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Start off with only 527 numbers ...not 1000 each day.

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Posted: July 10, 2008, 6:21 pm - IP Logged

   ..                     Start off each day with 527 numbers.....not a 1000 numbers.

    If you use just the Single numbers each draw you can end up with only 527 numbers to look at.

      Most of the time digits do not repeat on top of them-self ! 

      For example ....  say the draw today was 123 in that order.

      If we filter out all the numbers that contain digit 1 in first position.....2 in 2nd position and ......3 in the 3rd position then it leaves us with only 527 straight numbers to consider instead of 1000 or 720 if we don't use doubles.  

     See ....look below. IF we take out all the numbers that have those digit s ......in those 3 positions we cut almost half the chart.

012, 014, 015, 016, 017, 018, 019, 031, 032, 034, 035, 036, 037, 038, 039, 041, 042, 045, 046, 047, 048, 049, 051, 052, 054, 056, 057, 058, 059, 061, 062, 064, 065, 067, 068, 069, 071, 072, 074, 075, 076, 078, 079, 081, 082, 084, 085, 086, 087, 089, 091, 092, 094, 095, 096, 097, 098, 201, 204, 205, 206, 207, 208, 209, 210, 214, 215, 216, 217, 218, 219, 230, 231, 234, 235, 236, 237, 238, 239, 240, 241, 245, 246, 247, 248, 249, 250, 251, 254, 256, 257, 258, 259, 260, 261, 264, 265, 267, 268, 269, 270, 271, 274, 275, 276, 278, 279, 280, 281, 284, 285, 286, 287, 289, 290, 291, 294, 295, 296, 297, 298, 301, 302, 304, 305, 306, 307, 308, 309, 310, 312, 314, 315, 316, 317, 318, 319, 340, 341, 342, 345, 346, 347, 348, 349, 350, 351, 352, 354, 356, 357, 358, 359, 360, 361, 362, 364, 365, 367, 368, 369, 370, 371, 372, 374, 375, 376, 378, 379, 380, 381, 382, 384, 385, 386, 387, 389, 390, 391, 392, 394, 395, 396, 397, 398, 401, 402, 405, 406, 407, 408, 409, 410, 412, 415, 416, 417, 418, 419, 430, 431, 432, 435, 436, 437, 438, 439, 450, 451, 452, 456, 457, 458, 459, 460, 461, 462, 465, 467, 468, 469, 470, 471, 472, 475, 476, 478, 479, 480, 481, 482, 485, 486, 487, 489, 490, 491, 492, 495, 496, 497, 498, 501, 502, 504, 506, 507, 508, 509, 510, 512, 514, 516, 517, 518, 519, 530, 531, 532, 534, 536, 537, 538, 539, 540, 541, 542, 546, 547, 548, 549, 560, 561, 562, 564, 567, 568, 569, 570, 571, 572, 574, 576, 578, 579, 580, 581, 582, 584, 586, 587, 589, 590, 591, 592, 594, 596, 597, 598, 601, 602, 604, 605, 607, 608, 609, 610, 612, 614, 615, 617, 618, 619, 630, 631, 632, 634, 635, 637, 638, 639, 640, 641, 642, 645, 647, 648, 649, 650, 651, 652, 654, 657, 658, 659, 670, 671, 672, 674, 675, 678, 679, 680, 681, 682, 684, 685, 687, 689, 690, 691, 692, 694, 695, 697, 698, 701, 702, 704, 705, 706, 708, 709, 710, 712, 714, 715, 716, 718, 719, 730, 731, 732, 734, 735, 736, 738, 739, 740, 741, 742, 745, 746, 748, 749, 750, 751, 752, 754, 756, 758, 759, 760, 761, 762, 764, 765, 768, 769, 780, 781, 782, 784, 785, 786, 789, 790, 791, 792, 794, 795, 796, 798, 801, 802, 804, 805, 806, 807, 809, 810, 812, 814, 815, 816, 817, 819, 830, 831, 832, 834, 835, 836, 837, 839, 840, 841, 842, 845, 846, 847, 849, 850, 851, 852, 854, 856, 857, 859, 860, 861, 862, 864, 865, 867, 869, 870, 871, 872, 874, 875, 876, 879, 890, 891, 892, 894, 895, 896, 897, 901, 902, 904, 905, 906, 907, 908, 910, 912, 914, 915, 916, 917, 918, 930, 931, 932, 934, 935, 936, 937, 938, 940, 941, 942, 945, 946, 947, 948, 950, 951, 952, 954, 956, 957, 958, 960, 961, 962, 964, 965, 967, 968, 970, 971, 972, 974, 975, 976, 978, 980, 981, 982, 984, 985, 986, 987

 

 So ........ remember these are Straights your starting with.  

