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Start off with only 527 numbers ...not 1000 each day.

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 Posted: July 10, 2008, 6:21 pm - IP Logged

..                     Start off each day with 527 numbers.....not a 1000 numbers.

If you use just the Single numbers each draw you can end up with only 527 numbers to look at.

Most of the time digits do not repeat on top of them-self !

For example ....  say the draw today was 123 in that order.

If we filter out all the numbers that contain digit 1 in first position.....2 in 2nd position and ......3 in the 3rd position then it leaves us with only 527 straight numbers to consider instead of 1000 or 720 if we don't use doubles.

See ....look below. IF we take out all the numbers that have those digit s ......in those 3 positions we cut almost half the chart.

012, 014, 015, 016, 017, 018, 019, 031, 032, 034, 035, 036, 037, 038, 039, 041, 042, 045, 046, 047, 048, 049, 051, 052, 054, 056, 057, 058, 059, 061, 062, 064, 065, 067, 068, 069, 071, 072, 074, 075, 076, 078, 079, 081, 082, 084, 085, 086, 087, 089, 091, 092, 094, 095, 096, 097, 098, 201, 204, 205, 206, 207, 208, 209, 210, 214, 215, 216, 217, 218, 219, 230, 231, 234, 235, 236, 237, 238, 239, 240, 241, 245, 246, 247, 248, 249, 250, 251, 254, 256, 257, 258, 259, 260, 261, 264, 265, 267, 268, 269, 270, 271, 274, 275, 276, 278, 279, 280, 281, 284, 285, 286, 287, 289, 290, 291, 294, 295, 296, 297, 298, 301, 302, 304, 305, 306, 307, 308, 309, 310, 312, 314, 315, 316, 317, 318, 319, 340, 341, 342, 345, 346, 347, 348, 349, 350, 351, 352, 354, 356, 357, 358, 359, 360, 361, 362, 364, 365, 367, 368, 369, 370, 371, 372, 374, 375, 376, 378, 379, 380, 381, 382, 384, 385, 386, 387, 389, 390, 391, 392, 394, 395, 396, 397, 398, 401, 402, 405, 406, 407, 408, 409, 410, 412, 415, 416, 417, 418, 419, 430, 431, 432, 435, 436, 437, 438, 439, 450, 451, 452, 456, 457, 458, 459, 460, 461, 462, 465, 467, 468, 469, 470, 471, 472, 475, 476, 478, 479, 480, 481, 482, 485, 486, 487, 489, 490, 491, 492, 495, 496, 497, 498, 501, 502, 504, 506, 507, 508, 509, 510, 512, 514, 516, 517, 518, 519, 530, 531, 532, 534, 536, 537, 538, 539, 540, 541, 542, 546, 547, 548, 549, 560, 561, 562, 564, 567, 568, 569, 570, 571, 572, 574, 576, 578, 579, 580, 581, 582, 584, 586, 587, 589, 590, 591, 592, 594, 596, 597, 598, 601, 602, 604, 605, 607, 608, 609, 610, 612, 614, 615, 617, 618, 619, 630, 631, 632, 634, 635, 637, 638, 639, 640, 641, 642, 645, 647, 648, 649, 650, 651, 652, 654, 657, 658, 659, 670, 671, 672, 674, 675, 678, 679, 680, 681, 682, 684, 685, 687, 689, 690, 691, 692, 694, 695, 697, 698, 701, 702, 704, 705, 706, 708, 709, 710, 712, 714, 715, 716, 718, 719, 730, 731, 732, 734, 735, 736, 738, 739, 740, 741, 742, 745, 746, 748, 749, 750, 751, 752, 754, 756, 758, 759, 760, 761, 762, 764, 765, 768, 769, 780, 781, 782, 784, 785, 786, 789, 790, 791, 792, 794, 795, 796, 798, 801, 802, 804, 805, 806, 807, 809, 810, 812, 814, 815, 816, 817, 819, 830, 831, 832, 834, 835, 836, 837, 839, 840, 841, 842, 845, 846, 847, 849, 850, 851, 852, 854, 856, 857, 859, 860, 861, 862, 864, 865, 867, 869, 870, 871, 872, 874, 875, 876, 879, 890, 891, 892, 894, 895, 896, 897, 901, 902, 904, 905, 906, 907, 908, 910, 912, 914, 915, 916, 917, 918, 930, 931, 932, 934, 935, 936, 937, 938, 940, 941, 942, 945, 946, 947, 948, 950, 951, 952, 954, 956, 957, 958, 960, 961, 962, 964, 965, 967, 968, 970, 971, 972, 974, 975, 976, 978, 980, 981, 982, 984, 985, 986, 987

