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Posted: October 16, 2008, 8:51 pm - IP Logged

hennybogaN....great job!!! well said!!! you just put down the 411 on this issue...ENUFF SAID!!!

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    hennybogan

    "There is a CURSE given to anyone who does not tithe, as recorded in the book of Malachi.

    You will NEVER HEAR this preached in any church here in America, but the tithe is to be

    BEFORE TAXES etc. The bible says that God wants our FIRST FRUITS, and not our leftovers."

    Many say the tithe was about crops, not wages. Since we're talking lotto, if a jackpot winner was to tithe 10% of gross, they'd create quite a predicament for themselves.

    "Paul, the author of 2/3 of the bible"

    Let's see, less the Apocrypha which some churches use and some omit, the Old Testament is 39 books, the New Testament 27, and Paul is only New Testament. No way did he write 2/3 of the Bible. The NT yes, but not the Bible.

    You make a good point here:

    "If you feel gambling is wrong or evil, and you participate, then you are sinning.

    If you feel gambling is not wrong or evil, then you have the freedom of playing, and you are not sinning."

    Unfortunately, far too many people can only see everything from their own perspective and by golly,  if they consider it sinning for themself, then it's sinning for everybody. There just isn;t any live and let live with some people.

    Fundamentalist:

    A religious type who is absolutely terrified at the thought that somebody, somewhere in the world is enjoying themself.

    Peace

    Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any. So many systems, so many theories, so few jackpot winners. 

    Lep

    There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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      Posted: October 18, 2008, 12:56 am - IP Logged

      "In short, if it does not bring honor and glory to Jesus Christ, IT IS SIN PERIOD!!"

      I ate a banana today, but I'll be damned if I can figure out how that brings honor and glory to anyone. I guess that must make it  a sin.

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        "In short, if it does not bring honor and glory to Jesus Christ, IT IS SIN PERIOD!!"

        I ate a banana today, but I'll be damned if I can figure out how that brings honor and glory to anyone. I guess that must make it  a sin.

        Your body is the temple of Christ the vessel so to speak so anything you put into it food wise that is good for the body pleases him.

        You honor him by taking care of your body.

        Big John says. You don't hit the number. The number hits you!!!!

                       I'm not Big John, I'm Four4me, Big John's a friend.
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          Mothers like you describe are perfectly capable of tearing the winning ticket out of your hands and setting it on fire, flushing it, etc.  Also of searching your room on a regular basis.  A restraining order would be meaningless as you live together and there is no provision for replacing  destroyed forty million dollar lottery tickets. 

          Find a mother proof hiding place for your tickets. 

          Learn to keep your mouth shut about what you do with your money. 

          Do not be anywhere near your mother with a winning ticket if you want to keep it long enough to cash it in. 

          Redeem the winning ticket at once. 

          BobP
           

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            god is all powerful right?

             

            heres what i tell people to do about tithing.

             

            throw all your winnings into the air, whatever god can catch he can keep.

            " Still swinging, still missing "
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              No offense...but i'm in the medical field and your mom sounds schizophrenic.  Maybe you should seek therapy.  Quite a large number of schizophrenics are hyper religious in that way; I wouldn't take what she says to heart.  If you are old enough to be in university your mom has no say over your finances, legally speaking.

               I am not offended at all. I've suspected that my mom has schizotypy. What I learned was that anyone can have symptoms of schizo if they drive themselves hard enough.But mom scoffs at any rational explanation of her spiritual experiences.

               My mom claims that she has the gift of interpreting prophecy and identifying evil spirits. For pete's sake, pentecostalism infiltrated Roman Catholic! And she actually interpretes glossolalia as god's messages!

               I know that unhappy people can turn into hyper religious people. I shouldn't say this, but I know that my mom has been sexually repressed for decades and she is in constant fear of divine...anything.

               The problem is that people who have mystical experiences have no way to think rationally anymore. Humans are driven by instinct and non-rational things, and mystical experience can supress any kind of rational reasoning forever.

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                Perfectiming2

                Henry Cloud is a great author!

                ambelamba

                Even among those who claim to tithe 10%, nation wide the average tithe is

                2 to 3 %, and that's as goosd as it gets- and that came from a pastor!

                 Churches in KOREAN COMMUNITY demands at least 10% of your gross income. It's a totally separate world from mainline churches in America.

