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Would you have an advantage if you knew some basic biasing conditions the draw process would follow?

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Posted: October 30, 2007, 2:51 am - IP Logged

I'm creating this poll to get some feedback on what the Lottery Post Community's take is on this. Yes, this is related to the Tennessee Cash 4 drawings for 2007-08-08 to 2007-08-19. Basically it goes something like this, the question is: Would you have an advantage if you knew some basic biasing conditions the draw process would follow?

Below are three conditions that would all occur within the same set of draws.

 

1. One of the columns in the draw does not pick a set of three numbers.

    Ex. X Y Y Y , X  is the column where a certain set of three numbers would not appear.

2. One of the columns chooses two numbers more frequently than normal.

    Ex. Y Y X Y, X has a higher or abnormally high selection of two different numbers.

3. A particular number only appears in one column.

    Ex. Y Y Y X, One number only occurs in X and not in Y.

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    Posted: October 30, 2007, 9:22 am - IP Logged

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      My little "Earth-Ling " brain starting over heating when the odds dropped by about 90%...  LOL

      Not use to thinking Pick 4 but..... is the advantage very much more than that Jade? 

        Could it be .... almost all the way ?  

       

       

      The only real failure .....is the failure to try.                               

                                    Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much. 

                                    Odds never change .....but probability does. 

                                                                                             Win d    

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        WIN D,

        I've spotted a few anomalies and interesting patterns within the dates of 2007-08-08 to 2007-08-19 for Cash 4 Midday and Evening drawings. They are subtle but detectable. This is similar to the anomaly I found in the Cash 3 drawing for about the same dates. It almost appears like there was a trigger date programmed in for 2007-08-08. I'm working some of the patterns and inconsistencies that appear to be present in the Cash 4.

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          WIN D,

          I've spotted a few anomalies and interesting patterns within the dates of 2007-08-08 to 2007-08-19 for Cash 4 Midday and Evening drawings. They are subtle but detectable. This is similar to the anomaly I found in the Cash 3 drawing for about the same dates. It almost appears like there was a trigger date programmed in for 2007-08-08. I'm working some of the patterns and inconsistencies that appear to be present in the Cash 4.

           Wonderful that you can attempt such things "ET" .

          Anomaly recognition method for data streams

          Document Type and Number:
          United States Patent 20050143976
          Kind Code:
          A1
          Link to this page:
          http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20050143976.html
          Abstract:
          This invention identifies anomalies in a data stream, without prior training, by measuring the difficulty in finding similarities between neighbourhoods in the ordered sequence of elements. Data elements in an area that is similar to much of the rest of the scene score low mismatches. On the other hand a region that possesses many dissimilarities with other parts of the ordered sequence will attract a high score of mismatches. The invention makes use of a trial and error process to find dissimilarities between parts of the data stream and does not require prior knowledge of the nature of the anomalies that may be present. The method avoids the use of processing dependencies between data elements and is capable of a straightforward parallel implementation for each data element. The invention is of application in searching for anomalous patterns in data streams, which include audio signals, health screening and geographical data. A method of error correction is also described.

           

           

          The only real failure .....is the failure to try.                               

                                        Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much. 

                                        Odds never change .....but probability does. 

                                                                                                 Win d    

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            Posted: October 30, 2007, 11:59 am - IP Logged

            Lottery data always have patterns that are bias for a few drawings and can be described as an anomaly only because they have never been noticed before but by the time they are confirmed it's usually too late to be of any advantage. 

            If a pattern continues longer than a few drawings then the drawings aren't truly random as was the case in the Tennessee pick3/4 drawings after they first started using computer generated numbers which prevented duplicates coming up in August.  That pattern existed for over 20 days, long enough to be confirmed and taken advantage of but most players preferred to complain until it was corrected instead.  I just don't think such opportunities come along often enough to make much of a difference.   

             * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
               
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              Posted: October 30, 2007, 12:28 pm - IP Logged

              My little "Earth-Ling " brain starting over heating when the odds dropped by about 90%...  LOL

              Not use to thinking Pick 4 but..... is the advantage very much more than that Jade? 

                Could it be .... almost all the way ?  

              A very big edge for Play 4, Cash 3, Katie, bar the door!!! Takeout second mortgage!!! 


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                I am not sure about the troughts of this.

                It seems obvious that there was this 'anomalous' process, after all a anomaly could be verified after 20 draws. Some people use analysis after 10 draws, but it should not be considered long enoug. The normal analyzes seems to use 20-25 games (cards, dices, lotto) or 3 weeks (for daily games) ... If after the end of this period the (positive) payout (or payback in this particular case) would be verified to seek for anomalies.

                Now, are people interested in other persons that taked the oportunities? It seems clear enough that there was a real advantage for those that knew at least a little about systems and basic math ... 