So ........ remember these are Straights your starting with.

elimating the digit by position it could come in another position.

So your exact order prs using even-odd/high and low could flip that digit to another position.

you have the 123 as an examle.

The three could return in position one or two. the 123 having low odd /low even /low odd.

An exact pair by group could return the 3 with a 0 or 4 or 2 retuning your low even/ low odd exact pr set

So it could come 30x or 03x or 34x or 43x or 23x

Exact order prs by group do flip-flop to another position not necessarily in the exact same order of last drawn.

WHATT

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 Posted: July 10, 2008, 6:22 pm - IP Logged

Good Grief..... I haven't seen this many "Old Bears" coming down from their caves in a long long time !  LOLSinglesDoublesTriples

So good to see everyone ....makes me feel kinda misty and pine for the good old days.  Nice to have so many experienced eyes on this tricky deal here.

Say Jack...  I went back 60 days this time and pulled up the Singles .... and looking from just single to single numbers it still looked pretty good. I had to go back to the 548 there .... to find the first stinker. I did it by eye but..... i only counted 13 stinkers out of the total of  46 .....single to single matches.

Thats only a 28% miss rate.. out of the 46 total singles.   Counting singles to singles .... thats a 72% success rate on the draws singles actually hit. Thats about the most we can ever hope for ...... heck .... we only play singles .....and thats 33 good hits out of the total of 60 draws ....including doubles ...stinkers , everything and everybody.  Thats 55% over all good.

 Number Types: Singles 46 76.7% 826 085 106 453 916 837 548536 426 253 149 907 176 759 097 063 021 259 609 495 815 924 216 641 197 953 630 140 391 194 360 310 087 475 564 734 961 159 960 780 973 497 547 315 354 493  <<<------- Doubles 13 21.7% 877 441 050 711 400 443 551 636 455 117 116 225 811 Triples 1 1.7% 777

The only real failure .....is the failure to try.

Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much.

Odds never change .....but probability does.

Win d

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 Posted: July 10, 2008, 6:25 pm - IP Logged

Chaz,

This is a very good str8 system.

This is Fla's entire history stat for 1 draw repeats Pos 1. Look at the Max skip for entire history, 4 draws. Only play 3 days-in-a-row.

 ONE DRAW REPEATS MIN MAX AVG SKIP 90% 0 6674 0 4 1.11 0 10% 1 750 1 76 9.90 1

I worded this wrong,"Only play 3 days-in-a-row". After you see a repeat, play it won't happen again.

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 Posted: July 10, 2008, 6:52 pm - IP Logged

Todd,

Are you serious????  What a jerk!  Boy, things sure change when you're away for a while don't they!

Oh well ....... my advice to any "newbie" is to stick with the "good folks" and they'll guide you down the right path (i.e. Blackapple, others).  It's sad to hear that someone is being a jerk!

Good Luck All,

John

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 Posted: July 10, 2008, 7:07 pm - IP Logged

Looks like you are just skipping over the losers and feeling good about what is left.  Your pocket book wouldn't feel that good!

So, I haven't read all of your post, but you find fault with what I listed for the last 60 draws?

Would you please use MY list and show me where I went wrong.  I thought the only winners were the ones with 1 or more repeat, not in the same position as last draw, and no doubles.  Where am I going wrong?

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 Posted: July 10, 2008, 7:13 pm - IP Logged

@Win  D:

"Old Bears" coming down from their caves    Love the image, and agree with the sentiment!

