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Should tax payers be paid back after a win

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Win should pay back taxpayers for assistance

Yes.. We have pulled their asses [ 9 ]  [36.00%]
NO.. let them blow it. We will be there [ 16 ]  [64.00%]
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Posted: December 8, 2007, 2:10 pm - IP Logged

Should the people who file bankruptcy pay all the money back if they hit the big money after filing?

Laws are made to protect or punish on either side of the boat.

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    I'm going to say no. My mom got some assistance for help about 15 years ago and was on it for two years. She never bought Mcdonalds, lottery tickets or crap like that, when she was on it. She used it to help the family when we had a tough time. She bought school clothes, food and used it to pay bills. Not everyone who gets a helping hand is a bad seed. She has been working regularly & hard for over 10 years now and pays her taxes. If she ever wins the lottery now, I see no need for her to have to pay anything back. 

    Plus, what's with the way the choices are worded?

    Yes.. We have pulled their asses (Nobody pulled my familys ass. Roll Eyes God forbid someone have something horrible happen in their lives and need a little assistance to help them out of it.)

    NO.. let them blow it. We will be there (I really hate how this is worded.  My mother wouldn't be blowing anything if she ever won the lottery. She is a smart woman and you and nobody else would get any joy of seeing her fail. )

    This poll and question really has some hateful undertones to it.  I didn't like the way you worded it so I discarded my vote.

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      I'm going to say no. My mom got some assistance for help about 15 years ago and was on it for two years. She never bought Mcdonalds, lottery tickets or crap like that, when she was on it. She used it to help the family when we had a tough time. She bought school clothes, food and used it to pay bills. Not everyone who gets a helping hand is a bad seed. She has been working regularly & hard for over 10 years now and pays her taxes. If she ever wins the lottery now, I see no need for her to have to pay anything back. 

      Plus, what's with the way the choices are worded?

      Yes.. We have pulled their asses (Nobody pulled my familys ass. Roll Eyes God forbid someone have something horrible happen in their lives and need a little assistance to help them out of it.)

      NO.. let them blow it. We will be there (I really hate how this is worded.  My mother wouldn't be blowing anything if she ever won the lottery. She is a smart woman and you and nobody else would get any joy of seeing her fail. )

      This poll and question really has some hateful undertones to it.  I didn't like the way you worded it so I discarded my vote.

      The wording wasn't worded in the way I intended.  I am talking about those people who refuse to work period.

      My mother received assistance for us when we were little. She refused to allow my grandmother go to a nursing home to died.. Mother sat with her in our home day and night.  (Mother would not allow anyone to take care of her own children, so she had to have her mother at our home so she could have the children and her mother in view.)

      We lived across from a school.   Mother refused to let my older sisters receive free lunches at school.  Each day she prepared lunch and walked across the street to help them across.   They ate with us and mother walked them back..

       

      The churches paid our utilities and we recieved food from a food bank..  When this conversation comes up with her around.  She says she would gladly pay back the monies received from the government that fed her children while she cared for her mother..  She would also give to churches to help with other's light bill... (Which is nothing she isn't doing now..)

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        Posted: December 8, 2007, 4:12 pm - IP Logged

        Just a conversation I had with hubby and some friends..

        We know several people who get public assistance... "Food stamps, Welfare Checks.. etc..."

        (You meet all types, when you note vehicles for a living.. )

        However, suppose one hits the big one...  "yes they do gamble with our tax money we give them to feed their children..."

         

        Should they be required to pay back all the assistance they have received...

         

        A social Security number should be able to identify how much Food stamps they received... etc.. etc..

        They hit it big.. repay the state... the tax payers.. and if any is left let them blow it...

        You ask, should they be required to pay back all the assistance they have received? 

        Yes, absolutely.  After all, they can afford to pay back.  Pay back so others may have. 

        I have no doubt that those who truly need assistance and are receiving assistance, will not have any hesitation paying back once they are able to. 

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          Posted: December 8, 2007, 5:18 pm - IP Logged

          You ask, should they be required to pay back all the assistance they have received? 

          Yes, absolutely.  After all, they can afford to pay back.  Pay back so others may have. 

          I have no doubt that those who truly need assistance and are receiving assistance, will not have any hesitation paying back once they are able to. 

          Would you think those who wouldn't want to pay back the assistance receive would be those who are greedy?

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            Posted: December 8, 2007, 6:01 pm - IP Logged

            Just as a sidenote FYI, America actually started out socialist and when that flopped they started all over.  

            The original colonists found out the hard way that when someone was suppossed to be contibuting one crop in exchange for something else, and found out they could get it whether they delivered or not, the idea was scrapped.

            Another failed utopia was a place called New Harmony, Indiana, interesting to read up on.  

            Also, studies have been done on welfare families that are second and third and beyone recipieents of welfare. 

            The first generation thinks, "This is awful, we're on welfare",  and a generation or so later the attitude is, "Where's the check."

            But there are those who genuinely need assistance and shouldn't be denied it.

            As for playing lottery tickets, "Walk in the other guy's shoes" I guess.

            Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

            Lep

            There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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              Just as a sidenote FYI, America actually started out socialist and when that flopped they started all over.  

              The original colonists found out the hard way that when someone was suppossed to be contibuting one crop in exchange for something else, and found out they could get it whether they delivered or not, the idea was scrapped.

              Another failed utopia was a place called New Harmony, Indiana, interesting to read up on.  

              Also, studies have been done on welfare families that are second and third and beyone recipieents of welfare. 

              The first generation thinks, "This is awful, we're on welfare",  and a generation or so later the attitude is, "Where's the check."