                IT was strange, when the odds that WIN D provided were very successful for "on-line" games. Making a profit on every draw (for a particular state) if bet "without tickets" ... 

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                  I think this is the basic motivating theory for those who try to build systems.

                  Just hunting for the bias ... like Elmer Fudd hunting wabbits. 

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                  Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms should be the name of a convenience store, not a govnoment agency.

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                    The Cash 3 is what started this. Below is the Cash 3 drawings put in proper data stream order as they occurred relative to each other's draw. I've highlighted the H-L-M draws to show where they are in the data stream. Probability states that on average the number of occurrences for that specific type of draw, given the fact that none are repeating and can be in any order, should be drawn about 42 *(1 / 6) = 7 times. Statically also, the approximate standard deviation for that type of draw should be about Ö7 » 2.65. The number of actual H-L-M types for the that period of 42 Midday and Evening draws was 15. That's more than twice the average and in terms of units of approximate standard deviation, that is 3.02 times the standard unit above the average.

                    The trigger date of 2007-08-06 was my original estimate just based on Cash 3, however, after examining Cash 4, I realized both the Cash 3 and Cash 4 had anomalies starting at about the same date of 2007-08-08. For the Cash 3, looking at draw indices 21 to 42, the rate of occurrence for the H-L-M is twice the rate for the draw indices of 1 to 20. Also, the rate of occurrence relative to probability's average of 22 * (1 / 6) » 3.6 for the indices of 21 to 42 is a little more than 6 more than its average. The total occurrences for indices 21 to 42 is 10, but its average rate should be 3.6. Looking at the indices 1 to 20 the occurrences are a total of 5. The average probability rate for those indices, 1 to 20, is about 20 * (1 / 6) » 3.3; a little above and within reasonable expectation.

                    Tennessee Cash 3 Midday and Evening

                     

                    Index

                    Date

                    Time

                    Draws

                     

                    Year

                    Month

                    Day

                    A

                    B

                    C

                     

                    1

                    2007

                    7

                    28

                    Midday

                    5

                    7

                    8

                     

                    2

                    2007

                    7

                    28

                    Evening

                    9

                    0

                    3

                     

                    3

                    2007

                    7

                    29

                    Evening

                    5

                    4

                    9

                     

                    4

                    2007

                    7

                    30

                    Midday

                    4

                    3

                    8

                     

                    5

                    2007

                    7

                    30

                    Evening

                    2

                    1

                    9

                     

                    6

                    2007

                    7

                    31

                    Midday

                    5

                    4

                    1

                     

                    7

                    2007

                    7

                    31

                    Evening

                    7

                    6

                    0

                     

                    8

                    2007

                    8

                    1

                    Midday

                    5

                    7

                    6

                     

                    9

                    2007

                    8

                    1

                    Evening

                    8

                    2

                    4

                     

                    10

                    2007

                    8

                    2

                    Midday

                    0

                    3

                    6

                     

                    11

                    2007

                    8

                    2

                    Evening

                    6

                    1

                    8

                     

                    12

                    2007

                    8

                    3

                    Midday

                    9

                    5

                    3

                     

                    13

                    2007

                    8

                    3

                    Evening

                    4

                    0

                    6

                     

                    14

                    2007

                    8

                    4

                    Midday

                    7

                    4

                    6

                     

                    15

                    2007

                    8

                    4

                    Evening

                    4

                    6

                    8

                     

                    16

                    2007

                    8

                    5

                    Evening

                    6

                    3

                    8

                     

                    17

                    2007

                    8

                    6

                    Midday

                    7

                    8

                    0

                     

                    18

                    2007

                    8

                    6

                    Evening

                    5

                    0

                    2

                     

                    19

                    2007

                    8

                    7

                    Midday

                    1

                    2

                    9

                     

                    20

                    2007

                    8

                    7

                    Evening

                    8

                    6

                    7

                    Suspect Trigger Date ->

                    21

                    2007

                    8

                    8

                    Midday

                    9

                    1

                    3

                     

                    22

                    2007

                    8

                    8

                    Evening

                    7

                    0

                    6

                     

                    23

                    2007

                    8

                    9

                    Midday

                    0

                    2

                    8

                     

                    24

                    2007

                    8

                    9

                    Evening

                    5

                    1

                    3

                     

                    25

                    2007

                    8

                    10

                    Midday

                    5

                    3

                    6

                     

                    26

                    2007

                    8

                    10

                    Evening

                    0

                    8

                    5

                     

                    27

                    2007

                    8

                    11

                    Midday

                    9

                    3

                    8

                     

                    28

                    2007

                    8

                    11

                    Evening

                    5

                    9

                    8

                     

                    29

                    2007

                    8

                    12

                    Evening

                    6

                    3

                    7

                     

                    30

                    2007

                    8

                    13

                    Midday

                    0

                    2

                    1

                     

