Kentucky United States Member #32652 February 14, 2006 7295 Posts Offline

Posted: August 19, 2007, 4:18 pm - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by Badger on August 18, 2007

Most of the logical Pick-3 systems I've seen are based on a prior group of numbers using high/low, even/odd, sums, root sums, spreads and frequency as filters to predict the next number. Maybe we should evaluate individual numbers and look at the circumstances before its last hit and only play it when the timing is right.

Only a thousand combinations to analyze the pre-conditions for? LOL ! Talk about a life-long project. And in that many, there is bound to be a bunch that have the same pre-conditions. And what do we do with the combinations that have never fallen yet? I would end up in a padded room.

If the idea is to pick one 3 digit number out of a 1000, I don't see why it's necessary for the method to be logical or even make any sense because we still only have a 1 in 1000 chance of being correct. We could create a complicated set calculations based on the last draw or I could play the number that represents that dream I had about JustExploying running naked celebrating her Lotto win and still have the same chance.

Oooooh. I'm not going near that one !

The Ohio Lottery ran a commercial where people said how they pick "their number" to promote the Pick-3 and its slogan "Odds are you'll have fun". The numbers were the standard dates, addresses, plate numbers, phone prefixes and dream numbers. Following and setting conditions when to play one number might not be much fun if the conditions were never right or they were always right and the number never hits.

I wouldn't even know where to start if wanted to analyze all 1000 combos and the results probably would require playing 100 and I wouldn't call betting $100 to win $400 on a random draw a good bet. But by following a few combinations (maybe 20 or less), you could minimize your play and maximize the payoff potential.

Zeta Reticuli Star System United States Member #30470 January 17, 2006 10345 Posts Offline

Posted: August 19, 2007, 4:54 pm - IP Logged

I've been thinking about the thread title here - considering how long the lotteries have been in business and what they take in, isn't it illogical to think there would be any system that works, logical or otherwise?

Just my $.02,

YMMV (Your mileage may vary)

Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

Wandering Aimlessly United States Member #25360 November 5, 2005 4461 Posts Offline

Posted: August 19, 2007, 5:19 pm - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on August 19, 2007

I've been thinking about the thread title here - considering how long the lotteries have been in business and what they take in, isn't it illogical to think there would be any system that works, logical or otherwise?

Just my $.02,

YMMV (Your mileage may vary)

However, it's still fun to try to figure one out a system anyway! I think pick-3 and pick-4 do show patterns more than the jackpot games. However, each draw is a brand new game. It's like the old story about tossing a coin and coming up with heads 20 consecutive times. There's never any guarantee that the 21st time tails will come up, because the previous result does not have an effect on the next toss.

I just thought of something, reading your post. The expression "I just wanted to put in my 2 cents" hasn't changed at all over time with inflation. I wonder if someone said "A penny for your thoughts" today if the answer would be "how about $5 bucks..then I'll tell ya?"

United States Member #50124 February 26, 2007 601 Posts Offline

Posted: August 19, 2007, 5:25 pm - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by justxploring on August 19, 2007

However, it's still fun to try to figure one out a system anyway! I think pick-3 and pick-4 do show patterns more than the jackpot games. However, each draw is a brand new game. It's like the old story about tossing a coin and coming up with heads 20 consecutive times. There's never any guarantee that the 21st time tails will come up, because the previous result does not have an effect on the next toss.

I just thought of something, reading your post. The expression "I just wanted to put in my 2 cents" hasn't changed at all over time with inflation. I wonder if someone said "A penny for your thoughts" today if the answer would be "how about $5 bucks..then I'll tell ya?"

I think it has been adjusted for inflation. It's just that with so many opinions plastered all over the internet, the value of said opinions has greatly depreciated. But that's just my opinion.

United States Member #17555 June 22, 2005 5582 Posts Offline

Posted: August 19, 2007, 5:40 pm - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by justxploring on August 19, 2007

However, it's still fun to try to figure one out a system anyway! I think pick-3 and pick-4 do show patterns more than the jackpot games. However, each draw is a brand new game. It's like the old story about tossing a coin and coming up with heads 20 consecutive times. There's never any guarantee that the 21st time tails will come up, because the previous result does not have an effect on the next toss.

I just thought of something, reading your post. The expression "I just wanted to put in my 2 cents" hasn't changed at all over time with inflation. I wonder if someone said "A penny for your thoughts" today if the answer would be "how about $5 bucks..then I'll tell ya?"