Some of us are actually becoming Old Bears

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 Posted: July 10, 2008, 7:20 pm - IP Logged

Sorry Jack ..... gave it my best shot up there....with the averages and %'s etc.  Maybe it will look better when we plug in some more filters .....later on if possible.

Like so many systems that are put out there... they don't look as good playing every single day ....on automatic ....no matter what. Playing straight through .  It's still a lot of touch and feel with a hands on the wheel deal .... and brakes on some days......  for sure.  At least a little better than normal Hail Mary...maybe.

Plus.... I missed playing tonight     LOL

Yes, good times ....really good old days !

The only real failure .....is the failure to try.

Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much.

Odds never change .....but probability does.

Win d

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Sorry Jack ..... gave it my best shot up there....with the averages and %'s etc.  Maybe it will look better when we plug in some more filters .....later on if possible.

Like so many systems that are put out there... they don't look as good playing every single day ....on automatic ....no matter what. Playing straight through .  It's still a lot of touch and feel with a hands on the wheel deal .... and brakes on some days......  for sure.  At least a little better than normal Hail Mary...maybe.

Plus.... I missed playing tonight     LOL

Yes, good times ....really good old days !

Yes, if we only knew what draws to skip!  I show a 35% win rate in California Evening.  Don't get me wrong, I do like your theory a LOT, but doing it EXACTLY as you first posted, doesn't work very well in California.  On the other hand, maybe 35% is good enough.  I am not good with the math, so I don't know.

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Hey WinD,

I like you elimination method.

Reduce 1000 down to 527.

I'm experimenting this idea up here in PA evening.

The filters I will be using is the following:

1.  Reduce 1000 down to 527

2.  Reduce the 527 down to 97

a.  eliminate all sums that are less than 6 and greater than 23

b.  eliminate all combos that do NOT have a pair (no-match boxed) in all 3 positions (Front, Back, and Side) that have 29 skips or less.  So I'm using any Boxed Pair that has a skip of 30 or more.

 PAIRS PA3E 89 72 14 67 48 58 47 56 04 46 13 31 28 30

c.  eliminate any combo that has hit within the last 365 draws.

Here are the 97 Picks:

 BOX STR8 H 024 240 1 024 402 1 024 420 1 034 043 1 034 403 1 034 430 1 045 405 1 045 450 1 046 406 1 046 460 1 046 640 1 047 047 1 047 407 1 047 470 1 047 740 1 048 408 1 048 480 1 048 840 1 049 049 1 049 409 1 089 809 1 089 908 1 089 980 1 123 123 1 123 132 1 123 231 1 124 241 1 124 412 1 134 143 1 134 413 1 134 431 1 135 153 1 135 531 1 136 136 1 136 613 1 136 631 1 137 137 1 137 713 1 138 813 1 138 831 1 139 139 1 139 931 1 145 541 1 146 146 1 146 416 1 147 147 1 147 471 1 147 741 1 148 148 1 148 481 1 149 149 1 149 941 1 189 189 1 189 918 1 189 981 1 238 238 1 238 283 1 238 832 1 247 247 1 247 742 1 248 428 1 248 482 1 248 842 1 289 829 1 289 928 1 289 982 1 347 437 1 347 473 1 347 743 1 348 483 1 348 843 1 389 839 1 389 938 1 389 983 1 457 475 1 457 547 1 458 458 1 458 485 1 458 548 1 458 845 1 467 467 1 467 476 1 467 647 1 467 746 1 468 486 1 468 648 1 478 478 1 478 748 1 478 847 1 479 947 1 489 489 1 489 849 1 489 948 1 589 859 1 589 985 1 689 689 1 689 968 1

WinD...

What I did to not elliminate any "doubles etc"  was I took all str8's that have not been called in the past year. (689 sets)

Now this covers singles, doubles, triples.

We missed the last 2 nights ( numbers that came out were repeated from ealier this year) but had 11 straights in a row prior to the last couple nights.  It may have been more but it was only 13 days ago I got into this str8 thing.

