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do/will you throw out your old data/systems?

yes [ 8 ]  [36.36%]
no [ 13 ]  [59.09%]
sometimes [ 1 ]  [4.55%]
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Posted: August 24, 2008, 4:17 pm - IP Logged

This applies for p5 games, too. How do you 'data trackers' handle the shakeup?

(Or... shakedown, depending on your point of view)

Thinking of...

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    Posted: August 24, 2008, 4:47 pm - IP Logged

    No. The data will need to be changed, but the system is the same. I just have to make the necessary adjustments for the new matrix.

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      Posted: August 24, 2008, 6:40 pm - IP Logged

      This applies for p5 games, too. How do you 'data trackers' handle the shakeup?

      (Or... shakedown, depending on your point of view)

      Thinking of...

      I track all the games I play using the following file format:YR MO DA N7 N1 N2 N3 N4 N5 N6 and accept any numbers 1-60 except for YR MO and DA

      My program logic concludes the following when a data file is first opened:

      If no N1 or N2 or N3 or N4 of N5 then file is corrupt or doesn't exist, close and await instructions.
      If no N6 and N7 then data is for a pick5 game.(Rolling Cash5)
      If no N6 only then data is for pick5 plus bonus game.(PB or MM)
      If no N7 only then data is for a pick6 game.(Ohio Classic)
      If all 7 numbers exist then data is for a pick6+bonus game.(the old Ohio Super Lotto)

      I also put information in the file names but I never wrote a routine to use it for example Rolling Cash5 =RC539, MegaMillions = MM556, Classic Lotto =CL649 and etc.   I have to place an invisible marker in each data file to show where matrix changed, but I keep all the data that I have collected for past drawings. I can sort my files three different ways, by YR MO DA or by N1 N2 N3 N4 N5 N6 or by N7.

      Last night's PB file entrant looks like this : A 080823231824334748 

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        Posted: August 24, 2008, 8:21 pm - IP Logged

        During the course of my "research", I found, thanks to LP, several ideas I wanted to incorporate.  To do so at that time meant going back to day one of the Tennessee P5 game.  That I did not wish to do.   Too much work.

        When Tennessee changed from ball drops to computer rigging, I made the changes and began tracking data anew.

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          Posted: August 25, 2008, 2:22 am - IP Logged

          I keep the old data for reference but the new matrix is what you have to work with.

          What came before might be useless as the new matrix evolves.

          Incorporate any old systems into the new matrix and see what happens.

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            Posted: August 26, 2008, 4:51 pm - IP Logged

            What is: The Matrix?

            I searched and found numerous posts using the term, but didn't find clear definition... also ran a query in Lottery Glossary: a Dictionary of Lotto Terms.

            Is Martix a generic term used as general application within the lexicon... or a specific industry Standard Term with rules of use and definition. 

            What does The Matrix include?

            What does The Matrix not include?

            And when those who understand the significance of systemic changes to any particular game/matrix, how do those changes change affect, and/or effect data, stats, and forecasting?

            Sorry to be asking questions that have obvious answers to others.

            Thank you.

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              Posted: August 26, 2008, 4:55 pm - IP Logged

              The matrix is the ballset(2) that makes up a game.

              for MM, the current matrix is 5/56 + 1/46

              for PB, the current  matrix is 5/55 + 1/42

              In neo-conned Amerika, bank robs you.
              Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms should be the name of a convenience store, not a govnoment agency.

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                Posted: August 26, 2008, 5:09 pm - IP Logged

                And when those who understand the significance of systemic changes to any particular game/matrix, how do those changes change affect, and/or effect data, stats, and forecasting?

                Data, statistics, and forecasting are dependent on history, when a matrix first change there is no history of the new matrix.  A new history has to be accumulated.

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                  Posted: August 26, 2008, 5:24 pm - IP Logged

                  The matrix is the ballset(2) that makes up a game.

                  for MM, the current matrix is 5/56 + 1/46

                  for PB, the current  matrix is 5/55 + 1/42

                  Thx time*treat.

                  Been following LP posts on the FL addition to PB... The Cause for great consternation within the continuum.

                  I gather then, people who have designed personal proprietary tracking systems and/or folks not blessed with programming skills, those who rely on commercial system(s) vendors are forced to start over, or invest more $$$ in upgrades?

                  So when any State joins, decides to quit, or changes are arbitrarily made to the lotto pool in some way, it all goes up in the air, again?

                  Hmmm....

                  Adapt or die? 

                  "Tell me it ain't so, Joe."

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                    Posted: August 26, 2008, 5:37 pm - IP Logged

                    .... folks not blessed with programming skills.....

                    Programming is a learned skill, nobody is blessed or born with it.  Commercial programs like Lotto Pro and others will work with any lottery matrix once you enter the new parameters. 

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                      Posted: August 26, 2008, 6:14 pm - IP Logged

                      And when those who understand the significance of systemic changes to any particular game/matrix, how do those changes change affect, and/or effect data, stats, and forecasting?

                      Data, statistics, and forecasting are dependent on history, when a matrix first change there is no history of the new matrix.  A new history has to be accumulated.

                      WHAT?!! Blue Thinking  #!?&$^!#?! 

                      RJOh, are you saying that all the old history is deleted - no longer applicable?!!

                      Surely, there must be a way a round it.

