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Posted: June 18, 2008, 10:53 am - IP Logged

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" You can make a living playing the lottery but few people do. They ARE professional gamblers. They know when to play and when to fold."

I'll agree with the know when to hold and know when to fold, but that in itself hints at professional gamblers being poker players for the most part. There are also those that making a living betting sports, and some that make a living betting the ponies (but they usually have inside information, AHEM!)

But "professional gambler" and "lottery" just do not mix. I had twenty years of casino work, most of it in Vegas, and of the few true professional gamblers I met none of them even played the lottery.

In gambling circles it's considerd that poker and sports are the only things that can be beat consistently, and of the professional gamblers that can do it they advise other people not to try it, it's a very tough way of making a living. Lotteries aren't even considered.

Anyone who tells you they make a living playing the lottery should start that statement with "Once upon a time..."

Green laughGreen laughGreen laughokay CoinToss, how about suppliment their income very nicely.

Play to win!

    RJOh's avatar - chipmunk
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    Posted: June 18, 2008, 12:43 pm - IP Logged

    Green laughGreen laughGreen laughokay CoinToss, how about suppliment their income very nicely.

    Jack, you got that backward, the states use lotteries to supplement their income.   Yes Nod LOL No Nod 

     * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
       
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      Posted: June 18, 2008, 2:31 pm - IP Logged

      Or our Wiccan friend Bunky who won a share of the huge MM jackpot last year.

       

      Or the convicted sex offender who one something like ten million.

      Funny I mentioned this and I was going to mention ex-cons winning too in a reference to David Edwards but it looked like I was putting him, Bunky and that other guy together didn't look right. The guy who one the MM drawing last week is both! Uhh I mean he's an ex-con and a registered sex offender, not Wiccan. The story should be up soon....

      You can't predict random.

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        You sound like you're "crying over spilt milk

        back then i was fuming mad at myself for the rest of that year about losing close to 40 grand it was the biggest mistake i ever made (stop playing your numbers and they will come out.)
        Let me reiterate every time i put my money down on numbers i go onto it with every expectation of winning because i have poured over the numbers and did a couple paper and pencil workouts studied my excel files looked at the numbers forward, backward, and every conceivable way you can, made my selections and was positively sure that one of my picks would be drawn.
         
        I've been playing the lottery for almost 38 years and i can assure the lottery got more of my money than i ever won combined in all those years. While i have won many pick 3 straights which i deemed payback money more to play with the 5000 dollar wins were the best overall wins because it meant i had recouped much of the money i spent playing the lottery. However to be profitable playing the lottery you need more wins to cover out of pocket expenditures. Odds being what they are the only way to accomplish that is to put down more bucks on the number you think might come out straight.   
         
        I've been waiting a long time for a specific pick 4 number to come out straight i play it 5 dollars straight and on the day my workouts point to that number possibly showing up straight i bet quite a bit more. Every fiber of my mind and body is poised for that specific number to be drawn and it has yet to come out straight.
         
        When the number fails to show it can be heart wrenching mind boggling if you miss by one and then repeat to yourself a quote form every avid lottery player to (play your picks one up one down.) been there done that and have won doing it.  
         
        At this moment i am just in the dumps about it and will continue to try and overcome the tremendous odds of winning pick 4 straight. Bought several pick 4 tickets for today's midday draw and had two tickets missed by one number. That sure did put an ice pick in my positive thinking.
         
        See big John didn't create the quote below just for me he quotes it to everybody that complains about their picks not winning.  

        Big John says. You don't hit the number. The number hits you!!!!

                       I'm not Big John, I'm Four4me, Big John's a friend.
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          Posted: June 18, 2008, 3:17 pm - IP Logged

          Funny I mentioned this and I was going to mention ex-cons winning too in a reference to David Edwards but it looked like I was putting him, Bunky and that other guy together didn't look right. The guy who one the MM drawing last week is both! Uhh I mean he's an ex-con and a registered sex offender, not Wiccan. The story should be up soon....

          Just googled like crazy to find info on this win. I like reading their "stories" on their win. But this one kinda has me drawn.  He has some convictions yes. Like breaking and entering and stuff.  But the sex offender thing gets to me. I don't know if I should be happy or mad...It didn't say, of course, exactly what his crime was. But I guess it dosen't matter, he did it.  Registered till 2024.  Just got lucky I guess, it could happen to anyone. But the website I saw it on had mixed feelings. Some were real mad that he won. Some even said "there is no god".  Some suggested that he pay back all the Michigan tax payers who paid for his bu** to be in jail, and others said he did his time and be happy for him.  MY view is........I shall not judge because god is the true judge. But yes, I am a bit taken by the "one" who was in the right place at the right time.  I have 3 children, and I if anyone ever hurt them, I wouldn't think they didn't  deserved to breath let alone win.  SOOOO, my thought is that no, the good lord does not choose......its mear luck. Maybe god is punishing him in a way. What I mean by that is watch and see what he does with his money, OR what the money does to him.