              But there are those who genuinely need assistance and shouldn't be denied it.

              As for playing lottery tickets, "Walk in the other guy's shoes" I guess.

              During my first few years as a teacher,   I remember a family who told their 12 year old that they would draw a check if they didn't learn to read.  If they so happen to learn, not to tell anyone.   The little girl had no common sense to know that the conversation should not be told to the teacher. 

               

              When I teach a concept, I always let the kids know how they will use it in the future.. Say, figuring tax, percentages off,  interest, applying for a job and so forth.. This child told the class she wouldn't be applying for a job,  that would cut out her monthly check she was already drawing.  Several of the students asked why they don't get a check...

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                Posted: December 8, 2007, 11:41 pm - IP Logged

                Should the people who file bankruptcy pay all the money back if they hit the big money after filing?

                Laws are made to protect or punish on either side of the boat.

                I would think so...

                of course if they lost their house or car in process,  they should skip those pay backs...

                but credit cards, medical bills.. etc should be included in pay back..

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                  Posted: December 9, 2007, 12:30 am - IP Logged

                  Just a conversation I had with hubby and some friends..

                  We know several people who get public assistance... "Food stamps, Welfare Checks.. etc..."

                  (You meet all types, when you note vehicles for a living.. )

                  However, suppose one hits the big one...  "yes they do gamble with our tax money we give them to feed their children..."

                   

                  Should they be required to pay back all the assistance they have received...

                   

                  A social Security number should be able to identify how much Food stamps they received... etc.. etc..

                  They hit it big.. repay the state... the tax payers.. and if any is left let them blow it...

                  I don't agree, the people paid their taxes into the system at one point in life, so they are receiving a benefit from a system they once supported. I don't think these people should pay it back; however, if the person never paid any taxes into the system then I feel paying it back would be justified.

                  A few years ago, billionaire Warren Buffett advised  "Investors should remember that excitement and expenses are their enemies. And if they insist on trying to time their participation in equities, they should try to be fearful when others are greedy and greedy only when others are fearful."

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                    Posted: December 10, 2007, 12:50 am - IP Logged

                    Just a conversation I had with hubby and some friends..

                    We know several people who get public assistance... "Food stamps, Welfare Checks.. etc..."

                    (You meet all types, when you note vehicles for a living.. )

                    However, suppose one hits the big one...  "yes they do gamble with our tax money we give them to feed their children..."

                     

                    Should they be required to pay back all the assistance they have received...

                     

                    A social Security number should be able to identify how much Food stamps they received... etc.. etc..

                    They hit it big.. repay the state... the tax payers.. and if any is left let them blow it...

                    Hmmm...

                    Should companies that recieve corporate welfare be required to pay back all the assistance they recieved after making a profit??

                    http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/time/1998/11/02/corp.welfare.html

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                      I agree with the hell no side of this question.

                      Repayment, as noted in state and even federal code, is based on fraud or some sort of processing error.  So, if you are to payback something based on 'advancement of assets' (in English-your not broke anymore), then an awful lot of people would be required to ante up.

                      Take a look at our old buddy, David Edwards.  He was on public assistance of sort, unemployment, when he won.  Spent $7 he couldn't afford on tickets and won $27,000,000.  Had he had the money while collecting unemployment, he could have been charged with fraud if he didn't report the income.  But, he was not in violation of the law had he continued to collect because of the nature of unemployment: it's funded by the worker, for the most part.  Public aid, like welfare, isn't what it used to be.  Today, welfare is doled out with an iron spon, is hard to get and, yes, is tied to income.  If you were on welfare and won the lottery, you would have to stop receiving it.

                      We all pay for such things in our taxes.  Taxes paid by lottery winners are in the general fund mix as well.  We try to help those who need it rather than having them homeless, starving and in general disrepair.  The new winner, mind you, would have paid back, in kind, anything they received in aid with their tax hit.  So, it sort of balances out.

                       Since companies are in business to make a profit, and if tax dollars help them do that, then it's only fair they return something to government.  Without our taxes, they wouldn't have gained.  It's gain vs failure.  They gained, at our expense.

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                        Hmmm...

                        Should companies that recieve corporate welfare be required to pay back all the assistance they recieved after making a profit??

                        http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/time/1998/11/02/corp.welfare.html

                        You dang right they should...

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                          Posted: December 10, 2007, 6:53 pm - IP Logged

                          I would think so...

                          of course if they lost their house or car in process,  they should skip those pay backs...

                          but credit cards, medical bills.. etc should be included in pay back..

                          Why should it matter how bad off they were? It's about how well of they are if they win. If you took my money when you were down and you've now got enough to pay it back then you should pay it back. If you buy lottery tickets with my money, I'm sure as hell entitled to be paid back if one of those tickets wins enough money to do so.

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                            Posted: December 10, 2007, 7:12 pm - IP Logged

                            You dang right they should...

                            I Agree!

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                              Why should it matter how bad off they were? It's about how well of they are if they win. If you took my money when you were down and you've now got enough to pay it back then you should pay it back. If you buy lottery tickets with my money, I'm sure as hell entitled to be paid back if one of those tickets wins enough money to do so.

                              They are taking your money...  If you are paying taxes.. They are taking it...

                               

                              We are talking about winning Millions here... And one knows that the government will not spend Millions per year per person to keep them up.. So it is not like taking from the poor... They aren't poor any more if they win millions.. 

                               

                              Some just have a beef to pick at me.  It is issues they carry.. Sad ones at that.. I am not making any rules.. I only started a conversation.

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