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Should tax payers be paid back after a win

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Win should pay back taxpayers for assistance

Yes.. We have pulled their asses [ 9 ]  [36.00%]
NO.. let them blow it. We will be there [ 16 ]  [64.00%]
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Posted: December 8, 2007, 9:38 am - IP Logged

Just a conversation I had with hubby and some friends..

We know several people who get public assistance... "Food stamps, Welfare Checks.. etc..."

(You meet all types, when you note vehicles for a living.. )

However, suppose one hits the big one...  "yes they do gamble with our tax money we give them to feed their children..."

 

Should they be required to pay back all the assistance they have received...

 

A social Security number should be able to identify how much Food stamps they received... etc.. etc..

They hit it big.. repay the state... the tax payers.. and if any is left let them blow it...

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    Posted: December 8, 2007, 10:17 am - IP Logged

    Although this is exactly the case in some states, I voted no - because the stats are something like 50% of jackpot winners go bankrupt within five years. 

    Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

    Lep

    There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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      Posted: December 8, 2007, 10:38 am - IP Logged

      I voted "Hell" NO

      On the simple basis that it was never a pre-condition to recieve aid in the first place.

      Also, why pick on these individuals when giant corporations and other governments get "Aid" from the U.S. Taxpayers - - some never pay US back, not to mention all the other aid and subcities out there. Why not talk about that!

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        Posted: December 8, 2007, 11:36 am - IP Logged

        people who receive government assistance no matter what gov. department pay taxes just like the rest of us. So i say no they shouldn't have to pay back money they received when they were on assistance.

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          Although this is exactly the case in some states, I voted no - because the stats are something like 50% of jackpot winners go bankrupt within five years. 

          If they had to pay it back after a huge win, then the money will be there to support their ass .   If they spend it  .......Then we are back to supporting them anyway.. Not allow them to put money on reserve..?

           

          We can name 10 or more people who are able body to work , but choose to live off the government.   They receive checks each month, food stamps, live in low income apartment or housing.   They lay around all day and complain when it is a week before the first that they have no cigarettes.   

           

          It is very disgusting to see them spend money on scratch offs...

          Just a week ago, I was told a family was about to be put into the dark... The utilities were being turned off.. The mom was trying to support the child on her income as a waitress.   I wrote a check and gave it to a lady who raising money to prevent this child from being in the cold. That Sunday,  the mom came in and bought $20 in cigarettes then visited the lottery section of the store.  After she left I asked my co worker what she bought.  Sure enough she bought scratch offs.. She won $50 and came in to collect.  She made the statement, "I sure needed a win..  she had bills to pay"... DUHHHHHHHHHHH

          I keep telling myself not to let this influence me on who I help in the future.. It is not the child's fault the mom is a NUT....

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            Posted: December 8, 2007, 12:23 pm - IP Logged

            I have heard of people going to McDonalds asking if they have food they are about to throw away, because they are hungry.. One manager told them they could eat two meals if they would sweep the parking lot.. The person said, "I am not here to work, I am hungry, I just want to eat."

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              Posted: December 8, 2007, 1:09 pm - IP Logged

              This is a very Interesting topic TnTea because it involves me Personally..November 7th, 1992 Me and my son were hunting and he accidently shot me with a shotgun in my right thigh at close range..since 1992 I have had 11 operations on my right leg to save and repair it..I have been on disability since May of 1993..I have only recently been playing the lottery and it is mainly because of online play and it is very simple..if I dont have any extra..I dont play no matter if I know something is coming or not..I think that is what drives me the most because I hate to miss..each day the percentage is going up and up..as you study more and more you will find a little more  and a little more..I hope I hit a big jackpot oneday because I have always said if I do I will repay back what I have been given...

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                Posted: December 8, 2007, 1:15 pm - IP Logged

                The question implies that the "taxpayers" would see a cent of this "returned" money. It should never have been taken to begin with. An involuntary fee, tax, or whatever-new-name-it's-given is not assistance, it's theft. It's theft if I steal your grandchild's new bicycle and give it to some kid down the street who "NSad ESad ESad DSad S" it more. It's theft if the gov't takes your money in the form of higher property taxes, converts (ahem ... conversion) it into a welfare check, and gives the check to someone who buys their kid a new bicycle. The difference is the degree of coercion the state or county and their courts can apply if you don't cooperate. 