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            Posted: June 18, 2008, 3:50 pm - IP Logged

            It's very funny and also incredibly egotistical that people actually think something somewhere actually cares about us, watching our every move, doling out good fortune and methodically calculates revenge upon us when we do something wrong.  I can't believe people are still gullible to believe that way. If there is something that controlls the universe i'm sure it has much bigger problems to worry about than if jane doe is going to win the lottery. but hey that's just my opinion.

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              It's all about Timing...

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                Just googled like crazy to find info on this win. I like reading their "stories" on their win. But this one kinda has me drawn.  He has some convictions yes. Like breaking and entering and stuff.  But the sex offender thing gets to me. I don't know if I should be happy or mad...It didn't say, of course, exactly what his crime was. But I guess it dosen't matter, he did it.  Registered till 2024.  Just got lucky I guess, it could happen to anyone. But the website I saw it on had mixed feelings. Some were real mad that he won. Some even said "there is no god".  Some suggested that he pay back all the Michigan tax payers who paid for his bu** to be in jail, and others said he did his time and be happy for him.  MY view is........I shall not judge because god is the true judge. But yes, I am a bit taken by the "one" who was in the right place at the right time.  I have 3 children, and I if anyone ever hurt them, I wouldn't think they didn't  deserved to breath let alone win.  SOOOO, my thought is that no, the good lord does not choose......its mear luck. Maybe god is punishing him in a way. What I mean by that is watch and see what he does with his money, OR what the money does to him.

                I guess to be fair we don't know all the circumstances but still he's a three time convicted felon. Hope his life is straightened out and everything but I have a feeling we'll be hearing from this guy at some point later on. His friends said they "cleaned him out" playing poker that Friday he won and he went on a beer run or whatever when he bought the ticket. From the article I read  Fred Topous served around six or seven years for attempted sexual assault and was in jail from 1999 to 2006 for it along with his two previous felonies from 1984 and 1988. He better not complain about this attention though, even though maybe he didn't know it, but he could have always tried to claim it without getting his name released.

                 

                I think I see the page you came across, it's from the same site I saw the story at but, except in the blog section. Don't people have to pay the state back when they win or is that only government assistance programs?

                 

                Hopefully Todd will get the story up soon, though I have a feeling he might be busy with life. 

                You can't predict random.

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                  I guess to be fair we don't know all the circumstances but still he's a three time convicted felon. Hope his life is straightened out and everything but I have a feeling we'll be hearing from this guy at some point later on. His friends said they "cleaned him out" playing poker that Friday he won and he went on a beer run or whatever when he bought the ticket. From the article I read  Fred Topous served around six or seven years for attempted sexual assault and was in jail from 1999 to 2006 for it along with his two previous felonies from 1984 and 1988. He better not complain about this attention though, even though maybe he didn't know it, but he could have always tried to claim it without getting his name released.

                   

                  I think I see the page you came across, it's from the same site I saw the story at but, except in the blog section. Don't people have to pay the state back when they win or is that only government assistance programs?

                   

                  Hopefully Todd will get the story up soon, though I have a feeling he might be busy with life. 

                  ya! I was wondering why he didn't claim anonymously. I mean, we still don't know who the heck won in Amelia Ohio....do we?  We all know about the David Edwards story. When he won, seems like everyone not only found out who won, but every little part of his past it seems. If I were to have Fred Topous' background, and won the JP, I would tell no one.  I would just be scared of the hate mail and such.  Some folks don't care for having a sex offender in their neighborhood, let alone a sex offender who just was "blessed" as some might say with winning millions as a neighbor. I guess we don't know him, so we can't judge. Its just that a crime against a child is the worst thing you can do in my mind.  Website said he has a wife and children? I would of kept it to myself just to protect them.  Wonder if he needs to pay to his victims of the crimes? Or he should be pressured to give to a organization set up for victims of abuse or something.Disapprove

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                    I could see this guy being another "lottery loser" with his history and potential changes that will happen in his and his family's life, even if they're not of his own doing. I dunno if I'd go as far as calling him the potential next Edwards, I was going to earlier but I changed my mind because Edwards was a guy with a drug problem and didn't seperate himself from those who also had problems. Then of course there was his gross ignorance and naivity in how to handle what he was given, who not to trust and a handful of other issues along a need to impress others with what he could buy. This guy might handle it better, as long as his getting cleaned out playing poker with some guys is just an occasional thing and not a sign of liking to gamble too much. I think he better move to where no one knows him though even then he really can't hide since he'd still have to register wherever he went. Hopefully a lot of good comes out of it, especially for his children.