It's like the old story about tossing a coin and coming up with heads 20 consecutive times. There's never any guarantee that the 21st time tails will come up, because the previous result does not have an effect on the next toss.

I don't know about that one. About 4 years ago, I bought this report called the Koycerin method. I even took the time to hand write it here on the LP.

He blows away what people have been taught in colleges and universities for many years. That is, that if you toss a coin 10 times and it shows heads, that the best bet is to bet on tails.

Now before everyone goes ape s##t on me, please tke the time to read first.

He is a professor of math, and he discovered that the old myth was no longer true.

If you only bet once in your entire life on anything, and never bet a single wager thereafter, then the statement that a coin toss is indeed a 50/50 chance holds true, however, once you start placing more than one bet on a coin toss, over and over again, the chances of it remaining the same side starts to decline.

He shows how he discovered a system (which is very complicated, because of the way he explains it), that can be applied to any game that has a 50/50 chance. He goes on to say that he personally knows a few people who make a living by going to the casinos, and watching for this particular pattern to emerge, and once it does, you rake in the goods. These people are making a comfortable living at this.

The system in a nutshell is based on watching for patterens that weigh in on one direction, and a set of rules that has to be applied, once those patterns have been established. It even has a back up strategy.

This system is uncanningly similar to the Roulette system I'm waiting to try out. You wait for a set of patterns to emerge and once they do, you simply bet accordingly. I've tested the system at home with great success. I'm just waiting for the right time to go out and test it in the real world.

I'll try finding the koycerin method post and paste it here. It's easier than rewriting that long report out again.

LAS VEGAS United States Member #47729 November 22, 2006 4494 Posts Online

Posted: August 19, 2007, 6:41 pm - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by justxploring on August 19, 2007

However, it's still fun to try to figure one out a system anyway! I think pick-3 and pick-4 do show patterns more than the jackpot games. However, each draw is a brand new game. It's like the old story about tossing a coin and coming up with heads 20 consecutive times. There's never any guarantee that the 21st time tails will come up, because the previous result does not have an effect on the next toss.

I just thought of something, reading your post. The expression "I just wanted to put in my 2 cents" hasn't changed at all over time with inflation. I wonder if someone said "A penny for your thoughts" today if the answer would be "how about $5 bucks..then I'll tell ya?"

"20 consecutive times" ~J

Nota Bene- Isn't it interesting that in all even games of chance (including the above coin toss) that we have not seen nor heard of any case where heads/tails/ Red/Black, Player/Bank, etc streak for 50, 75 or 100 consecutive times, etc .....

Could it be beyond random coincidence???

"The entire universe has to be understood as a single undivided whole."

United States Member #17555 June 22, 2005 5582 Posts Offline

Posted: August 19, 2007, 6:51 pm - IP Logged

The following is an excerpt of the Koycerin wagering method.

Upon the first presentation of my discovery which we will refer to as "Random Number Displacement" or RND, for brevity, the old belief, which is still the accepted rule of random numbers by most students, was suppose to show that regardless of what happened in the past (results), it would have no bearing on the future. In other words,, if a coin was flipped 10 times and heads came up 10 times, then the odds of heads showing on the 11th toss were the same as the first toss. It was this accepted belief, which I know is wrong, which caused me to question the other accepted belief regarding random numbers.

The above law is not correct since even chances are so seldom one sided as 10 to 1. If there is a 50/50 chance something will occur and after 10 occurences only one thing has occured. The odds are not still 50/50! The odds climb continually against the same occurence happening.

But the accepted law is correct if you start the first time each time, but not if you toss the coin repeatedley. But since you do not anything only once, the accepted law is not right. You do not only play one hand of blackjack in your whole life. Or make only one bet on a horse or a dog, or only bet once on keno or a football game.

To wager means to bet in a continuous fashion on a certain game or games. You never make one bet and quit the rest of your life. It does not matter that you make your bets days or weeks apart or from weekend to weekend, or month to month. You bet continuously. To make more than one bet is when the accepted law cannot be applied.

Now consider this. If any game of chance which is played more than one time does not follow the rule of odds, like it is supposed to when only one bet is made....how can subsequent results (bets) be also ruled by that one occurence rule? How can you say the odds of tossing a coin and catching heads 10 times in a row is the same as tossing that coin once and getting heads? You cant! Just try and see how hard it is to have one side of a coin come up even three or four times in a row...but yet we are told the odds are the same.

All this leads to one conclusion....what has happened has as much influence on what will happen, and games of chance do not have series of events which are unconnected to what occured before and after any individual event.