   

elimating the digit by position it could come in another position.

So your exact order prs using even-odd/high and low could flip that digit to another position.

you have the 123 as an examle.

The three could return in position one or two. the 123 having low odd /low even /low odd.

An exact pair by group could return the 3 with a 0 or 4 or 2 retuning your low even/ low odd exact pr set

So it could come 30x or 03x or 34x or 43x or 23x

Exact order prs by group do flip-flop to another position not necessarily in the exact same order of last drawn.

WHATT

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    Good Grief..... I haven't seen this many "Old Bears" coming down from their caves in a long long time !  LOLSinglesDoublesTriples

     So good to see everyone ....makes me feel kinda misty and pine for the good old days.  Nice to have so many experienced eyes on this tricky deal here.

     

     Say Jack...  I went back 60 days this time and pulled up the Singles .... and looking from just single to single numbers it still looked pretty good. I had to go back to the 548 there .... to find the first stinker. I did it by eye but..... i only counted 13 stinkers out of the total of  46 .....single to single matches. 

     Thats only a 28% miss rate.. out of the 46 total singles.   Counting singles to singles .... thats a 72% success rate on the draws singles actually hit. Thats about the most we can ever hope for ...... heck .... we only play singles .....and thats 33 good hits out of the total of 60 draws ....including doubles ...stinkers , everything and everybody.  Thats 55% over all good.   

     

    Number Types:
    Singles46 76.7%

    826 085 106 453 916 837 548536 426 253 149 907 176 759 097 063 021 259 609 495 815 924 216 641 197 953 630 140 391 194 360 310 087 475 564 734 961 159 960 780 973 497 547 315 354 493  <<<-------

     

    Doubles1321.7%877 441 050 711 400 443 551 636 455 117 116 225 811
    Triples11.7%777

     

     

    The only real failure .....is the failure to try.                               

                                  Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much. 

                                  Odds never change .....but probability does. 

                                                                                           Win d    

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      Posted: July 10, 2008, 6:25 pm - IP Logged

      Chaz,

        This is a very good str8 system.

      This is Fla's entire history stat for 1 draw repeats Pos 1. Look at the Max skip for entire history, 4 draws. Only play 3 days-in-a-row. 

       

        ONE DRAW REPEATS  MINMAXAVGSKIP
      90%06674041.11 0
      10%17501769.90 1

      I worded this wrong,"Only play 3 days-in-a-row". After you see a repeat, play it won't happen again.

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        Todd,

         

        Are you serious????  What a jerk!  Boy, things sure change when you're away for a while don't they!

         

        Oh well ....... my advice to any "newbie" is to stick with the "good folks" and they'll guide you down the right path (i.e. Blackapple, others).  It's sad to hear that someone is being a jerk!

        Good Luck All,

        John

        BOW WOW WOW ......

        ...... YIPPY YOH YIPPY YAY!!!

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          Looks like you are just skipping over the losers and feeling good about what is left.  Your pocket book wouldn't feel that good!

          So, I haven't read all of your post, but you find fault with what I listed for the last 60 draws?

          Would you please use MY list and show me where I went wrong.  I thought the only winners were the ones with 1 or more repeat, not in the same position as last draw, and no doubles.  Where am I going wrong?

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            Posted: July 10, 2008, 7:13 pm - IP Logged

            @Win  D:

            "Old Bears" coming down from their caves  Big Grin  Love the image, and agree with the sentiment!

            Some of us are actually becoming Old BearsBeaver 

             

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               Sorry Jack ..... gave it my best shot up there....with the averages and %'s etc.  Maybe it will look better when we plug in some more filters .....later on if possible.  

              Like so many systems that are put out there... they don't look as good playing every single day ....on automatic ....no matter what. Playing straight through .  It's still a lot of touch and feel with a hands on the wheel deal .... and brakes on some days......  for sure.  At least a little better than normal Hail Mary...maybe.   