I use different methods of deduction, but the key one is keeping the repeating digits from the night befores draw.  So if the draw was 568 I would keep all sets with a 5-6 or 8 in them.

I use a bunch of other reduction factors but was wondering what else... maybe this digit in its repeating place would be a good idea... but having it hit the next night in its same position 11 times a month scares me off of using it.

Currently I can reduce the number of picks from 689 to 157 using last nights info, but it would be further reduced to 81 plays (Offshore = \$20.25)  I guess if I hit even once every 10 days it would still break even...

I wil lsee how tonights numbers play out... thing is we had a double last night so that leaves only 2 possible digits to have repeated...lol

We are all Lucky... just some of us don't realize it!

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Hi Rakster...

Don't use doubles on this reduction system. If a double hits go back to the last single and use that one to find your next single win.

I look at it this way....

IF someone came to me and said.... "what should I play .... I only play one time a year and that time is almost here..... what has the best odds ?"

I would say....

1. Play single numbers ....not doubles or Trips. Singles hit 72% of the time or 3 out of 4 draws. So play only single numbers.  What ever that one day is ....that you finally choose .... the odds are with you.

Next ...I would also say

2. When you do play your one time game number..... look at the last Single number that hit...... Don't play any of those digits in the same position for the next single draw. The odds are with you there as well. Two thirds of the time .... 66% of the time the odds are again in your favor. IF,,, you want a STRAIGHT that is.

That's it in a nut-shell....  How many numbers he plays and how much money he puts on his once a year play is up to him.......... and any other filters are up to him too.

The fact is .... no matter how many times he plays ......once a year or 365 times a year ...... those "basic odds" remain the same going in on every draw.

If he did play every game .... every day for 365 days  at the end of the year he will have gotten approx ......263 Singles hits.... missed on the 98.5 days doubles hit ....and the 3 trips.

For approx .....263 days out of every year he has a chance.   Of those 263 days .... approx 2/3 rds. of them will not have a repeat digit land on top of the last single the same way.

So..... out of the 263 single days hits  ......... 173 of them were Winners ....or had the STRAIGHT that day.

The only real failure .....is the failure to try.

Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much.

Odds never change .....but probability does.

Win d

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Hi Rakster...

Don't use doubles on this reduction system. If a double hits go back to the last single and use that one to find your next single win.

I look at it this way....

IF someone came to me and said.... "what should I play .... I only play one time a year and that time is almost here..... what has the best odds ?"

I would say....

1. Play single numbers ....not doubles or Trips. Singles hit 72% of the time or 3 out of 4 draws. So play only single numbers.  What ever that one day is ....that you finally choose .... the odds are with you.

Next ...I would also say

2. When you do play your one time game number..... look at the last Single number that hit...... Don't play any of those digits in the same position for the next single draw. The odds are with you there as well. Two thirds of the time .... 66% of the time the odds are again in your favor. IF,,, you want a STRAIGHT that is.

That's it in a nut-shell....  How many numbers he plays and how much money he puts on his once a year play is up to him.......... and any other filters are up to him too.

The fact is .... no matter how many times he plays ......once a year or 365 times a year ...... those "basic odds" remain the same going in on every draw.

If he did play every game .... every day for 365 days  at the end of the year he will have gotten approx ......263 Singles hits.... missed on the 98.5 days doubles hit ....and the 3 trips.

For approx .....263 days out of every year he has a chance.   Of those 263 days .... approx 2/3 rds. of them will not have a repeat digit land on top of the last single the same way.

So..... out of the 263 single days hits  ......... 173 of them were Winners ....or had the STRAIGHT that day.

Well theres another one...

2-2-0 last night

1-2-0 tonight... 2 digits show up in the exact same spots.  I played 2 digit returns for the past week and talked myself out of it today saying i will use the 2 in 220 as a 2 digit return so we won't get one tonight... WRONG!!

1-2-0 was on the sheet too...damn!

We are all Lucky... just some of us don't realize it!