In other words a random number is not truly random unless there is no past results to define the event. This would mean only the very first occurences is the number or event truly random.

Now we will take this one step further. If we know that past occurences influence future results, then we also must know that certain past occurences will foretell certain future events right? This means that from what has happened we can predict what will happen a good percentage of the time, not 100% but very close.

Incidently, it should be understoos that that the game or event involved is completely unimportant. It does does not matter if you are involved with making bets on football games or horse racing...both can be considered a random event even though we admit a large difference between these two events and others...like slot machines for example.

If past happenings can foretell future events, then think about how one can profit from knowing what will happen a good percentage of the time? We cannot be correct 100% of the time, but we do not need to, to be very successful.

We can be very successful by using what I call "Pattern Verification". This remarkable discovery was only touched upon many years ago by a very clever scientist trying to verify the size of the universe by not using a regular number sequence..like 1,2,3,4, etc... This does the work of calculation without calculating! Although the answer is not always 100% correct, it does not need to be.

I will give you an example;

We know that 1X4 =4,,,,and that 2x4 is 8, and 3x4=12...and 5x4=20. But wait....we left out one...4x4. Suppose we don't know what the answer is to the problem 4x4. We do know that whatever the answer is, it is more than 3x4 and less than 5x4. The answer must be between 13 and 19. Rather than just make a guess, we will average the difference so we can be close to what the real answer might be. Add the 13 to the 19 and we get 32. We added two numbers, so we divide the number by teo...for the average of....guess what..16. Do you see what we just did? We found the answer to 4x4 without directly knowing what the answer was!

In the above example, something else should have been discovered, do you see how past results foretold future ones and then how the correct "patteren" discovered the answer for the problem which we had no answer for?

It is the same with random events or gambling. There are no real random occurences...just results which are "Displaced" temporarily...and by verifying the pattern of displacement we can predict most of the time how the occurence will get back on track.

Lets take a very simple experiment, tossing a coin for example. The normal mathematical expectation should go as follows;

This is the way it should go since there is an almost even chance for either side to come up. Although the law of large numbers would dictate that results can be lopsided for a given time in either direction, the mathematical expectation is 50/50. Now when the mathematical expectation deviates from the norm...we have a simplified exaample of RND. An example would be...(H=heads...T=Tails):

Zeta Reticuli Star System United States Member #30470 January 17, 2006 10345 Posts Offline

Posted: August 19, 2007, 7:20 pm - IP Logged

Interesting note along with this...you know those digital read out panels next to roulette wheels that tell you what the last 20 or so spins were?

When the casinos put them in, their take on roulette games went up.

"It can't possibly be another odd ( or even, or black or red, etc...)...look at the board!"

People tend to forget that statistics on games of chance are based on millions of decisions. A lot of Blackjack books advise never to take insurance, but I'll tell you what, if you're usual bet is $5 and this is the hand you've got $150 out there and the dealer shows an Ace and asks, "Insurance?", take it!

Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

Kentucky United States Member #32652 February 14, 2006 7295 Posts Offline

Posted: August 19, 2007, 7:37 pm - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by LANTERN on August 19, 2007

+1, -3, 0

That might have been misunderstod.

It is like the +1, +2, +3 "System" for example:

Last draw 938 = :

9 + 1 = 0 on first position for next draw or whatever.

3 - 3 = 0 on second position for next draw.

8 + 0 = 8, stays the same for next draw or whatever.

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It was just a quickly made up example and not a working system for any particular game or draw.

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A system based on stats might have a better chance of making it on a game such as the pick 3.

At least in a more regular basis, not like a once in a life-time win, such as with quick picks.

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Thanks again and good points.

We all have our own points of view and we are not about to give them up no time soon, not for anybody.

I think I understood and was pointing out with that type of stategy, everytime 9 hits in the first position 0 would always be the play in the next draw. Somebody probably did check the past 1000 draws and saw that adding 1 (using your example) to the first postition produced the most next draw hits and did the same to the other two positions.

Kentucky United States Member #32652 February 14, 2006 7295 Posts Offline

Posted: August 19, 2007, 8:06 pm - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on August 19, 2007

Interesting note along with this...you know those digital read out panels next to roulette wheels that tell you what the last 20 or so spins were?

When the casinos put them in, their take on roulette games went up.

"It can't possibly be another odd ( or even, or black or red, etc...)...look at the board!"

People tend to forget that statistics on games of chance are based on millions of decisions. A lot of Blackjack books advise never to take insurance, but I'll tell you what, if you're usual bet is $5 and this is the hand you've got $150 out there and the dealer shows an Ace and asks, "Insurance?", take it!

