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WIN  D's avatar - q05Q0
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   The pairs at the top of the page on the tool ??  Pairs wasn't my focus.... I didn't use those windows up there at all. I confess they confused me so I just went right to the subtraction windows.  Pairs ...and other things ....other little filters .....is something I would rather worry about down the road .

  For what I thought was needed here was some sort of ..... Straight Postional Flex Flitering..... married to a REAL world State draw history somehow.

  ThePostional Wheel is great but its a static tool..... the short sums chart tool is wonderful .....but you can't use it with Postional filtering for straights.             

 

 

  The rest of the tool is great (as far as this post's subject goes) ...... it was  supposed to be able to Subtract a Static group of STRAIGHTS .....from a state's real world past results.

  A magic subtraction window .......subtract Static postional Straights from actual past draws from a particular state.   

       

            In a nutt shell.... the ideal tool that I had in mind was the "Short Sums tool" .....with the ""Free Positional wheel "   on top.   

 

      That way... we could do all we wanted to do with POSTIONAL filtering first.....using our own states last draw (using the state's history filter) for the next draw...... 

 

      If the short sums chart .....and the postional wheel were connected ....... then we could carry all of the positional filtering we did first over to compare that to the STATE's actual past draws.  

 

 

The only real failure .....is the failure to try.                               

                              Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much. 

                              Odds never change .....but probability does. 

                                                                                       Win d    

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       The pairs at the top of the page on the tool ??  Pairs wasn't my focus.... I didn't use those windows up there at all. I confess they confused me so I just went right to the subtraction windows.  Pairs ...and other things ....other little filters .....is something I would rather worry about down the road .

      For what I thought was needed here was some sort of ..... Straight Postional Flex Flitering..... married to a REAL world State draw history somehow.

      ThePostional Wheel is great but its a static tool..... the short sums chart tool is wonderful .....but you can't use it with Postional filtering for straights.             

     

     

      The rest of the tool is great (as far as this post's subject goes) ...... it was  supposed to be able to Subtract a Static group of STRAIGHTS .....from a state's real world past results.

      A magic subtraction window .......subtract Static postional Straights from actual past draws from a particular state.   

           

                In a nutt shell.... the ideal tool that I had in mind was the "Short Sums tool" .....with the ""Free Positional wheel "   on top.   

     

          That way... we could do all we wanted to do with POSTIONAL filtering first.....using our own states last draw (using the state's history filter) for the next draw...... 

     

          If the short sums chart .....and the postional wheel were connected ....... then we could carry all of the positional filtering we did first over to compare that to the STATE's actual past draws.  

    Just noticed this new tool WC number not out yet so heres the predictions i it came up with.

    047 073 170 297 579 704 740 749 769 792 794 937 975

    i took out all numbers without a 7

    Secret to $uccess=Law of Attraction

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      Posted: July 21, 2008, 9:26 am - IP Logged

      Just noticed this new tool WC number not out yet so heres the predictions i it came up with.

      047 073 170 297 579 704 740 749 769 792 794 937 975

      i took out all numbers without a 7

      Thanks AG ....nice to have you looking at this as well. 

       Perhaps the order of events  ..or filter steps I was talking about up there are not in the right order.

       Maybe we could start by using the Short Sums chart and a particular states draw history.....first.  Then ...then we could use the POSITIONAL wheel filter on those results afterwords.

        So .....first choose the State and it's history window ....or time span we were interested in and get that group of straights first. Then,,,, plug in positionalfilters we have been talking about from there.

        We could pull up Ga Eve for example using the last 3 years draw history..... 

       1. Using the Short Sums tool first...... Subtract or filter out all of those past straights ......leaving us with just the unhit straights (in that time frame entered ) to consider.   

       2.  Next ..... still using the current Short Sums filters we could filter out things like high/low ...odd/even etc.

       3. Then.... the new Positional wheel filter could be used at this point with the remaining Straights. Now we could filter out all our own state's last draw number......by POSITION . Now it would actually be STATE specific !   If our state's last draw was 567 ...... we could filter out all numbers from this point that had those digits in those last postions......

           3A.  Then we could add back in all numbers that only had a 5,,6,,or 7 in the number ....since most times a digit returns ....just not in same position. 

       

           So..... the short sums chart ......with positional digit wheeling filters at the end. Using actual state's draw history .......to  Trap those STRAIGHTS !   