                    31

                    2007

                    8

                    13

                    Evening

                    5

                    3

                    6

                     

                    32

                    2007

                    8

                    14

                    Midday

                    8

                    1

                    2

                     

                    33

                    2007

                    8

                    14

                    Evening

                    8

                    0

                    2

                     

                    34

                    2007

                    8

                    15

                    Midday

                    0

                    1

                    7

                     

                    35

                    2007

                    8

                    15

                    Evening

                    2

                    9

                    4

                     

                    36

                    2007

                    8

                    16

                    Midday

                    9

                    1

                    2

                     

                    37

                    2007

                    8

                    16

                    Evening

                    1

                    7

                    5

                     

                    38

                    2007

                    8

                    17

                    Midday

                    3

                    7

                    5

                     

                    39

                    2007

                    8

                    17

                    Evening

                    5

                    1

                    2

                     

                    40

                    2007

                    8

                    18

                    Midday

                    6

                    0

                    2

                     

                    41

                    2007

                    8

                    18

                    Evening

                    4

                    3

                    6

                     

                    42

                    2007

                    8

                    19

                    Evening

                    8

                    1

                    3

                    I'll get in to the Cash 4 anomalies in a while, work calls.

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                      Ok, here we go. Below are the drawings for Tennessee Cash 4 Midday and Evening drawings in their proper data stream order. We'll look at the biasing conditions stated at the beginning of this topic. As we go along, keep in mind the Cash 3 drawings, the H-L-M bias and the suspect trigger date pointed out earlier for Cash 3. There is too much to post all at once, so I do this in chunks. Review the list of draws as follows:

                      Tennessee Cash 4 Midday and Evening
                      IndexDateTimeDraws
                      YearMonthDayABCD
                      12007728Midday1528
                      22007728Evening1857
                      32007729Evening0956
                      42007730Midday3018
                      52007730Evening5713
                      62007731Midday3209
                      72007731Evening8417
                      8200781Midday2190
                      9200781Evening0137
                      10200782Midday7698
                      11200782Evening5802
                      12200783Midday6514
                      13200783Evening2694
                      14200784Midday2865
                      15200784Evening3258
                      16200785Evening6735
                      17200786Midday7031
                      18200786Evening7136
                      19200787Midday9452
                      20200787Evening4568
                      21200788Midday4790
                      22200788Evening5082
                      23200789Midday0894
                      24200789Evening5876
                      252007810Midday1486
                      262007810Evening1789
                      272007811Midday4825
                      282007811Evening3197
                      292007812Evening3890
                      302007813Midday9286
                      312007813Evening3509
                      322007814Midday3180
                      332007814Evening1326
                      342007815Midday3216
                      352007815Evening9246
                      362007816Midday2180
                      372007816Evening1295
                      382007817Midday9587
                      392007817Evening4256
                      402007818Midday3492
                      412007818Evening2873
                      422007819Evening9056

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                        As pointed out, there is a suspect trigger date that is common between Cash 3 and Cash 4, 2007-08-08 and the date is highlighted in the table.

                        The first bias we'll look at is condition 3. It's when one number only appears in one column. If we look at the distribution of numbers by columns A B C D for the indices of 1 to 20, there is a reasonable expected distribution of the numbers in each column. However, when compared to the distribution of numbers by column for the indices of 21 to 42 there is a distinct difference. Most noted is the number 6 as it occurs before the suspected trigger date (indices 1 to 20) and as it occurs on and after the trigger date (indices 21 to 42). The following table shows each distribution.

                        Before After
                        Indices 1 to 20Indices 21 to 42
                        NumberColumnNumberColumn
                        ABCDABCD
                        0222101214
                        1234114310
                        2321222522
                        3304136101
                        4120243211
                        5234252222
                        6222260008
                        7320370222
                        8130580570
                        9113194062

                        Here is how the number 6 appears in the draws; 6 is highlighted.

                        Tennessee Cash 4 Midday and Evening
                        IndexDateTimeDraws
                        YearMonthDayABCD
                        12007728Midday1528
                        22007728Evening1857
                        32007729Evening0956
                        42007730Midday3018
                        52007730Evening5713
                        62007731Midday3209
                        72007731Evening8417
                        8200781Midday2190
                        9200781Evening0137
                        10200782Midday7698
                        11200782Evening5802
                        12200783Midday6514
                        13200783Evening2694
                        14200784Midday2865
                        15200784Evening3258
                        16200785Evening6735
                        17200786Midday7031
                        18200786Evening7136
                        19200787Midday9452
                        20200787Evening4568
                        21200788Midday4790
                        22200788Evening5082
                        23200789Midday0894
                        24200789Evening5876
                        252007810Midday1486
                        262007810Evening1789
                        272007811Midday4825
                        282007811Evening3197
                        292007812Evening3890
                        302007813Midday9286
                        312007813Evening3509
                        322007814Midday3180
                        332007814Evening1326
                        342007815Midday3216
                        352007815Evening9246
                        362007816Midday2180
                        372007816Evening1295
                        382007817Midday9587
                        392007817Evening4256
                        402007818Midday3492
                        412007818Evening2873
                        422007819Evening9056

                        Also, note the number 6 occurs the same number of times, 8, before and after the suspect trigger date. This is the number 6 anomaly. Next...