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Well theres another one...

2-2-0 last night

1-2-0 tonight... 2 digits show up in the exact same spots.  I played 2 digit returns for the past week and talked myself out of it today saying i will use the 2 in 220 as a 2 digit return so we won't get one tonight... WRONG!!

1-2-0 was on the sheet too...damn!

Heres another one tonight... 622.... damn thats 3 in a row...lol

2 in the middle and a double that I left off as I thought for sure the doubles were not to be coming.

Sure enough it was in our sheet too.... man this is starting to hurt!

We are all Lucky... just some of us don't realize it!

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Hi,

so what's the exact filtering here?

1) Start off with 720 straight 6 ways, we're calling that our "Range"

2) Take last draw that was a 6-way and eliminate numbers from the range with digits in the same position. Our range is now reduced to 534 straights (if the last draw was a double, go back one more until a  6-way is found)

3) Eliminate all numbers that don't have exactly 1 digit from the last draw. Our range: 252 straights (unless i miscalculated ofcourse)

4) ...?

I'll try to write a tool today or tomorrow that will test against any state of choice.
The average will show that one can not win this way, or at least, make a profit.
So we'll be lacking a variable filter, a filter we'll be using "on the fly". One that i can think of is "read" the history of a state and see if the 1-digits repeats have been slacking but are on their way back to meet their average.
Also the repeats per position must be taken into account. Have no idea how to interprete these flip between a 4 days-skip to a 23-days skip and back...

I for one think it can be a great filter, once again Win  D comes up with excellent idea's, to use to jump in there, if no hit, jump in again until a hit with profit.
But, i can not get that rid of that feeling, there is alot of "gut feeling" involved.

cheers
Ricky

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I have a spreadsheet that I made some time back but never used because it was too expensive.  It gives all the combos that have ONE and ONLY ONE digit from the previous draw.  That gives me 63 combos.  Of course these would be box plays or straight/box.

Just my 2 cents worth in this very interesting thread.

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Hi,

so what's the exact filtering here?

1) Start off with 720 straight 6 ways, we're calling that our "Range"

2) Take last draw that was a 6-way and eliminate numbers from the range with digits in the same position. Our range is now reduced to 534 straights (if the last draw was a double, go back one more until a  6-way is found)

3) Eliminate all numbers that don't have exactly 1 digit from the last draw. Our range: 252 straights (unless i miscalculated ofcourse)

4) ...?

I'll try to write a tool today or tomorrow that will test against any state of choice.
The average will show that one can not win this way, or at least, make a profit.
So we'll be lacking a variable filter, a filter we'll be using "on the fly". One that i can think of is "read" the history of a state and see if the 1-digits repeats have been slacking but are on their way back to meet their average.
Also the repeats per position must be taken into account. Have no idea how to interprete these flip between a 4 days-skip to a 23-days skip and back...

I for one think it can be a great filter, once again Win  D comes up with excellent idea's, to use to jump in there, if no hit, jump in again until a hit with profit.
But, i can not get that rid of that feeling, there is alot of "gut feeling" involved.

cheers
Ricky

3) Eliminate all numbers that don't have exactly 1 digit from the last draw. Our range: 252 straights (unless i miscalculated ofcourse)

4) ...?

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Up until  now 4.) ...?

Well...... Up until now..... anything past the 4th. filter etc has been ......" Where is Paurths?" LOL

He's the only one that can help .   LOL

Actually ....up until now ....everyone has been using what ever they can ......within their own limited means.

It looks like we need a combination .....

A combination of your FREE Positional Wheel Tool   and  The Short Sums Chart with that date range window included as aditional filters.

Up until now.....after we have taken the reduction as far as we can with the Free Wheel Tool...... we have been taking it a little further by using Todd's deflate tool .....which is great to organize the different forms of all the filtered number straights all together for an easy and fast scan.

If we could filter according to everyone's Particular state Game using their own stats and game history ......that would be pretty great.

The only real failure .....is the failure to try.

Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much.

Odds never change .....but probability does.

Win d

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