       

         It would be nice to have all those cool filters that the Postional wheel tool has .....added to the Short sums chart no matter what.  Particularly the long and ....short sums fiters. Especially the short sum filter ...since its a short sums tool after all. 

       

       

      The only real failure .....is the failure to try.                               

                                    Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much. 

                                    Odds never change .....but probability does. 

                                                                                             Win d    

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        Thanks AG ....nice to have you looking at this as well. 

         Perhaps the order of events  ..or filter steps I was talking about up there are not in the right order.

         Maybe we could start by using the Short Sums chart and a particular states draw history.....first.  Then ...then we could use the POSITIONAL wheel filter on those results afterwords.

          So .....first choose the State and it's history window ....or time span we were interested in and get that group of straights first. Then,,,, plug in positionalfilters we have been talking about from there.

          We could pull up Ga Eve for example using the last 3 years draw history..... 

         1. Using the Short Sums tool first...... Subtract or filter out all of those past straights ......leaving us with just the unhit straights (in that time frame entered ) to consider.   

         2.  Next ..... still using the current Short Sums filters we could filter out things like high/low ...odd/even etc.

         3. Then.... the new Positional wheel filter could be used at this point with the remaining Straights. Now we could filter out all our own state's last draw number......by POSITION . Now it would actually be STATE specific !   If our state's last draw was 567 ...... we could filter out all numbers from this point that had those digits in those last postions......

             3A.  Then we could add back in all numbers that only had a 5,,6,,or 7 in the number ....since most times a digit returns ....just not in same position. 

         

             So..... the short sums chart ......with positional digit wheeling filters at the end. Using actual state's draw history .......to  Trap those STRAIGHTS !   

         

           It would be nice to have all those cool filters that the Postional wheel tool has .....added to the Short sums chart no matter what.  Particularly the long and ....short sums fiters. Especially the short sum filter ...since its a short sums tool after all. 

        Off work for 6 days now so will be able to do some back testing!

        Secret to $uccess=Law of Attraction

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          Hi,

          I created a little tool

          Unpostional return

          You either enter 7 'last draws' (left to right = new to older) and click "Create 7Days numbers",

          or you paste a set of numbers into the yellow box.

          Enter the last draw (or any 6-way you want to use)
          - only numbers with at least one of the digits of this 6-ways will be in the final result

          - Pairs to eliminate: enter any amount of pairs you wish to see eliminated from the range of numbers (example: 24 --> all numbers with the following format will be eliminated: 24X, 2X4, X24, 42X, 4X2, X42)

          - Straights to eliminate: enter any amount of numbers that need to be eliminated from the range of numbers

          Click Create output to set the filters in motion and spit out the result.

          cheers
          Ricky

          Hey Ricky,

          In the box labeled "pairs To Eliminate".

          Is there a maximum number of Pairs you can copy into this box?

          Thanks!!!!

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               The pairs at the top of the page on the tool ??  Pairs wasn't my focus.... I didn't use those windows up there at all. I confess they confused me so I just went right to the subtraction windows.  Pairs ...and other things ....other little filters .....is something I would rather worry about down the road .

              For what I thought was needed here was some sort of ..... Straight Postional Flex Flitering..... married to a REAL world State draw history somehow.

              ThePostional Wheel is great but its a static tool..... the short sums chart tool is wonderful .....but you can't use it with Postional filtering for straights.             

             

             

              The rest of the tool is great (as far as this post's subject goes) ...... it was  supposed to be able to Subtract a Static group of STRAIGHTS .....from a state's real world past results.

              A magic subtraction window .......subtract Static postional Straights from actual past draws from a particular state.   

                   

                        In a nutt shell.... the ideal tool that I had in mind was the "Short Sums tool" .....with the ""Free Positional wheel "   on top.   

             

                  That way... we could do all we wanted to do with POSTIONAL filtering first.....using our own states last draw (using the state's history filter) for the next draw...... 

             

                  If the short sums chart .....and the postional wheel were connected ....... then we could carry all of the positional filtering we did first over to compare that to the STATE's actual past draws.  

            I wa doing this all by hand until WinD and Paurths started this thread, thats when I contacted Ricky to create this thing... I love this tool!!

            We are all Lucky... just some of us don't realize it!

