's just a suggestion of a book to read...... not an order from me to you :)

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                          Posted: July 1, 2007, 4:19 am - IP Logged

                          Does a jackpot winner have a 'moral' or ethical obligation to leave their job, in order to free that job up for someone who really needs it?

                          I'm talking a sizeable jackpot that would let someone retire if they wanted to. 

                          We're not talking about a business owner here, but someone working hourly wage or salary at a normal run of the mill blue collar or white collar job.

                          I'm thinking they should leave that job to inded free it up for someone who needs it, as they don't anymore, and also it's going to get harder and harder for them to relate to the crowd they've been working with.

                          here  again  this  question  come  up  as  to  why  should  a  person  keep  his  job  if  he  or  she  wins  a  large  sume  of  money ???

                          answer : Because  they  were  there  first  and  its  there  choice  and  they  don't  owe  anyone  an  explanation  why  they  keep  working ...................employment  for  some  people  is  a  habit ....a  way  of  life  and daily  routine ...a  habit  thaat  takes  a  life  time  to  break.....and  they  might  just  want  to  keep  the  friends  they  have but  have  a  very - healthy  bank-account ,makes  them  feel really secure, so  why  blow  a  good  thing :

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                            Posted: July 1, 2007, 5:33 am - IP Logged

                            I don't understand this 'moral obligation' garbage at all, let's take it one step further, hypothetically speaking:

                            1) I make $50,000 a year, am single, and have no kids, never been married.

                            2) There is a guy that is unemployed, married, and has two kids, and he is perfectly qualified to do my job.

                            So do I have a 'moral obligation' to quit so he can have a job and support his family ?  

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                              I don't understand this 'moral obligation' garbage at all, let's take it one step further, hypothetically speaking:

                              1) I make $50,000 a year, am single, and have no kids, never been married.

                              2) There is a guy that is unemployed, married, and has two kids, and he is perfectly qualified to do my job.

                              So do I have a 'moral obligation' to quit so he can have a job and support his family ?  

                              no one has a moral obligation to do anything whatsoever to make life easier for another.

                              I think it's more of a way that some people try to justify their own views on what they would do if they won a jackpot. Some people might have the idea that if they say they will quit their job people may view them negatively so they justify it by saying they are or would do it for all these moral reasons......

                              heck with that if they wanna quit their job so they can just play I say fine let them.....

                              If you have a job you love and you trained for well then you've no moral obligation to quit.....

                              If you have a job at McDonalds flipping burgers well..... and you take home after taxes 30 million say..... and still keep going in to flip burgers well that would be just a bit weird......

                              I think that it really gets to people when they hear about someone winning a huge jackpot that they played to win as well...... and wanted to win so they could retire and live a life of liesure say things like "I'll still keep my job."      I think people see that as a slapp in the face of their dream that wasn't fullfilled....      many people wanna hear "I'm gonna go travelling," etc etc etc so that for those couple moments they can live through the winner in their head......    when the winner says "I'm gonna keep my job." that takes people out of that dream state and places them thinking about their job and many people do in fact hate their jobs.

                              You live a life of abundance! You have won the lottery! Belief creates reality! Believe!