                There is an entire infrastructure built upon the welfare state. Social workers & counselors, judges and court staff, landlords and lawyers, grocery stores, hair & nail salons, etc. Not to mention a good portion of the "criminal justice" system. All of those people would be in much less demand if not for the welfare state.

                In my state, people on welfare can't collect on big lottery prizes (over $599). While it is postured as a way to make sure they are using their(our) money "wisely", it really ensures that they won't by some fluke of luck escape the welfare system, and therefore lower demand for the salaried parasites whose job security depends on their participation.   

                The difference between a fortune 500 with a gov't contract (jackpot) and a person on public assistance winning the lottery is stigma.

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                  Posted: December 8, 2007, 1:20 pm - IP Logged

                  I think it should be weighed on a case by case basis. There are people who work as hard as they can and still need welfare, in their case it might not be fair to make them pay everything back. But that isn't the case with everyone, and perhaps they should give us our money back.

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                    Posted: December 8, 2007, 1:26 pm - IP Logged

                    Just a conversation I had with hubby and some friends..

                    We know several people who get public assistance... "Food stamps, Welfare Checks.. etc..."

                    (You meet all types, when you note vehicles for a living.. )

                    However, suppose one hits the big one...  "yes they do gamble with our tax money we give them to feed their children..."

                     

                    Should they be required to pay back all the assistance they have received...

                     

                    A social Security number should be able to identify how much Food stamps they received... etc.. etc..

                    They hit it big.. repay the state... the tax payers.. and if any is left let them blow it...

                    i don't know how welfare works in every state but i thought they changed the rules ... Welfare Reform. You can get welfare assistance but sooner or later you have to seek employment and stay employed or lose your welfare.

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                      Posted: December 8, 2007, 1:29 pm - IP Logged

                      I have heard of people going to McDonalds asking if they have food they are about to throw away, because they are hungry.. One manager told them they could eat two meals if they would sweep the parking lot.. The person said, "I am not here to work, I am hungry, I just want to eat."

                      I voted no.  It is true that some people on assistance could work and some use their assistance money very unwisely.  But I disagree with punishing all for the sins of what I believe is the minority. 

                      My sister is on assistance and is so disabled that she is unable to even sit up in a wheelchair more than a few hours at a time.  After she was paralyzed some 25 years ago, she (with the help of assistance) completed her remaining two years of college and worked and paid taxes for perhaps ten or fifteen years before she became so severely disabled she was forced to quit work and go back on assistance, living in an assisted living facility.  If she, for example, were to spend an occasional dollar of her money (which she doesn't) on a lottery ticket, do you seriously think she should have to pay back these last 10-15 years of assistance should she win big?  And since I have signed a notorized form gifting her a partial interest in every MM ticket I buy, should she have to pay back her years pf assistance out of any win when it is me paying for the tickets?  A decent size win would enable her to go off assistance temporarily or a big win permanently, and she would be back in the position of paying taxes like the rest of us again.

                      I wish there were a way to force some sense into those who use assistance money unwisely, but though I haven't known a lot of individuals receiving assistance personally, the majority of those I have known through the years have been both deserving and used the money with at least reasonable caution.  But on assistance or not, as someone else on this board says, there is no cure for stupid.  And there will probably always be a certain number who fall in that category.

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                        One other thing; in some states (don't know if it is every), people on disability get X amount of dollars. If they try to be ambitious and supplement their income by getting a part time job paying Z dollars, their disability check is reduced to X - Z dollars.

                        Who do you suppose made that rule? Maybe -->Evil Smile? Certainly not the people on the dole. 

                        Let's see: Work part time: make X dollars or Sit on my couch: make X dollars. Not a contest for most people. 

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                          i don't know how welfare works in every state but i thought they changed the rules ... Welfare Reform. You can get welfare assistance but sooner or later you have to seek employment and stay employed or lose your welfare.

                          Boy that would be a pipe dream....

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                            Good points, time*treat.

                            Welfare agencies have to have welfare people to administer to, now don't they? 

                            Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                            Lep

                            There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                              Posted: December 8, 2007, 1:57 pm - IP Logged

                              There are people who really need the assistance... NO DOUBT there...

                              However, there are lot who just refuses to find a job..

                              I had a student in a wheel chair.. With MD.. she finished high school.. Got her own apartment... She receives around the clock assistance since she is unable to feed herself... put herself to bed.. 

                              She works daily as a greeter at Walmart.. She receives a pay check for that...

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