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                 The pairs at the top of the page on the tool ??  Pairs wasn't my focus.... I didn't use those windows up there at all. I confess they confused me so I just went right to the subtraction windows.  Pairs ...and other things ....other little filters .....is something I would rather worry about down the road .

                For what I thought was needed here was some sort of ..... Straight Postional Flex Flitering..... married to a REAL world State draw history somehow.

                ThePostional Wheel is great but its a static tool..... the short sums chart tool is wonderful .....but you can't use it with Postional filtering for straights.             

               

               

                The rest of the tool is great (as far as this post's subject goes) ...... it was  supposed to be able to Subtract a Static group of STRAIGHTS .....from a state's real world past results.

                A magic subtraction window .......subtract Static postional Straights from actual past draws from a particular state.   

                     

                          In a nutt shell.... the ideal tool that I had in mind was the "Short Sums tool" .....with the ""Free Positional wheel "   on top.   

               

                    That way... we could do all we wanted to do with POSTIONAL filtering first.....using our own states last draw (using the state's history filter) for the next draw...... 

               

                    If the short sums chart .....and the postional wheel were connected ....... then we could carry all of the positional filtering we did first over to compare that to the STATE's actual past draws.  

              WinD...

               

              I never put in a request for a static/positional number area b/c in WC we have too many times each month that the number does actually repeat in that position.

              Look at these from recent draws in WC...

              In 10 days it hit the same position 8 times... to me that creates lossses and wasn't seen as a filter to use.

               

               

              18 Jul 2008209
              17 Jul 2008285
              16 Jul 2008986
              15 Jul 2008438
              14 Jul 2008141
              13 Jul 2008435
              12 Jul 2008440
              11 Jul 2008622
              10 Jul 2008120
              9 Jul 2008220

              We are all Lucky... just some of us don't realize it!

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                WinD...

                 

                I never put in a request for a static/positional number area b/c in WC we have too many times each month that the number does actually repeat in that position.

                Look at these from recent draws in WC...

                In 10 days it hit the same position 8 times... to me that creates lossses and wasn't seen as a filter to use.

                 

                 

                18 Jul 2008209
                17 Jul 2008285
                16 Jul 2008986
                15 Jul 2008438
                14 Jul 2008141
                13 Jul 2008435
                12 Jul 2008440
                11 Jul 2008622
                10 Jul 2008120
                9 Jul 2008220

                I just use all Str8's that have not been hit in over a year... this gives me about 688 intital str8's.....

                I reduce it by plugging i nthe last number called 1-9-1

                This reduces it to 283 str8's so a repeating digit is a must to win.

                Since we had 3 doubles in a row, I filter out all doubles... this brings us down to 232 possible str8's.

                013 016 017 018 029 031 041 049 051 059 061 069 071 079 092 094 095 096 097 098 105 106 108 125 126 127 130 132 136 137 138 143 145 147 148 152 153 154 157 160 162 163 164 165 167 168 170 172 173 174 175 180 182 184 185 186 187 201 210 215 216 218 231 239 241 249 251 259 261 269 271 279 281 289 293 294 296 297 301 310 314 315 317 318 321 341 349 351 359 361 379 381 389 390 392 395 396 398 401 410 412 413 416 417 418 421 431 439 451 461 469 489 493 496 497 498 510 512 513 516 517 529 531 539 541 571 579 581 589 592 593 594 596 597 598 601 612 614 615 617 618 621 641 649 651 659 671 679 689 692 694 695 697 698 710 712 713 714 715 718 729 731 739 751 759 761 769 781 790 796 798 801 809 813 814 816 817 821 829 831 841 849 851 859 861 869 890 892 893 894 895 896 902 903 904 905 906 907 908 923 924 925 927 928 930 932 934 937 938 943 945 946 950 952 953 954 958 960 962 963 965 967 968 972 973 974 976 978 980 982 985 987

                Now I am not sure what to do next to reduce these further... any  ideas?

                Cost is $58 str8

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                  Hi,

                  so what's the exact filtering here?

                  1) Start off with 720 straight 6 ways, we're calling that our "Range"

                  2) Take last draw that was a 6-way and eliminate numbers from the range with digits in the same position. Our range is now reduced to 534 straights (if the last draw was a double, go back one more until a  6-way is found)

                  3) Eliminate all numbers that don't have exactly 1 digit from the last draw. Our range: 252 straights (unless i miscalculated ofcourse)

                  4) ...?

