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Posted: August 18, 2007, 5:21 pm - IP Logged

LB,

It's the European term for "lottery pool".  However, on the Internet, it has become synonymous with the e-lottery and VWD pyramid schemes.

It someone mentions a "syndicate" to you, the red flags should immediately go up.

Thanks for the explanation Todd..I kinda figured it was a "Lottery Pool' of some kind....

"Attention all Mathematicians: Check your degree at the door because when it comes to whole numbers you are the Amateur"

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    Posted: August 18, 2007, 5:23 pm - IP Logged

    Thank you for the response Chezel30...I wish you and you group the best of luck..I hope you all win big!!!!

    "Attention all Mathematicians: Check your degree at the door because when it comes to whole numbers you are the Amateur"

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      Posted: August 19, 2007, 12:26 pm - IP Logged

      Hi

      A good way to play for a Office Lottery Pool is to buy a 5 numbers ticket for a 6-49 lottery.

      Many Lottery have this 5 no tickets available.

      How it works:  the 5 no ticket cost you $44 and you get 44 chances of winning and your odds are largely improuve.

      because you are guarantee to have the sixth no.

      Let say you choose no 4 -10 - 12 - 24 - 36,    you ticket will cover

       4 - 10 - 12 - 24 - 36 and  no 1

       4 - 10 - 12 - 24 - 36 and  no 2

       4 - 10 - 12 - 24 - 36 and  no 3

       4 - 10 - 12 - 24 - 36 and  no 5

       4 - 10 - 12 - 24 - 36 and  no 6

       

      etc.etc.

      This way you only need two no to win a prize, since most Lottery pays you when you have 3 of the drawn numbers.

      So if you have 2 of the winning numbers you will win 4 times.

      Remember, with this 5 no tickets, you always have the 6th number. Increasing you Odds by 700%, do the math.

       

       Hope this helps.

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        Posted: August 19, 2007, 5:54 pm - IP Logged

        Hi

        A good way to play for a Office Lottery Pool is to buy a 5 numbers ticket for a 6-49 lottery.

        Many Lottery have this 5 no tickets available.

        How it works:  the 5 no ticket cost you $44 and you get 44 chances of winning and your odds are largely improuve.

        because you are guarantee to have the sixth no.

        Let say you choose no 4 -10 - 12 - 24 - 36,    you ticket will cover

         4 - 10 - 12 - 24 - 36 and  no 1

         4 - 10 - 12 - 24 - 36 and  no 2

         4 - 10 - 12 - 24 - 36 and  no 3

         4 - 10 - 12 - 24 - 36 and  no 5

         4 - 10 - 12 - 24 - 36 and  no 6

         

        etc.etc.

        This way you only need two no to win a prize, since most Lottery pays you when you have 3 of the drawn numbers.

        So if you have 2 of the winning numbers you will win 4 times.

        Remember, with this 5 no tickets, you always have the 6th number. Increasing you Odds by 700%, do the math.

         

         Hope this helps.

        "How it works:  the 5 no ticket cost you $44 and you get 44 chances of winning and your odds are largely improuve."

        It's a way to play but you need to match 3 numbers to win more than you spent. By playing the same 5 numbers on 44 tickets, you're only reducing the odds by .95%. I wouldn't call a .03% reduction for matching 4 numbers much of an improvement either.

        "So if you have 2 of the winning numbers you will win 4 times."

        For a $1 more ($45) you could play 4 numbers with each of the other 45 numbers twice. Matching 2 numbers would still guarantee four 3s and the potential for two 4s.

        "Remember, with this 5 no tickets, you always have the 6th number. Increasing you Odds by 700%, do the math."

        The 6th number is irrelevant because to win the jackpot, you must match all 5 of your numbers. Secondary prizes are guaranteed "if you hit" 2, 3, or 4 of your numbers. 

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          Posted: August 19, 2007, 6:34 pm - IP Logged

          "How it works:  the 5 no ticket cost you $44 and you get 44 chances of winning and your odds are largely improuve."

