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I can get closer to a win doing just all ODD/Evens

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WIN  D's avatar - q05Q0
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Posted: July 31, 2008, 11:01 am - IP Logged

   It looks to me as if playing at all mixed combinations .....you really never know how close you were to a win ....unless you hit one or two numbers.  Other than a hit ......how close were you on your other tickets ?? There is no way to Gage the level of how close they were.

   Let's just say you played 20 tickets and hit on 3 of them ..... 1 number hit on one .... 1 on the 2nd.... and 2 on the 3rd.   and the other 17 tickets you hit nothing. 

  How close did you get on the tickets that did not score at least one number hit?  No way to know how close they were. No way to know what your progress is ...or how much you have improved your playing technique.

 

     How about this .....just for an example. 

       Odds going in each draw are about 500,000 to one right ?  If you don't hit any numbers you can never say you were any closer to a win than that ......at least as long as you play MIXED numbers.

 

     But...... a person that only plays ALL ODD or ALL EVEN combinations only can know how really close he got to a win several times a year.  On average about once a month he will know how close he was .....at the very least.   

    On those days.... on the days that come about one time a month his odds that day were better than anyone else's because he played All ODD/EVEN numbers only.

       His odds were not 500,000 to 1 ......like everyone else.... His odds those days are only 27,000 to 1  !

 

 

     At least at the end of the year .....he will know that he got as close as 27,000 to 1 odds ....12-14 times that year.  At least he got that close for a fact.

 

   Would you rather be a Raffle with all the people attending 10 Super bowls (500,000 thousand)  ..... or a High School Playoff game raffle  ( 27,000) ?  Hmmmmm   and get paid exactly the same large payout.   

 

       At least once a month his odds drop down some 95 %  and he has an actual real shot at a win...with the same exact payout. 

 

      At least he knows for sure how very close he got to a win .....and at least it would happen several times a year.  Seems like the smart play to me.  At least the more satisfying.  Plus ....no one says we can't toss a couple the other way at the same time right? 

 

 

The only real failure .....is the failure to try.                               

                              Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much. 

                              Odds never change .....but probability does. 

                                                                                       Win d    

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    Posted: July 31, 2008, 11:45 am - IP Logged

    Chaz,

      You continue to show why you are oone of the best, if not the best, when it comes to stats. Now, you are on a Pick-5 mission. LOL

       In Fla the Even is 9 times per year, Odds are 10-11 times per year.

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       Thanks CarBob ....you give me too much credit really. I really do think that its better to go after the best odds and know on those particular days anyway .......you were really really close.  At least compared to all the ones that didn't have a snowballs that day.

       Yeap... 95% better odds is hard to beat.  That's my best shot at a working filter system anyway ...... as an outsider. 

       At least until I can study and know some other things about the pick 5 game.....and i may never get around to it because we both know how long and hard a road that can be. 

       I may just play these .....and stick to this System.  Heck .... it sure doesn't take much study or time this way does it?  LOL

       

          ........but if you already have it ..... and its NO trouble for u Bob.... I am curious to see a list of all the All odds and all evens in order of draw that you might have. Just those odd even draws only.  Is that hard to do...?  If it is ...don't even worry with it please .... thanks.   

       

       FYI ...looks like FLA is doing around average on those Odd/evens combined ... if you are  counting only the eve draws .  Normal expected average should be around 19 or 20 a year.... or so a year.... 

       

       

         Say Bob .....you will like this......   Following the same line of logic if we only ever played the ALL EVEN combos each and every time we played ......we could lower our odds even more. We could almost cut them in half again.....  !  If we only played the All even combo's only ......on the days that that happened during the year ...... we would be playing in an odds pool....of only 11,000 people !!   

         Ofcourse ..... that would only come around about one time a month ...... but still only 11,000 people .... LOTTERY POST is bigger than that. .....and its still the same payout. Maybe even more since most folks play mixed numbers.     LOL   

       Sure beats ...... 5oo,ooo  people pool worth of odds doesn't it ?   

       

       

      The only real failure .....is the failure to try.                               

                                    Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much. 

                                    Odds never change .....but probability does. 

                                                                                             Win d    

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        Posted: July 31, 2008, 3:14 pm - IP Logged

         I'm sorry .....this is too much fun.

          If you could find 11 people and each of you all put 100 bucks in your pool...... and ......and you were lucky and picked the right day that month ..... they would draw the ALL EVEN numbers that particular day.

         

          Your group or club of 11 fellas would have ......  a 1 in 10 chance to win the PICK -5 game that day !  

         

                           As the Fat Lady would say....... 

                                                           " NOW ....... those them are good ODDs" !      LOL

         

         

        The only real failure .....is the failure to try.                               