               Plus.... I missed playing tonight   Oogle  LOL   

               

               

                  Just saw your message Todd...   

                  Yes, good times ....really good old days ! 

               

               

              The only real failure .....is the failure to try.                               

                                            Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much. 

                                            Odds never change .....but probability does. 

                                                                                                     Win d    

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                 Sorry Jack ..... gave it my best shot up there....with the averages and %'s etc.  Maybe it will look better when we plug in some more filters .....later on if possible.  

                Like so many systems that are put out there... they don't look as good playing every single day ....on automatic ....no matter what. Playing straight through .  It's still a lot of touch and feel with a hands on the wheel deal .... and brakes on some days......  for sure.  At least a little better than normal Hail Mary...maybe.   

                 Plus.... I missed playing tonight   Oogle  LOL   

                 

                 

                    Just saw your message Todd...   

                    Yes, good times ....really good old days ! 

                Yes, if we only knew what draws to skip!  I show a 35% win rate in California Evening.  Don't get me wrong, I do like your theory a LOT, but doing it EXACTLY as you first posted, doesn't work very well in California.  On the other hand, maybe 35% is good enough.  I am not good with the math, so I don't know.

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                  Posted: July 10, 2008, 8:31 pm - IP Logged

                  Hey WinD,

                  I like you elimination method. 

                  Reduce 1000 down to 527.

                  I'm experimenting this idea up here in PA evening.

                  The filters I will be using is the following:

                  1.  Reduce 1000 down to 527

                  2.  Reduce the 527 down to 97

                       a.  eliminate all sums that are less than 6 and greater than 23

                       b.  eliminate all combos that do NOT have a pair (no-match boxed) in all 3 positions (Front, Back, and Side) that have 29 skips or less.  So I'm using any Boxed Pair that has a skip of 30 or more.

                   

                  PAIRSPA3E
                  8972
                  1467
                  4858
                  4756
                  0446
                  1331
                  2830

                      c.  eliminate any combo that has hit within the last 365 draws.

                   

                  Here are the 97 Picks:

                   

                  BOXSTR8H
                  0242401
                  0244021
                  0244201
                  0340431
                  0344031
                  0344301
                  0454051
                  0454501
                  0464061
                  0464601
                  0466401
                  0470471
                  0474071
                  0474701
                  0477401
                  0484081
                  0484801
                  0488401
                  0490491
                  0494091
                  0898091
                  0899081
                  0899801
                  1231231
                  1231321
                  1232311
                  1242411
                  1244121
                  1341431
                  1344131
                  1344311
                  1351531
                  1355311
                  1361361
                  1366131
                  1366311
                  1371371
                  1377131
                  1388131
                  1388311
                  1391391
                  1399311
                  1455411
                  1461461
                  1464161
                  1471471
                  1474711
                  1477411
                  1481481
                  1484811
                  1491491
                  1499411
                  1891891
                  1899181
                  1899811
                  2382381
                  2382831
                  2388321
                  2472471
                  2477421
                  2484281
                  2484821
                  2488421
                  2898291
                  2899281
                  2899821
                  3474371
                  3474731
                  3477431
                  3484831
                  3488431
                  3898391
                  3899381
                  3899831
                  4574751
                  4575471
                  4584581
                  4584851
                  4585481
                  4588451
                  4674671
                  4674761
                  4676471
                  4677461
                  4684861
                  4686481
                  4784781
                  4787481
                  4788471
                  4799471
                  4894891
                  4898491
                  4899481
                  5898591
                  5899851
                  6896891
                  6899681

                  WinD...

                  What I did to not elliminate any "doubles etc"  was I took all str8's that have not been called in the past year. (689 sets)

                  Now this covers singles, doubles, triples.

                  We missed the last 2 nights ( numbers that came out were repeated from ealier this year) but had 11 straights in a row prior to the last couple nights.  It may have been more but it was only 13 days ago I got into this str8 thing.

                  I use different methods of deduction, but the key one is keeping the repeating digits from the night befores draw.  So if the draw was 568 I would keep all sets with a 5-6 or 8 in them.

                  I use a bunch of other reduction factors but was wondering what else... maybe this digit in its repeating place would be a good idea... but having it hit the next night in its same position 11 times a month scares me off of using it.