                  I'll try to write a tool today or tomorrow that will test against any state of choice.
                  The average will show that one can not win this way, or at least, make a profit.
                  So we'll be lacking a variable filter, a filter we'll be using "on the fly". One that i can think of is "read" the history of a state and see if the 1-digits repeats have been slacking but are on their way back to meet their average.
                  Also the repeats per position must be taken into account. Have no idea how to interprete these flip between a 4 days-skip to a 23-days skip and back...

                  I for one think it can be a great filter, once again Win  D comes up with excellent idea's, to use to jump in there, if no hit, jump in again until a hit with profit.
                  But, i can not get that rid of that feeling, there is alot of "gut feeling" involved.

                  cheers
                  Ricky

                  Hi,

                  so what's the exact filtering here?

                  1) Start off with 720 straight 6 ways, we're calling that our "Range"

                  2) Take last draw that was a 6-way and eliminate numbers from the range with digits in the same position. Our range is now reduced to 534 straights (if the last draw was a double, go back one more until a  6-way is found)

                  3) Eliminate all numbers that don't have exactly 1 digit from the last draw. Our range: 252 straights (unless i miscalculated ofcourse)

                  4) ...?

                  I'll try to write a tool today or tomorrow that will test against any state of choice.
                  The average will show that one can not win this way, or at least, make a profit.
                  So we'll be lacking a variable filter, a filter we'll be using "on the fly". One that i can think of is "read" the history of a state and see if the 1-digits repeats have been slacking but are on their way back to meet their average.
                  Also the repeats per position must be taken into account. Have no idea how to interprete these flip between a 4 days-skip to a 23-days skip and back...

                  I for one think it can be a great filter, once again Win  D comes up with excellent idea's, to use to jump in there, if no hit, jump in again until a hit with profit.
                  But, i can not get that rid of that feeling, there is alot of "gut feeling" involved.

                  cheers

                   Nevermind ..... I thought it was an attempt at this tool he was talking about in his post up there. Maybe you could use your influence with him to give this particular tool idea a shot as well. In this post here...." we "were asking about  this kind of tool...but....... without the pairs deal....  and leaving the static filter in.

                  * Cause most times ....math wise .... digits don't repeat on top of themself .....most of the time.   

                  Maybe ask for some of the great filters on that Postional wheeler tool .....to be put on the Short sums tool.  ....and a short sums window added there perhaps. Since it is a short sums tool ...after all.  LOL



                   

                   

                   

                  The only real failure .....is the failure to try.                               

                                                Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much. 

                                                Odds never change .....but probability does. 

                                                                                                         Win d    

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                    .......also in this particular thread we were NOT using doubles in our repeats.  We didn't think that was a good idea because it doesn't work. Using Single to Single ..... gives us better odds.. on average per the results.  

                      For example : using the same time frame as WC up there we can see that it's not good to use doubles as the last draw. We use the last SINGLE number drawn ......as the last draw...regardless of how many doubles hit.

                                     

                    Mon, Jul 21, 20081-9-1
                    Sun, Jul 20, 20087-7-3
                    Sat, Jul 19, 20084-4-3
                    Fri, Jul 18, 20082-0-9no good
                    Thu, Jul 17, 20082-8-5no good
                    Wed, Jul 16, 20089-8-6good
                    Tue, Jul 15, 20084-3-8no good
                    Mon, Jul 14, 20081-4-1
                    Sun, Jul 13, 20084-3-5good
                    Sat, Jul 12, 20084-4-0
                    Fri, Jul 11, 20086-2-2
                    Thu, Jul 10, 20081-2-0good
                    Wed, Jul 9, 20082-2-0
                    Tue, Jul 8, 20083-6-2

                     

                        This way a player has the best of both...... we don't use them in the next draw calculations ...but .....you can use them in the results you get for the next if you want.... that way its an option.

                        The 209 (single) will be the last single to reference the next draw for WC.....hit july 18..... 

                      We will filter all numbers out that have a digit 2,,0,,or 9 in positions 1,,2,,or 3.  When the single straight choices pop out..... along with the double play choices.... we can decide to play both or .....just the singles.