                                      Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much. 

                                      Odds never change .....but probability does. 

                                                                                               Win d    

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          Posted: July 31, 2008, 3:23 pm - IP Logged

          If you're using a system that clearly defines the parameters of the numbers in your number pool and the number of combinations you play then you can figure out how likely the winning numbers would have been in the pool and if they had a chance of matching two or better in any of the combinations you played.

          Even if you had all the winning numbers in your pool you would have to be lucky to have two or more of the winning numbers on the same line if you just played a few lines.

           * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
             
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            WIN  D's avatar - q05Q0
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                  Still.......  are there only 11,628 possible combinations total......in the pick 5 game 1-39  or not ? 

                   Because at this point and knowledge level....thats what I needed.  In my limited experience and no software....lower odds plays is all I have right now anyway.

              RJOH.... are their similar odds reduction methods in the larger games that approach anywhere near the percentage reductions achieved here?  Thanks     

             

             

            The only real failure .....is the failure to try.                               

                                          Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much. 

                                          Odds never change .....but probability does. 

                                                                                                   Win d    

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              Posted: July 31, 2008, 4:02 pm - IP Logged

               Thanks CarBob ....you give me too much credit really. I really do think that its better to go after the best odds and know on those particular days anyway .......you were really really close.  At least compared to all the ones that didn't have a snowballs that day.

               Yeap... 95% better odds is hard to beat.  That's my best shot at a working filter system anyway ...... as an outsider. 

               At least until I can study and know some other things about the pick 5 game.....and i may never get around to it because we both know how long and hard a road that can be. 

               I may just play these .....and stick to this System.  Heck .... it sure doesn't take much study or time this way does it?  LOL

               

                  ........but if you already have it ..... and its NO trouble for u Bob.... I am curious to see a list of all the All odds and all evens in order of draw that you might have. Just those odd even draws only.  Is that hard to do...?  If it is ...don't even worry with it please .... thanks.   

               

               FYI ...looks like FLA is doing around average on those Odd/evens combined ... if you are  counting only the eve draws .  Normal expected average should be around 19 or 20 a year.... or so a year.... 

               

               

                 Say Bob .....you will like this......   Following the same line of logic if we only ever played the ALL EVEN combos each and every time we played ......we could lower our odds even more. We could almost cut them in half again.....  !  If we only played the All even combo's only ......on the days that that happened during the year ...... we would be playing in an odds pool....of only 11,000 people !!   

                 Ofcourse ..... that would only come around about one time a month ...... but still only 11,000 people .... LOTTERY POST is bigger than that. .....and its still the same payout. Maybe even more since most folks play mixed numbers.     LOL   

               Sure beats ...... 5oo,ooo  people pool worth of odds doesn't it ?   

              Even

               

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                Posted: July 31, 2008, 4:25 pm - IP Logged

                      Still.......  are there only 11,628 possible combinations total......in the pick 5 game 1-39  or not ? 

                       Because at this point and knowledge level....thats what I needed.  In my limited experience and no software....lower odds plays is all I have right now anyway.

                  RJOH.... are their similar odds reduction methods in the larger games that approach anywhere near the percentage reductions achieved here?  Thanks     

                The odds of a 5/39 game are 1:575,757 unless you have all the winning numbers in a pool of 19 numbers(1:11,628).

                When I look at the last 1254 drawings of Ohio Rolling Cash5, there were only 20 drawings with all even numbers and 177 drawings with 4 of 5 even numbers.

                 TOTAL HITS EVEN NUMBERS (OHIO ROLLING CASH5)

                  MATCH  0 = 37
                  MATCH  1 = 217
                  MATCH  2 = 428
                  MATCH  3 = 375
                  MATCH  4 = 177
                  MATCH  5 = 20

                You can alway reduce the pool of numbers you play, but the chances that any of the combinations in that pool will match 4 or 5 is also reduced.

                There is no special lottery software do what you want, you either write your own or learn to use a data analyzing program like Excel to do it.

                 * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                   
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                   Thanks Bob....your a prince! 

                    I think I'm gonna stay with the All even group... odds at only 11,628 ..... 

                   

                            Those All odd numbers odds .....stink   Way to high for me at 15,504 .... LOL LOL   

                            Now I'm spoiled on those little all evens.

                   

                      Thank You again.... for those .... your a fine fella. 

                      I was kinda' hoping to find a string of draws where each time they were drawn on ODD day dates .....say like the last 9 times in a row .....or something of that nature..... or drawn on only on days in the top of the month.....   Hmmm  I will keep looking.       Anyone else see any common pattern?   

                   

                   

                  The only real failure .....is the failure to try.                               

                                                Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much. 