Koycerin wagering method

Do most casinos put their "Coin flip" tables in the same pit with the Roshambo tables?

United States Member #17555 June 22, 2005 5582 Posts Offline

Posted: August 19, 2007, 8:29 pm - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on August 19, 2007

Interesting note along with this...you know those digital read out panels next to roulette wheels that tell you what the last 20 or so spins were?

When the casinos put them in, their take on roulette games went up.

"It can't possibly be another odd ( or even, or black or red, etc...)...look at the board!"

People tend to forget that statistics on games of chance are based on millions of decisions. A lot of Blackjack books advise never to take insurance, but I'll tell you what, if you're usual bet is $5 and this is the hand you've got $150 out there and the dealer shows an Ace and asks, "Insurance?", take it!

Here's an excerpt describing how improbable that 20 times in a row is. People keep using the number 20. 10 is acceptable, but 20 goes into the millions. So it might happen, but that is not the norm. Trust me.

You remeber our experiment with the coin toss?.....Suppose we had heads come up 10 times in a row. Now it's true we cannot be positive that heads will not come up another 10 times in a row. But how would you bet? If you just flipped a coin and had 10 heads in a row, then someone made you a 50/50 bet that heads would come up another 10 times straight...would you take that bet? Or would you tell them that no one can predict a random event ahead of time? You would be a fool not to bet. By assuming heads will not come up another 10 times, you are using pattern verification. You may not know exactly what may happen for the next 10 tosses, but you know that 10 more heads are very unlikely.

The odds against heads showing up 20 times in a row are in a millions to one range.

United States Member #17555 June 22, 2005 5582 Posts Offline

Posted: August 19, 2007, 8:44 pm - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on August 19, 2007

Koycerin wagering method

Do most casinos put their "Coin flip" tables in the same pit with the Roshambo tables?

The coin flip is a fundamental example of what other procedures are needed in order to be successful.

He addresses this point and expalins in detail how to utilize this method with games that are more compicated than just a 50/50 chance, like lotto, horses, dogs...etc....

I truly believe that this is not your conventional methods being widely used. I like it's originality, and it just makes plain sense.

After reading this material over and over, trying to understand what I had skimmed over and over, I realized that the more I read this the more I'm understanding the complicated parts which I was having diffuculty with. It's amazing to me.

What I want to do after reading this another few times tonight and tomorrow, will be to create an experiment. Using the 50/50 rule, and the other methods of "Pattern Verification", I'll hope to hone my skills. Then would I try to narrow the odds to single digits, using the same theories.

I will attempt to decide which half of the p-3 will come out in Florida. 000-499 or 500-999?

If I'm successsful with that part above, then I'll attempt more complicated procedures, which I hope the programming gurus will step up to the plate and not just benefit me, but everyone else here on the LP....lol

Kentucky United States Member #32652 February 14, 2006 7295 Posts Offline

Posted: August 19, 2007, 10:39 pm - IP Logged

Quote: Originally posted by pacattack05 on August 19, 2007

The coin flip is a fundamental example of what other procedures are needed in order to be successful.

He addresses this point and expalins in detail how to utilize this method with games that are more compicated than just a 50/50 chance, like lotto, horses, dogs...etc....

I truly believe that this is not your conventional methods being widely used. I like it's originality, and it just makes plain sense.

After reading this material over and over, trying to understand what I had skimmed over and over, I realized that the more I read this the more I'm understanding the complicated parts which I was having diffuculty with. It's amazing to me.

What I want to do after reading this another few times tonight and tomorrow, will be to create an experiment. Using the 50/50 rule, and the other methods of "Pattern Verification", I'll hope to hone my skills. Then would I try to narrow the odds to single digits, using the same theories.

I will attempt to decide which half of the p-3 will come out in Florida. 000-499 or 500-999?

If I'm successsful with that part above, then I'll attempt more complicated procedures, which I hope the programming gurus will step up to the plate and not just benefit me, but everyone else here on the LP....lol

More to come.

Baccarat might be the closest casino games to 50/50 and playing streaks is a strategy. They will even give you a card and a pencil to track the streaks.

"I will attempt to decide which half of the p-3 will come out in Florida. 000-499 or 500-999?"

In Pick-3 games the digits will either be odd or even; flip a coin for each position or play a streak. Do the same for high or low and at the most you'll only have 27 straight combos. In Florida the first digit was high the last 5 draws; will the steak continue?