                  Currently I can reduce the number of picks from 689 to 157 using last nights info, but it would be further reduced to 81 plays (Offshore = $20.25)  I guess if I hit even once every 10 days it would still break even...

                  I wil lsee how tonights numbers play out... thing is we had a double last night so that leaves only 2 possible digits to have repeated...lol

                  We are all Lucky... just some of us don't realize it!

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                    Posted: July 10, 2008, 8:54 pm - IP Logged

                    Hi Rakster...

                      Don't use doubles on this reduction system. If a double hits go back to the last single and use that one to find your next single win.

                      I look at it this way....

                           IF someone came to me and said.... "what should I play .... I only play one time a year and that time is almost here..... what has the best odds ?"   

                     

                        I would say....

                     1. Play single numbers ....not doubles or Trips. Singles hit 72% of the time or 3 out of 4 draws. So play only single numbers.  What ever that one day is ....that you finally choose .... the odds are with you.

                     

                        Next ...I would also say

                     2. When you do play your one time game number..... look at the last Single number that hit...... Don't play any of those digits in the same position for the next single draw. The odds are with you there as well. Two thirds of the time .... 66% of the time the odds are again in your favor. IF,,, you want a STRAIGHT that is.

                     

                        That's it in a nut-shell....  How many numbers he plays and how much money he puts on his once a year play is up to him.......... and any other filters are up to him too.

                     

                          The fact is .... no matter how many times he plays ......once a year or 365 times a year ...... those "basic odds" remain the same going in on every draw.  

                          If he did play every game .... every day for 365 days  at the end of the year he will have gotten approx ......263 Singles hits.... missed on the 98.5 days doubles hit ....and the 3 trips.

                       For approx .....263 days out of every year he has a chance.   Of those 263 days .... approx 2/3 rds. of them will not have a repeat digit land on top of the last single the same way.

                         So..... out of the 263 single days hits  ......... 173 of them were Winners Dance....or had the STRAIGHT that day.       

                     

                     

                    The only real failure .....is the failure to try.                               

                                                  Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much. 

                                                  Odds never change .....but probability does. 

                                                                                                           Win d    

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                      Hi Rakster...

                        Don't use doubles on this reduction system. If a double hits go back to the last single and use that one to find your next single win.

                        I look at it this way....

                             IF someone came to me and said.... "what should I play .... I only play one time a year and that time is almost here..... what has the best odds ?"   

                       

                          I would say....

                       1. Play single numbers ....not doubles or Trips. Singles hit 72% of the time or 3 out of 4 draws. So play only single numbers.  What ever that one day is ....that you finally choose .... the odds are with you.

                       

                          Next ...I would also say

                       2. When you do play your one time game number..... look at the last Single number that hit...... Don't play any of those digits in the same position for the next single draw. The odds are with you there as well. Two thirds of the time .... 66% of the time the odds are again in your favor. IF,,, you want a STRAIGHT that is.

                       

                          That's it in a nut-shell....  How many numbers he plays and how much money he puts on his once a year play is up to him.......... and any other filters are up to him too.

                       

                            The fact is .... no matter how many times he plays ......once a year or 365 times a year ...... those "basic odds" remain the same going in on every draw.  

                            If he did play every game .... every day for 365 days  at the end of the year he will have gotten approx ......263 Singles hits.... missed on the 98.5 days doubles hit ....and the 3 trips.

                         For approx .....263 days out of every year he has a chance.   Of those 263 days .... approx 2/3 rds. of them will not have a repeat digit land on top of the last single the same way.

                           So..... out of the 263 single days hits  ......... 173 of them were Winners Dance....or had the STRAIGHT that day.       

                      Well theres another one...

                      2-2-0 last night

                      1-2-0 tonight... 2 digits show up in the exact same spots.  I played 2 digit returns for the past week and talked myself out of it today saying i will use the 2 in 220 as a 2 digit return so we won't get one tonight... WRONG!!

                      1-2-0 was on the sheet too...damn!

                      We are all Lucky... just some of us don't realize it!

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                        Well theres another one...

                        2-2-0 last night

                        1-2-0 tonight... 2 digits show up in the exact same spots.  I played 2 digit returns for the past week and talked myself out of it today saying i will use the 2 in 220 as a 2 digit return so we won't get one tonight... WRONG!!