          It's a way to play but you need to match 3 numbers to win more than you spent. By playing the same 5 numbers on 44 tickets, you're only reducing the odds by .95%. I wouldn't call a .03% reduction for matching 4 numbers much of an improvement either.

          "So if you have 2 of the winning numbers you will win 4 times."

          For a $1 more ($45) you could play 4 numbers with each of the other 45 numbers twice. Matching 2 numbers would still guarantee four 3s and the potential for two 4s.

          "Remember, with this 5 no tickets, you always have the 6th number. Increasing you Odds by 700%, do the math."

          The 6th number is irrelevant because to win the jackpot, you must match all 5 of your numbers. Secondary prizes are guaranteed "if you hit" 2, 3, or 4 of your numbers. 

          Good analysis.

          You've shown nicely how these schemes are, on the whole, not good. These use hyped-up language to convince people to join. The ones who are most likely to join are those who aren't seasoned lottery players like yourself.

           

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            Posted: August 19, 2007, 6:42 pm - IP Logged

            It could work, but the guarantee is not good enough.

            Why not play a 17 numbers Wheel? There is one at Lottery Post that has a guarantee of 3 of 3 with covers 17 numbers!!! This will only cost 44 tickets. If a person could play 17 numbers for $44 or $45 what would be the difference?

            Anyway, this should work better for pick 5 or Lotto games that are just $0,50! Imagine getting 88 lines for just $44 bucks ...  Sure, some experienced players only recommended 10-12 numbers per system in each draw and a limit of 10 tickets for some profit and minimum risks !!!

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              Posted: August 19, 2007, 10:07 pm - IP Logged

              Hi

              A good way to play for a Office Lottery Pool is to buy a 5 numbers ticket for a 6-49 lottery.

              Many Lottery have this 5 no tickets available.

              How it works:  the 5 no ticket cost you $44 and you get 44 chances of winning and your odds are largely improuve.

              because you are guarantee to have the sixth no.

              Let say you choose no 4 -10 - 12 - 24 - 36,    you ticket will cover

               4 - 10 - 12 - 24 - 36 and  no 1

               4 - 10 - 12 - 24 - 36 and  no 2

               4 - 10 - 12 - 24 - 36 and  no 3

               4 - 10 - 12 - 24 - 36 and  no 5

               4 - 10 - 12 - 24 - 36 and  no 6

               

              etc.etc.

              This way you only need two no to win a prize, since most Lottery pays you when you have 3 of the drawn numbers.

              So if you have 2 of the winning numbers you will win 4 times.

              Remember, with this 5 no tickets, you always have the 6th number. Increasing you Odds by 700%, do the math.

               

               Hope this helps.

              This is the best possible way to play if you are running pools for suckers and don't want to be bothered with distributing money for a lot of 3# and 4# wins  every draw.

              The pyramid scheme could take a 5# wheel and distribute its 5# combinations among the pools to guarantee at least one or more would have a 3# or 4# prize plus the 6th number in every draw, but if they do, they don't mention doing so as part of their "strategy".

              These pools use a lottery aspect as a draw into the scheme because it gives them a "legitimate product" to sell (instead of a phony mailing list), not because the strategy is a valid path to a lottery jackpot.  

              These schemes aren't valid in the U.S. because it's illegal in most states to sell a ticket or shares in a ticket for more then its face value.  See ticket scalping laws.  (Does not apply to butler services like USA Mega.) 

              BobP




               


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                Posted: August 19, 2007, 10:25 pm - IP Logged

                Clavin

                "So before you jump on my back, please make sure you know what you are talking about."

                Please make sure you know what you're talking about. You're either pedaling yet another pyramid scheme her, as has been suggested, or your totally unaware of the fact that a U.S. lottery (Virginia) once paid a jackpot to a team of players, and after that the rules were changed so no individual or group of individuals could bogart (U.S. slang, means to hog, or let no one else get at) a lottery terminal or terminals for more than a brief time peroid. 