                     Me.... I won't be playing any doubles for next draw up there. I will filter those out of the plays for sure. 

                     

                     

                    The only real failure .....is the failure to try.                               

                                                  Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much. 

                                                  Odds never change .....but probability does. 

                                                                                                           Win d    

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                      Did a quick scan of WC draws for this time last year..... going form Single to Single draw form July 21 until Aug 23rd last year 2007.

                       Of the 23 Single number hits during that time..... ALL 23 were good hits with  750 july15th... and 534,583,501,  as the only exceptions.  

                       That was a 83% success rate for that time ...... during this same period last year. Single to Single 

                       

                       

                      The only real failure .....is the failure to try.                               

                                                    Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much. 

                                                    Odds never change .....but probability does. 

                                                                                                             Win d    

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                        Hi,

                        the things you ask for, Chaz, are all different tools be implemented together:
                        - shortsumtool for straights
                        - wheeling engine
                        - this tool with new features

                        Things like that are not created in a single day, especially since my days, and i mean time i have free of work and i am not a sleep, currently have less than 2 hours in them.

                        cheers
                        Ricky

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                        An onion a day keeps everyone away!!!

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                          Hi,

                          the things you ask for, Chaz, are all different tools be implemented together:
                          - shortsumtool for straights
                          - wheeling engine
                          - this tool with new features

                          Things like that are not created in a single day, especially since my days, and i mean time i have free of work and i am not a sleep, currently have less than 2 hours in them.

                          cheers
                          Ricky

                            Like I said before ... "nevermind"  I thought since the new tool was posted in this thread ....it was in response to this thread. LOL

                             We can still use that new tool as a simple subtraction device for the straight results numbers we get from the positional wheel.....  Then use the short sums straight results to subtract from there .....  using a time frame for any specific state.

                             It gets a little confusing and awkward at times .... and it takes some doing .....but its worth it.  I'm just very glad to have something. Now that the idea is out there .... maybe we can adapt it some other way. ...or someone reading this and seeing the results will make it.  

                            One day .... it would be a really KILLER tool ...... putting it all together like that.  A Straights KILLER !  Emmm ......makes me feel good just thinking about.  A straight capture tool .... a postional wheel with all the great filters and teamed together with the short sums tool ......   a dream come true. 

                           

                           

                          The only real failure .....is the failure to try.                               

                                                        Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much. 

                                                        Odds never change .....but probability does. 

                                                                                                                 Win d    

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                            Did a quick scan of WC draws for this time last year..... going form Single to Single draw form July 21 until Aug 23rd last year 2007.

                             Of the 23 Single number hits during that time..... ALL 23 were good hits with  750 july15th... and 534,583,501,  as the only exceptions.  

                             That was a 83% success rate for that time ...... during this same period last year. Single to Single 

                            The reason I actually asked Ricky to design this tool for me was so that it could help me cut the work load from reducing the 7 day system Tntea uses for straights.  What  i found worked best so far was using the first week of numbers from the previous month. So May 1 to May 7 and run them thru the 7 day system creating a list of approx. 250 sets.  Thes 250 sets are the initial starting point each day for the entire month of June.  Then reduce them by keeping last digits in number called the night before.  From there I used a variety of reduction processes that would allow me to play a manageable number of sets at 25 cents a piece.

                            I found that I was averaging about 5 hits a month this way... straight.

                            Avg cost was between $20 and $25 a day.

                            $25 x 30 days = $750 cost

                            $225 x 5 hits avg. = $1125

                            Profit of apprx. $375.00 a month.

                            Now the 5 hits were an avg.  Had as few as 4 hits so still managed to squeeze out a little profit, but had as many as 11 straights in Jan. ---> $2450.00 - $750 = a good month!

                            I know it worked this way for WC, other states, well that is something one has to check out and backcheck to see what works.

                            I have had only 2 hits this month so either she is going to hit hard the last week of July or it'll be the first month without a profit.

                            Its a great tool.. and i am very thankful Ricky was kind enough to help me in bringing it to life.

                            We are all Lucky... just some of us don't realize it!

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                              Sounds good Rakster..... you should really start a new thread that goes into that method. It's sounds interesting enough.....  I'm sure alot of folks would add to it as well.  

                               If we can just smooth out this method here .....with a little more focus ... maybe we can afford to play the big money systems like that one.  LOL   

                               

                               

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