                        1-2-0 was on the sheet too...damn!

                        Heres another one tonight... 622.... damn thats 3 in a row...lol

                        2 in the middle and a double that I left off as I thought for sure the doubles were not to be coming.

                        Sure enough it was in our sheet too.... man this is starting to hurt!

                        We are all Lucky... just some of us don't realize it!

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                          Hi,

                          so what's the exact filtering here?

                          1) Start off with 720 straight 6 ways, we're calling that our "Range"

                          2) Take last draw that was a 6-way and eliminate numbers from the range with digits in the same position. Our range is now reduced to 534 straights (if the last draw was a double, go back one more until a  6-way is found)

                          3) Eliminate all numbers that don't have exactly 1 digit from the last draw. Our range: 252 straights (unless i miscalculated ofcourse)

                          4) ...?

                          I'll try to write a tool today or tomorrow that will test against any state of choice.
                          The average will show that one can not win this way, or at least, make a profit.
                          So we'll be lacking a variable filter, a filter we'll be using "on the fly". One that i can think of is "read" the history of a state and see if the 1-digits repeats have been slacking but are on their way back to meet their average.
                          Also the repeats per position must be taken into account. Have no idea how to interprete these flip between a 4 days-skip to a 23-days skip and back...

                          I for one think it can be a great filter, once again Win  D comes up with excellent idea's, to use to jump in there, if no hit, jump in again until a hit with profit.
                          But, i can not get that rid of that feeling, there is alot of "gut feeling" involved.

                          cheers
                          Ricky

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                            I have a spreadsheet that I made some time back but never used because it was too expensive.  It gives all the combos that have ONE and ONLY ONE digit from the previous draw.  That gives me 63 combos.  Of course these would be box plays or straight/box.

                            Just my 2 cents worth in this very interesting thread.

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                              Posted: July 12, 2008, 4:26 am - IP Logged

                              Hi,

                              so what's the exact filtering here?

                              1) Start off with 720 straight 6 ways, we're calling that our "Range"

                              2) Take last draw that was a 6-way and eliminate numbers from the range with digits in the same position. Our range is now reduced to 534 straights (if the last draw was a double, go back one more until a  6-way is found)

                              3) Eliminate all numbers that don't have exactly 1 digit from the last draw. Our range: 252 straights (unless i miscalculated ofcourse)

                              4) ...?

                              I'll try to write a tool today or tomorrow that will test against any state of choice.
                              The average will show that one can not win this way, or at least, make a profit.
                              So we'll be lacking a variable filter, a filter we'll be using "on the fly". One that i can think of is "read" the history of a state and see if the 1-digits repeats have been slacking but are on their way back to meet their average.
                              Also the repeats per position must be taken into account. Have no idea how to interprete these flip between a 4 days-skip to a 23-days skip and back...

                              I for one think it can be a great filter, once again Win  D comes up with excellent idea's, to use to jump in there, if no hit, jump in again until a hit with profit.
                              But, i can not get that rid of that feeling, there is alot of "gut feeling" involved.

                              cheers
                              Ricky

                              3) Eliminate all numbers that don't have exactly 1 digit from the last draw. Our range: 252 straights (unless i miscalculated ofcourse)

                              4) ...? 

                               

                              ========================

                               Up until  now 4.) ...? 

                                       Well...... Up until now..... anything past the 4th. filter etc has been ......" Where is Paurths?" LOL

                                     He's the only one that can help .   LOL  

                                    Actually ....up until now ....everyone has been using what ever they can ......within their own limited means. 

                                   

                                   It looks like we need a combination ..... 

                               A combination of your FREE Positional Wheel Tool   and  The Short Sums Chart with that date range window included as aditional filters. 

                               Up until now.....after we have taken the reduction as far as we can with the Free Wheel Tool...... we have been taking it a little further by using Todd's deflate tool .....which is great to organize the different forms of all the filtered number straights all together for an easy and fast scan. 

                               If we could filter according to everyone's Particular state Game using their own stats and game history ......that would be pretty great. 

                               

                               

                              The only real failure .....is the failure to try.                               

                                                            Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much. 

                                                            Odds never change .....but probability does. 

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