                                                Odds never change .....but probability does. 

                                                                                                         Win d    

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                    Thank you for starting this topic Win D. This is a very informative thread!

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                       Hmmm RJOH.... ohio results are way below the normal expected hit rate of around 2% a year for ALL evens. Of course .... I am figuring draws 365 days a year too..... Different states may not draw each day.  Still...the percents should stay the same regardless of draw amounts.

                       Curious ..... was the All ODD rate as bad as that one ...the evens? 

                        The hit rate on those All ODDs ....should be averaging about 2.6 % a year.   

                        Yeap... OHIO looked slow on their hits .... for all evens usning 1254 draws ..... they should have about 25 hits not just 20 hits

                         Looks like Ohio is averaging their hits about once every 50 days..... instead of about once a month. Thats why i was curious to see if the All ODD fellas were raising a fuss during that time for balance. 

                        All odd rate during that time should be about 32 hits .....  average     Was it ?   

                       

                       

                      The only real failure .....is the failure to try.                               

                                                    Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much. 

                                                    Odds never change .....but probability does. 

                                                                                                             Win d    

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                        The odds of a 5/39 game are 1:575,757 unless you have all the winning numbers in a pool of 19 numbers(1:11,628).

                        When I look at the last 1254 drawings of Ohio Rolling Cash5, there were only 20 drawings with all even numbers and 177 drawings with 4 of 5 even numbers.

                         TOTAL HITS EVEN NUMBERS (OHIO ROLLING CASH5)

                          MATCH  0 = 37
                          MATCH  1 = 217
                          MATCH  2 = 428
                          MATCH  3 = 375
                          MATCH  4 = 177
                          MATCH  5 = 20

                        You can alway reduce the pool of numbers you play, but the chances that any of the combinations in that pool will match 4 or 5 is also reduced.

                        There is no special lottery software do what you want, you either write your own or learn to use a data analyzing program like Excel to do it.

                        WIN D,

                        Ohio now have OhioCash5 every day of the week.  Since I used all even numbers in the above, you can flip the results to get the answer for all odd numbers (20 numbers odds = 1:15504)/ there were 37 drawings with all odd numbers
                         
                        You would probably be better off to find other ways to reduce your number pool, for example only using numbers that hit 5-7 times during the previous 50 drawings.  When I applied this parameter to the Ohio Rolling Cash5 file the number pools were reduced to 8-27 numbers and had all 5 numbers 34 times.

                         07/04/08 - 05 11 20 26 27 (pool size 22 numbers)
                         06/04/08 - 02 04 17 19 33 (pool size 18 numbers)
                         04/11/08 - 01 02 03 09 36 (pool size 20 numbers)

                         TOTAL HIT USING NUMBERS THAT HIT 5-7 IN PREVIOUS 50 DRAWINGS (8-27 NUMBERS)

                         MATCH 0 = 57
                         MATCH 1 = 205
                         MATCH 2 = 374
                         MATCH 3 = 369
                         MATCH 4 = 167
                         MATCH 5 = 37

                        This was just a suggestion for an example, you would could find better parameters by experimenting.

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                          I track all Ohio jackpot games but I usually only play RC5 when it's $300K+, I've been working on picking numbers for MegaMillions.  I usually play 10-20 lines using a pool of 30-40 numbers without much luck yet even when I have four or more winning numbers in the pools.

                           * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                             
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                                  Still.......  are there only 11,628 possible combinations total......in the pick 5 game 1-39  or not ? 

                                   Because at this point and knowledge level....thats what I needed.  In my limited experience and no software....lower odds plays is all I have right now anyway.

                              RJOH.... are their similar odds reduction methods in the larger games that approach anywhere near the percentage reductions achieved here?  Thanks     

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                              Posted: July 31, 2008, 6:30 pm - IP Logged

                              All this strategy is interesting, however, so far in Illinois Little Lotto for 2008, also a 5/39 game, the results have been:

                              80 Jackpots

                              65 QP

                              43 PS

                              This includes shared jackpots. There's a jackpot an average of every 2.66 days, call it every third day, and as you see most of gone to quick picks.

                              As far as "odds reduction", in sp[orts betting it takes a winning percentage of 52.6% to overcome the bet 11 to win 10 vigorish, yet most people are losers.

                              Dice tables offer the only true odds bets that exist in all of gambling, yet most players are losers.

                              Granted in lotto the payoffs are much sweeter and it only takes one hit, but the house knows what it's doing.

                              As RJOh stated, the 5/39 odds are 1:575, 757.

                              In Illinois, the jackpot progresses starting at $100,000. No game operator is going to offer a $100,000 jackpot that's up against 11,000:1 odds.

                              Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                              Lep

                              There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.