                      I know that PB has txt history available now, in unordered format at the PB website. Is it viable to capture existing histories, manually add stragglers, then plug in a algorithm to calc ratio and proportion to data/stats as the new matrix hits the streets?

                      As FL is added, the increase in players and revision in ballset matrix odds could be factored, somehow/someway.... yes/no?

                      Why don't they - the game designers - do the work for us?!!

                      If they're going to be diddlin' around with the matrix, then is it not incumbent upon them to make appropriate adjustments, accordingly - so it seems to me.

                      This is reminiSCENT of the OS software guys penchant for changing boats mid steam. A few at the top make the call, and millions are expected to jump on-board - never mind cost of casualties. Wouldn't be half as bad if the skipper wasn't on shore, and navigators had a grasp on the fact that they forgot the lifejackets. Do they ever bother to assess the value of work people (taxpayers) put-in - cost of playslips aside?

                      Unconsionable! 

                      We should think about pooling resources to put a lobbyist on K Street... Or call a general lotto/lottery boycott for a week. If they're going to be turning universes upside-down, then perhaps they should be first thru in the black hole. 

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                        Posted: August 26, 2008, 6:54 pm - IP Logged

                        "As FL is added, the increase in players and revision in ballset matrix odds could be factored, somehow/someway.... yes/no?"

                        How? The whole theory behind systems is that analyzing past results will offer insights into future results. There are no past results for a brand new game, which is what you get every time you change the matrix. They don't simply add a few balls to add the new numbers; they use an entirely new ball set, and possibly new machines. If you think the past results of the old matrix will help with the new one, you might as well also use the results from every other game, since they're as much a part of the new game as the old one is.

                        The only possible exception is if there's some unknown attribute in the universe that actually does cause probability to balance out in the long term. Maybe,  over the entire history of the universe, there will actualy be an even number of heads and tails.  Despite the absence of any proof at all, I'm willing to consider it a possibilty, but there's a catch. If such an attribute exists we would have to expect it to work on a scale the magnitude of the universe, which means we coul dsee huge imbalances before thinsg balance put a few billion years from now.

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                          "As FL is added, the increase in players and revision in ballset matrix odds could be factored, somehow/someway.... yes/no?"

                          How? The whole theory behind systems is that analyzing past results will offer insights into future results. There are no past results for a brand new game, which is what you get every time you change the matrix. They don't simply add a few balls to add the new numbers; they use an entirely new ball set, and possibly new machines. If you think the past results of the old matrix will help with the new one, you might as well also use the results from every other game, since they're as much a part of the new game as the old one is.

                          The only possible exception is if there's some unknown attribute in the universe that actually does cause probability to balance out in the long term. Maybe,  over the entire history of the universe, there will actualy be an even number of heads and tails.  Despite the absence of any proof at all, I'm willing to consider it a possibilty, but there's a catch. If such an attribute exists we would have to expect it to work on a scale the magnitude of the universe, which means we coul dsee huge imbalances before thinsg balance put a few billion years from now.

                          Right, I see the light. It slipped by that not only is FL joining, but the ballset (matrix) counts and machines change, also. 

                          However at this point in the TP poll, 71.4% have voted no to "do/will you throw out your old data/systems." 

                          I suppose majority reponses don't necessarily show that players intend to use old data/systems in sync with the new matrix... they just don't plan on tossing 'em out.

                          So it blows it wide open. What would be best approach in a new game as such... cross-ref data/stat patterns from another game with similiar or same matrix? But even then, demographic betting behaviors would not be the same, eh? 

                          No doubt matrix design is a well guarded secret... They must know up-front what numbers to odds/ratios and all are going to do before the game gets lit-off. It would be good to know what they know.

                          When I think about all the books and software, all the data/stat facts and private research in the 5/55 - 1/42 game, up in smoke... Guess that's what could be called, leveling the field - not atypical of tax all systems.

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                            Posted: August 27, 2008, 4:53 am - IP Logged

                            I track all the games I play using the following file format:YR MO DA N7 N1 N2 N3 N4 N5 N6 and accept any numbers 1-60 except for YR MO and DA

                            My program logic concludes the following when a data file is first opened:

                            If no N1 or N2 or N3 or N4 of N5 then file is corrupt or doesn't exist, close and await instructions.
                            If no N6 and N7 then data is for a pick5 game.(Rolling Cash5)
                            If no N6 only then data is for pick5 plus bonus game.(PB or MM)
                            If no N7 only then data is for a pick6 game.(Ohio Classic)
                            If all 7 numbers exist then data is for a pick6+bonus game.(the old Ohio Super Lotto)

                            I also put information in the file names but I never wrote a routine to use it for example Rolling Cash5 =RC539, MegaMillions = MM556, Classic Lotto =CL649 and etc.   I have to place an invisible marker in each data file to show where matrix changed, but I keep all the data that I have collected for past drawings. I can sort my files three different ways, by YR MO DA or by N1 N2 N3 N4 N5 N6 or by N7.

                            Last night's PB file entrant looks like this : A 080823231824334748 

                            Does the A, in front, mean anything?

                            In neo-conned Amerika, bank robs you.
                            Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms should be the name of a convenience store, not a govnoment agency.

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                              Does the A, in front, mean anything?

                              Yes, the "A" is a utility note in each record that tells my delete routine that this is an active record.  When I want to cancel or delete a record I write cancel which puts a "C" there instead and when I run the delete routine which rewrite the file, it only rewrite records with an "A".

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