                In U.S. casinos over progressive slot machines you will see a sign that says NO TEAM PLAY. 

                This is the same type of rule, applied to lotto.  

                There is the general impression that America (as a Continent) don't know how to loose ... If the countries are not good winners.

                 

                How was the time when the important thing was the competition !?


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                  Posted: August 21, 2007, 12:48 pm - IP Logged

                  In some syndicates, people could choose the numbers.

                  It would be possible to use 6 combinations of 4 out of 5 numbers, each of them with 7 tickets and 10 numbers. This would cost only $42.00.

                  4 combinations, 4 if 5 of 11 would generate 40 tickets. 10 tickets for each reduced system. More one 4 if 5 of 9, 3 tickets. This is only 43 tickets, there is space for another ticket with 6 of 6 for a total of just $44.00!

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                    Posted: August 21, 2007, 1:24 pm - IP Logged

                    In some syndicates, people could choose the numbers.

                    It would be possible to use 6 combinations of 4 out of 5 numbers, each of them with 7 tickets and 10 numbers. This would cost only $42.00.

                    4 combinations, 4 if 5 of 11 would generate 40 tickets. 10 tickets for each reduced system. More one 4 if 5 of 9, 3 tickets. This is only 43 tickets, there is space for another ticket with 6 of 6 for a total of just $44.00!

                    The Internet syndicates advertise some players play for free and make money too, so some one has to pay for free tickets and/or share the tickets they buy with those who pay nothing.

                     * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                       
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                      Posted: August 21, 2007, 1:35 pm - IP Logged

                      The Internet syndicates advertise some players play for free and make money too, so some one has to pay for free tickets and/or share the tickets they buy with those who pay nothing.

                      Like the Australian ones?

                      The good is that there is the numbers that their will generate for the mini-syndicates, the other good side is that there is the numbers and combinations that the PLAYERS will generate with their "bonus". It would be nice if someone get some hot players (that will toast $$$) ...

                      Ok, this is like the "pyramid" . Except for one thing, Why not get the FREE tickets and the BONUS without pay for tickets ???  Only one bonus code per person ...

                      Some of the other services also have a similar option if a player match the numbers in three draws, even without buying tickets there should be some cash prizes ...

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                        Posted: August 21, 2007, 2:28 pm - IP Logged

                        Like the Australian ones?

                        The good is that there is the numbers that their will generate for the mini-syndicates, the other good side is that there is the numbers and combinations that the PLAYERS will generate with their "bonus". It would be nice if someone get some hot players (that will toast $$$) ...

                        Ok, this is like the "pyramid" . Except for one thing, Why not get the FREE tickets and the BONUS without pay for tickets ???  Only one bonus code per person ...

                        Some of the other services also have a similar option if a player match the numbers in three draws, even without buying tickets there should be some cash prizes ...

                        I hope you don't think that free ticket is anything but a marketing tool to get their foot in the door giving them time to convince the taker to join up for real.  It's the same reason a pet store gives out free goldfish.  Sometimes there is nothing more expensive then something free.  BobP

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                          Posted: August 21, 2007, 2:38 pm - IP Logged

                          The Internet syndicates advertise some players play for free and make money too, so some one has to pay for free tickets and/or share the tickets they buy with those who pay nothing.

                          Become a lottery agent.  They advertise like it's a legitimate job oppertunity.  They never mention you might be running around breaking local laws and codes, not registered, no business licence, etc. It gets really funny when one of their victims gets into it heavy with paid advertising to the point where they come to the attention of local authorities.  When they have to give the money back to their victims the company got 95% and they've got 5% to refund with.  BobP


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                            I hope you don't think that free ticket is anything but a marketing tool to get their foot in the door giving them time to convince the taker to join up for real.  It's the same reason a pet store gives out free goldfish.  Sometimes there is nothing more expensive then something free.  BobP

                            Like PayPal, eBay, Western Union and several others ???

                            By the way, how someone could use PayPal or credit cards to buy lottery tickets !? I trought it is pretty much forbidden on most countries ...