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# Why is keno so hard to win?

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McKinney/Texas
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 Posted: October 24, 2008, 1:50 am - IP Logged

All numbers should show within approximately 16 to 21 games (statistical given).

One approach that can be successful is to request afrequency number ticket first for the last 15 or 16 games (meaning acomputerized ticket showing how frequently numbers have appeared in theprevious 15/16 games) then play the remaining sleeping numbers (usually3 to 5) with a negative progression for about six times (10 max). Wager each number as a King number (individual) with this 10 level negative progression:

1 - 1 - 2 - 3 - 5 - 8 - 12 - 18 - 27 - 41

Nothingfancy but usually (97%) all numbers come out in 20/21 trials butcandidly I really hate awaiting the outcomes on those heart poundingmushrooming progressions

SETTING LOSS LEVEL LIMITS-
Letssay you have 3 sleepers, you can play all 3 on one card, by circlingeach one they become a king and in effect its like playing 3 separatecards so the card costs \$3 on the first level. In the past I usuallydon't chase more then 6 or 7 progressions which means that the numberhasn't appeared in 20 or 21 games (extreme but possible). Also byplaying say all 3 numbers together as well as individually you have astrong chance of 3 numbers coming in together. So separate numbers payout 3 to 1 but there are no real wagering table limits so the muchabused Martingale can go on its virtual death march unimpeded. Meantimeif 3 numbers hit together you collect both on the separate \$3 each hits=\$9 plus \$42 for three out of three. Also say one number hits, then thenext play would be two numbers play with the possibility of a twonumber hit or either one individually. Additionally one could playadditional sleepers as they arrive up to 15/16 non-hits on a separatecards.

Trying to outrun the statistical extreme is alwayschallenging in any game but the sleepers seem to do better in keno ( Idon't have any supporting evidence) and there is no helpful housedealer interceding on the side of the casino treasury

Ephesians 3:20

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 Posted: October 24, 2008, 1:07 pm - IP Logged

FYI - the numbers behind the game.

http://www.johnph77.com/math/kenocomp.html

All common matrices covered - 20/90, 22/80, 20/70 and more.

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Heck, look at the Michigan nightly Keno.  The odds are listed as 2,546,000 to 1 or something close to that.  Very few people have won since Michigan switched the drawings from ball drawings to computer drawings.  Every winner,  who has sent a private message to me on LP,  won their top Michigan Keno prize back when actuall ball drawings were held.

I Think I agree w/U & Vicko!o

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 Posted: October 24, 2008, 7:29 pm - IP Logged

rolling with these Oct 24 2008, Ontario Keno

 6 16 21 48 55 56 67 6 16 25 44 53 58 65 6 21 25 44 56 58 65 6 48 53 55 58 65 67 16 21 48 53 56 58 65 16 25 44 55 58 65 67 21 25 44 48 53 55 56 21 25 44 48 53 56 67 4 8 10 24 37 50 51 4 8 14 23 24 39 50 4 8 14 27 42 46 51 4 8 23 24 39 46 50 4 10 23 27 37 39 42 8 10 23 27 37 39 42 10 14 23 37 39 46 51 10 14 24 27 42 46 50 14 24 27 37 42 46 50 23 24 27 39 42 50 51 24 26 31 33 37 44 64

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 Posted: October 26, 2008, 5:39 pm - IP Logged

try these for Oct 26 2008

4    13    21    53    52    67
6    11    23    51    54    65
47    65    68    1
49    63    70    69
6    14    21
8    12    23
70    12    13    18    40    52    59    63    64
2    10    15    16    42    50    61    61    66
17    36    55
19    34    57
1    11    23    27    30    34    36    45    49    54
3    9    25    25    32    32    38    43    51    52
47    51    60
49    49    62
70    3    2    11    19    51    50    65    65
2    1    4    9    21    49    52    63    67
70    5    10    22    48    52    51    66    69
2    3    12    20    50    50    53    64    1

1    11    14    17    41    51    60    62    65    = \$2

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Rolling with these for Oct 28

31    44
33    42
6    42    47    63
8    40    49    61
6    41
8    39
25    40    59
27    38    61
4    8    7    10    19    49    69
6    6    9    8    21    47    1
11    33    60
13    31    62

5    17    24    57    64
7    15    26    55    66
26    36    38    47    51
28    34    40    45    53
18    32    45    52
20    30    47    50
18    42    55
20    40    57
2    31    41    45    52
4    29    43    43    54

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Rolling with these for Oct 28

31    44
33    42
6    42    47    63
8    40    49    61
6    41
8    39
25    40    59
27    38    61
4    8    7    10    19    49    69
6    6    9    8    21    47    1
11    33    60
13    31    62

5    17    24    57    64
7    15    26    55    66
26    36    38    47    51
28    34    40    45    53
18    32    45    52
20    30    47    50
18    42    55
20    40    57
2    31    41    45    52
4    29    43    43    54

you been having any luck vick?