                    I'm not completely sure but I don't believe Michigan's sex offender registry isn't reserved just for cases against minors. What he was convicted of is rather vague when it comes to the age range of the offense but there's no mention of it having to do with a minor, if it did it'd probably have a mention of there being "multiple variables". So I don't think it'd be fair to say the victim was a minor unless it's certain, it's still bad enough as it is.. I've looked around the Michigan SOR many times, just to see my area and there is an alarming number of offenders for such a low population.

                     

                    Ugh I started writing this something like an hour ago but then got caught up trying to find more info. Hopefully no one replied yet.

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                      Posted: June 18, 2008, 10:05 pm - IP Logged

                      The new title to this thread...

                      "Does God pick felons and sex offenders?"

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                        If there really is a divine intervention on who wins jackpots, why don't we see 50 people split a $100 million or never see a jackpot over $16 million? Does the average person really need to win over $10 million to live comfortably for the rest of their lives no matter how old they are?

                        Luck is another force that was mentioned but when somebody buys 2 QPs, are they lucky if they matched five numbers or unlucky because the missed the Powerball or Mega ball? When you look at the odds, they could be considered lucky if they matched numbers; are there different degrees of luck?

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                          Very true, this is another topic that kind of reminds me of Bruce Almighty. If there's a God and God really did have a sense of humor s/he'd let a thousands win a jackpot at the same time. That would be quite a amusing. I know it's not out of the realm of reality for several people to win a jackpot, to where the amount won is split so much that one couldn't help but feel a little disappointed but that's just how things can be screwy sometimes. Just imagine how those people in California who matched five numbers last Friday felt after their excitement of winning only to find out that the amount they won is a bit of a joke for a second tier prize that most everywhere else would have been worth about seven and a half times as much.

                          Just buy a quick pick or five and dream, if you're going to win you're going to win, there's nothing supernatural about it. I think that's been proven time after time to be the case.

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                            Very true, this is another topic that kind of reminds me of Bruce Almighty. If there's a God and God really did have a sense of humor s/he'd let a thousands win a jackpot at the same time. That would be quite a amusing. I know it's not out of the realm of reality for several people to win a jackpot, to where the amount won is split so much that one couldn't help but feel a little disappointed but that's just how things can be screwy sometimes. Just imagine how those people in California who matched five numbers last Friday felt after their excitement of winning only to find out that the amount they won is a bit of a joke for a second tier prize that most everywhere else would have been worth about seven and a half times as much.

                            Just buy a quick pick or five and dream, if you're going to win you're going to win, there's nothing supernatural about it. I think that's been proven time after time to be the case.

                            "Just buy a quick pick or five and dream, if you're going to win you're going to win, there's nothing supernatural about it. I think that's been proven time after time to be the case."

                            We know they are going to draw 5 numbers plus a power or mega ball number so there is a real chance one our tickets winning. But when we compare those 5 chances to the 1 in 36.61 or 1 in 40 chance of winning anything and one chance compared to 146 or 175 million possible combinations that real chance of winning the jackpot is only a dream.

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                              Very true, this is another topic that kind of reminds me of Bruce Almighty. If there's a God and God really did have a sense of humor s/he'd let a thousands win a jackpot at the same time. That would be quite a amusing. I know it's not out of the realm of reality for several people to win a jackpot, to where the amount won is split so much that one couldn't help but feel a little disappointed but that's just how things can be screwy sometimes. Just imagine how those people in California who matched five numbers last Friday felt after their excitement of winning only to find out that the amount they won is a bit of a joke for a second tier prize that most everywhere else would have been worth about seven and a half times as much.

                              Just buy a quick pick or five and dream, if you're going to win you're going to win, there's nothing supernatural about it. I think that's been proven time after time to be the case.

                              Losers come up with plenty of reasons why they lost but many winners believe their winnings was a blessing from heaven and say so.   Who are you going to believe?

                              As far as a bunch of people winning the same lottery jackpot, that has happened.  Years ago I read of over a hundred people winning the California lottery and a couple of years ago a large group of people all over the country matched 5+0 in PowerBall when they all played the same numbers from some fortune cookies.  And don't forget about all the NY pick3 players who matched three playing 911 on the first anniversary of 911.    I'm sure the same thing would happen again if there was a LP predictor known to predict winners because a lot of LP members would be playing his/her numbers.

                               * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                                 
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