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can someone here post me an example of a fake RNG lottery drawing?

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Posted: July 28, 2007, 10:58 am - IP Logged

Very interesting thread

If you know your number is going to hit, have patience and then KILL IT!

You never know when you will get another hit.

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    Posted: July 28, 2007, 10:58 am - IP Logged

    Very interesting thread

    If you know your number is going to hit, have patience and then KILL IT!

    You never know when you will get another hit.

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      Posted: July 28, 2007, 1:55 pm - IP Logged

      RNG TN, as far as I'm concerned it RIP TN lottery.

       

      Mad

      I love doubles and remember, it's just a game!!!!!!

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        Posted: July 28, 2007, 4:40 pm - IP Logged

        Did they rig the draw today.

        The payout in the 3 and 4 game was up to par or a little over.

        Makes you wonder if they rigged the quick pick printouts to match was was going to be drawn to make it look good.

        They did not want to get a lot of flak for a lousy payout.

         

        One other thing.
        They say that there are no connections to any outside source to mess with the computers.

        DUHHHHHH It is plugged into a wall outlet for electrical power.
        Connect the outside computer to program into the ground line for connection. DUHHHHHHHHHHHHH

        WHATT

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          Posted: July 29, 2007, 2:30 am - IP Logged

             Sure, treat; I'd be happy to elaborate.

             I think it was in 2004 when LosingJeff and I went to Indianapolis to give our evidence file to the FBI. The meeting got off to a bad start when they refused to let us see an agent, and told us to go home and contact our attorney general. We told them we weren't leaving until we spoke with an agent. They threatened us with arrest if we didn't leave immediately. Then, they had us escorted to the lobby, where we were warned not to come back. I'm the type of person who believes the people who work for him should treat him with common courtesy and respect. If you're this type of person, don't ever call the FBI, because they are the laziest, rudest, most abusive group of people I've ever been exposed to. Naturally, I filed a complaint with the FBI Director in Quantico, and I am eagerly awaiting his response. 

            The entire incident is documented here on the forum somewhere, but I can't recall where it's posted (I was pretty upset about it, so there are several posts about this in different threads).

            If there's one thing we've learned from our investigation, it's that law enforcement and government officials can do anything they please, and we'll have precious little to say about it, if we know what's good for us.

          Here in Florida our city was using fake code enforcement fines to extort property owners into selling out to developers.  I tried reporting this through the Attorney General's web site, no meaningful reply.  I tried reporting this to my County Commissioner, she sent my mail to the city I was reporting.  I tried bringing my evidence to the state's attorney for Sourth Florida and was told to report the problem to the local police, said if they refused to look into it, get back to them.  I decided it wasn't safe to take this to the local police as they work for the city commission I was reporting.  Unless you are prepared to spend serious money on lawyers and sue there is no justice to be had through government agencies.  If you can't take them to court, they don't have to pay any attention to you what-so-ever.  BobP

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            Posted: July 29, 2007, 2:16 pm - IP Logged

            Here in Florida our city was using fake code enforcement fines to extort property owners into selling out to developers.  I tried reporting this through the Attorney General's web site, no meaningful reply.  I tried reporting this to my County Commissioner, she sent my mail to the city I was reporting.  I tried bringing my evidence to the state's attorney for Sourth Florida and was told to report the problem to the local police, said if they refused to look into it, get back to them.  I decided it wasn't safe to take this to the local police as they work for the city commission I was reporting.  Unless you are prepared to spend serious money on lawyers and sue there is no justice to be had through government agencies.  If you can't take them to court, they don't have to pay any attention to you what-so-ever.  BobP

            Thanks jim & bob. The age old question of who protects us from our "protectors" remains...

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              Posted: July 30, 2007, 1:15 am - IP Logged

              KY Floyd asked "When somebody comes forard to claim a $50 million MM or PB jackpot how do oyu know the ticket wasn't printed after the drawing?"

              When a ticket is bought (I'll use PB as example), several numbers are printed on it (not just your 'bets'), plus a bar code. These numbers represent the store location, time purchased and original bet numbers & amount, etc. Also on the back of the ticket is another number (large red number string) that is the section of the roll of paper from which the ticket was printed. When the winning number is inputed back into the system, if there is a winner, all of that info is available to lottery HQ. They know where and when the winning ticket was sold, sometimes before the winner does. 

              You would be hard pressed to fake it all beyond fooling your friends. 

              The only ticket info that is available to the lottery is what's in their database. Just because a ticket is printed an hour after the drawing doesn't guarantee that it won't match the corresponding record in the datebase. The point is that the people who insist the RNG program could be manipulated have absolutely no way of knowing whether or not the results of a ball drawing have been manipulated. All it would take would be a massive conspiracy with several conspirators who all keep the secret and don't slip up and leave any clues. Having absolutely no indication that a drawing was somehow rigged is not proof that it wasn't.

              There may be some occasional problems with RNG results, but the people who worry about them usually worry for the wrong reasons.

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                Posted: July 31, 2007, 11:32 pm - IP Logged

                The only ticket info that is available to the lottery is what's in their database. Just because a ticket is printed an hour after the drawing doesn't guarantee that it won't match the corresponding record in the datebase. The point is that the people who insist the RNG program could be manipulated have absolutely no way of knowing whether or not the results of a ball drawing have been manipulated. All it would take would be a massive conspiracy with several conspirators who all keep the secret and don't slip up and leave any clues. Having absolutely no indication that a drawing was somehow rigged is not proof that it wasn't.

                There may be some occasional problems with RNG results, but the people who worry about them usually worry for the wrong reasons.

                To say that both types can be manipulated is true. But it is easier to hide with a non-physical system. 

                Understand, there is more than one type of manipulation.

                1. Players lose. Low quantity of winners drawn. This is what people are concerned about, because it is much harder to detect than....
                2. Lottery loses. A specific group of players win by causing a certain set of numbers to fall, or appearing to have played whatever the winning set of numbers is.

                The topic was about the first kind of manipulation. The lottery cheating the players.

                You asked about cashing a faked ticket. That is the second kind. A player cheating the lottery. 

                The requirements you list for getting away with a faked printed ticket are the very reasons it would fail... There are too many things that have to go right, for too long, and involve way too many people. 

                • massive conspiracy / several conspirators ... greed & jealously kill this one when little fish want an equal cut with the rest i.e. the scratch-off scandal in Indiana a while back.
                •  keep the secret ... see above. (three can keep a secret ... if two of them are dead)
                • don't slip up ... the jails are full of people who had or went along with a "perfect plan"
                • don't leave any clues ... just because they lack a clue doesn't mean they don't leave any.
                • prosecutorial immunity ... All you need is one minnow trying to get himself out of a jam. "Drop this petty theft charge and I'll tell you about..."

                The lottery has plenty of info in their database to make sure "a player cheating the lottery" doesn't happen. To make the changes you suggest would immediately create "conflicts" throughout the database. That part would be too esoteric to explain without pictures. 

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                Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms should be the name of a convenience store, not a govnoment agency.