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for always sticking up for me.."

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 Posted: October 29, 2008, 12:21 am - IP Logged

not lately it seems

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i think you are on to something here, today i played about 12 games straight here in GA, i only pick 5 numbers because for me \$400 is enough and i don't have to worry about going to the lottery office to pick the larger prizes or deal with taxes and you get the money instantly.

by about the 8th game i noticed that as soon as they post the cold numbers they start showing up in the next games so alternating using a couple of cold and a couple of hot and randomly picking a number that i see constantly showing up every other game or so i started finally hitting 3 numbers consistently but had to go back to work because i was on my lunch hour.

i am going to follow up on this tomorrow, keno looks on the surface so easy to win but once you start playing

its so hard its frustrating.

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one more thing that i constantly think when it comes to the large prize, how is it does anyone

know for the state lotteries to rig the video games so it maybe only allows a someone to pick say 10 numbers of of the 80 once every 4 months or so. i know its harder with the ball games to rig but it sure seems strange that so many play and no one came come up with 10 numbers in keno over such a long period of time.

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i think you are on to something here, today i played about 12 games straight here in GA, i only pick 5 numbers because for me \$400 is enough and i don't have to worry about going to the lottery office to pick the larger prizes or deal with taxes and you get the money instantly.

by about the 8th game i noticed that as soon as they post the cold numbers they start showing up in the next games so alternating using a couple of cold and a couple of hot and randomly picking a number that i see constantly showing up every other game or so i started finally hitting 3 numbers consistently but had to go back to work because i was on my lunch hour.

i am going to follow up on this tomorrow, keno looks on the surface so easy to win but once you start playing

its so hard its frustrating.

5 numbers here is \$800.

I avoid all COLD numbers, and only play HOT numbers sparingly.

If I watch 10 games, I generally pick the numbers that have hit between 3 and 6 times.

(COLD - a number that has not hit, or only hit once or twice in 10-12 games)

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5 numbers here is \$800.

I avoid all COLD numbers, and only play HOT numbers sparingly.

If I watch 10 games, I generally pick the numbers that have hit between 3 and 6 times.

(COLD - a number that has not hit, or only hit once or twice in 10-12 games)

Right. The term I use is Luke-Warm.  I find in many games/draws, these always make up the majority of winning numbers....as I'm sure many of you have found as well.

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let's see what can happen for Oct 31 -

 17 21 42 45 52 61 62 64 1 5 12 16 20 44 55 2 3 19 27 30 31 32 40 41 48 26 33 49 66 68 11 57 60 16 48 58 36 43 44 17 21 61 19 32 35 48 55 17 35 43 61 5 44 48 5 44 48 32 35 36 43 61 30 41 51 35 36 43 61 20 35 44 5 32 44 46 48 16 32 48 5 20 36 43 58

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The one thing Keno players MUST do but seldom do is - watch.

Don't play, just watch.

Keep track of about 10-12 games - OR - if you walk into a place that plays Keno, and if you can get the results of the last 10 or so games, look at them.    What you are watching for - what you are looking for - is combinations that you may think you want to play, but have recently hit. So you can avoid playing them.

This is so you don't walk in a place and play (for example) 3-4-31-59-71 - when it just hit two games ago. It's unlikely to hit again for a few days.

You can apply that to about any combination, I'm not crazy about playing any two sequential numbers together that hit recently, for example, such as 9-10, 22-23, 34-35, 66-67, you get my drift.  They DO recur - but the odds are not good enough for me.

After you have WATCHED or looked up info on the prior 10 games, THEN you play.  Unless you MUST play something you 'feel' when you walk in. Use your own judgement.

I also don't play too many games on one ticket.    Imagine if you have picked a 5-spot for 20 games, and on the second game 4 of your 5 numbers hit - the chances of all 5 hitting in the next 18 games is pretty low. I learned this the hard way.

That said, I WILL pick a 5-spot for 24 games if I am heading out the door, but that's a whole 'nuther issue.

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Do you mean the Keno that is played every 5 minutes or the PICK 10 in New York which is a daily game? Is the Keno game drawn naturally (ball machine) or computerized? Computerized games are extremely difficult to systemize unless their programming is flawed. The upside is due to such a huge matrix your system only needs a slight advantage to reach breakeven.

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