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                          Now we'll look at condition 2. The abnormally high selection of two numbers in a given column. Looking at the distribution table again for indices 21 to 42 in column C, there is a high number of 8 and 9 selections as compared to the before.

                          Before After
                          Indices 1 to 20Indices 21 to 42
                          NumberColumnNumberColumn
                          ABCDABCD
                          0222101214
                          1234114310
                          2321222522
                          3304136101
                          4120243211
                          5234252222
                          6222260008
                          7320370222
                          8130580570
                          9113194062

                          Here is how the numbers 8 and 9 appear in the draws for column C; highlighted.

                          Tennessee Cash 4 Midday and Evening
                          IndexDateTimeDraws
                          YearMonthDayABCD
                          12007728Midday1528
                          22007728Evening1857
                          32007729Evening0956
                          42007730Midday3018
                          52007730Evening5713
                          62007731Midday3209
                          72007731Evening8417
                          8200781Midday2190
                          9200781Evening0137
                          10200782Midday7698
                          11200782Evening5802
                          12200783Midday6514
                          13200783Evening2694
                          14200784Midday2865
                          15200784Evening3258
                          16200785Evening6735
                          17200786Midday7031
                          18200786Evening7136
                          19200787Midday9452
                          20200787Evening4568
                          21200788Midday4790
                          22200788Evening5082
                          23200789Midday0894
                          24200789Evening5876
                          252007810Midday1486
                          262007810Evening1789
                          272007811Midday4825
                          282007811Evening3197
                          292007812Evening3890
                          302007813Midday9286
                          312007813Evening3509
                          322007814Midday3180
                          332007814Evening1326
                          342007815Midday3216
                          352007815Evening9246
                          362007816Midday2180
                          372007816Evening1295
                          382007817Midday9587
                          392007817Evening4256
                          402007818Midday3492
                          412007818Evening2873
                          422007819Evening9056

                          This is the C-8-9 anomaly. Next...

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                            Condition 3 is next, it's the absences of three numbers in a given column. The distribution shows that 6, 7 and 8 dropped out of column A near the suspect trigger date.

                            Before After
                            Indices 1 to 20Indices 21 to 42
                            NumberColumnNumberColumn
                            ABCDABCD
                            0222101214
                            1234114310
                            2321222522
                            3304136101
                            4120243211
                            5234252222
                            6222260008
                            7320370222
                            8130580570
                            9113194062

                            Here the numbers 6, 7 and 8 as they appear in the all the draws highlighted. Note what happens when they are at and beyond the suspect trigger date.

                            Tennessee Cash 4 Midday and Evening
                            IndexDateTimeDraws
                            YearMonthDayABCD
                            12007728Midday1528
                            22007728Evening1857
                            32007729Evening0956
                            42007730Midday3018
                            52007730Evening5713
                            62007731Midday3209
                            72007731Evening8417
                            8200781Midday2190
                            9200781Evening0137
                            10200782Midday7698
                            11200782Evening5802
                            12200783Midday6514
                            13200783Evening2694
                            14200784Midday2865
                            15200784Evening3258
                            16200785Evening6735
                            17200786Midday7031
                            18200786Evening7136
                            19200787Midday9452
                            20200787Evening4568
                            21200788Midday4790
                            22200788Evening5082
                            23200789Midday0894
                            24200789Evening5876
                            252007810Midday1486
                            262007810Evening1789
                            272007811Midday4825
                            282007811Evening3197
                            292007812Evening3890
                            302007813Midday9286
                            312007813Evening3509
                            322007814Midday3180
                            332007814Evening1326
                            342007815Midday3216
                            352007815Evening9246
                            362007816Midday2180
                            372007816Evening1295
                            382007817Midday9587
                            392007817Evening4256
                            402007818Midday3492
                            412007818Evening2873
                            422007819Evening9056

                            This is the 'A missing 6-7-8' anomaly.

                            Continues...

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                              Posted: October 31, 2007, 4:31 am - IP Logged

                              Below are some bar graphs of the distribution for the Before and After.

                               

                              Before the suspected trigger date

                               

                              On and After the suspected trigger date

                               

                              You can see the dramatic shift in column, frequency and number.

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                              Any gain or loss is your responsibility.
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                              Order is a Subset of Chaos
                              Knowledge is Beyond Belief
                              Wisdom is Not Censored
                              Douglas Paul Smallish
                              Jehocifer