                 If you win 40 mil, you get 17~18 after tax. Still the KOREAN churches demand 4 mil, which is 10% of the gross jackpot amount.

                 Even some KOREAN catholic priests say that giving 10% of your gross income is the sign of your true faith.

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                  Perfecttiming2 said it all about as well as Billy Graham could.

                  There is a CURSE given to anyone who does not tithe, as recorded in the book of Malachi.

                  You will NEVER HEAR this preached in any church here in America, but the tithe is to be

                  BEFORE TAXES etc. The bible says that God wants our FIRST FRUITS, and not our leftovers.

                  However, most Christians and Americans have indicated that a nice new, big home, new cars,

                  new clothes, neat vacation, vacation home, rv's, boats, motorcycles, stocks, bonds, and gold

                  and silver are more important than their relationship with God. Therefore, all they have left is

                  1-3% of their gross salary. I can speak with authority on the subject, because I was one of

                  these folks until I saw the light.  As to being a Christian and playing the lottery, some have the

                  freedom to play, and others do not. I have studied the bible since 1956, and I can only recall

                  several passages in the bible that pertain to gambling. One passage deals with the Cross. As Jesus

                  Christ was being crucified, the Roman soldiers were "casting lots" to determine who would win

                  his robe. On this web site, I go one step further. When someone shares a system with me, like Mazk did, and I win, I not only give 10% to the work of God(The Salvation Army, Make A Wish, Smile Train. etc.), but I give 10% of my winnings to the systems author. Recently I won $600 in Texas Pick 4 and

                  I gave Mazk $60, and $60 went to one of the above institutions.

                  If you feel gambling is wrong or evil, and you participate, then you are sinning.

                  If you feel gambling is not wrong or evil, then you have the freedom of playing, and you are not

                  sinning. Paul, the author of 2/3 of the bible, has a lot to say on the subject of sin and freedom.

                  In short, if it does not bring honor and glory to Jesus Christ, IT IS SIN PERIOD!!

                  If you are rebelling about giving God 10% of what he gives you, I PROMISE YOU - YOU WILL

                  NEVER WIN THE LOTTERY, AND YOU CAN GO TO THE BANK ON THAT!!!!!

                   I don't want to be rude but I want to laugh at you at the face.

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                    Your body is the temple of Christ the vessel so to speak so anything you put into it food wise that is good for the body pleases him.

                    You honor him by taking care of your body.

                     Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

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                       Churches in KOREAN COMMUNITY demands at least 10% of your gross income. It's a totally separate world from mainline churches in America.

                       If you win 40 mil, you get 17~18 after tax. Still the KOREAN churches demand 4 mil, which is 10% of the gross jackpot amount.

                       Even some KOREAN catholic priests say that giving 10% of your gross income is the sign of your true faith.

                      ambelamba

                      So do the Mormons, among others.

                      Do you think that's the sign of true faith or the sign of a cult?

                      Maybe these Korean churches don't like the verse in the Bible that says God loves a cheerful giver.

                      When people are being coerced and stron-armed or shamed into giving they are hardly doing so cheerfully.

                      Some- far too many- churches put the business of being a church way before the reason of being a church.

                      Shakedown artists are shakedown artists, no matter what they call themselves.

                      Tithing on gross is insanity.

                      Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any. So many systems, so many theories, so few jackpot winners. 

                      Lep

                      There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                        when i was down on my luck at an earlier time in life.  Went to four different churches for help.   Needless to say, none helped me.

                        I did get some help down the road from a local charity, which i volunteer for today.  Guess how much the Jesus followers will get of the winnings?

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                          hennybogan

                          "There is a CURSE given to anyone who does not tithe, as recorded in the book of Malachi.

                          You will NEVER HEAR this preached in any church here in America, but the tithe is to be

                          BEFORE TAXES etc. The bible says that God wants our FIRST FRUITS, and not our leftovers."

                          Many say the tithe was about crops, not wages. Since we're talking lotto, if a jackpot winner was to tithe 10% of gross, they'd create quite a predicament for themselves.

                          "Paul, the author of 2/3 of the bible"

                          Let's see, less the Apocrypha which some churches use and some omit, the Old Testament is 39 books, the New Testament 27, and Paul is only New Testament. No way did he write 2/3 of the Bible. The NT yes, but not the Bible.

                          You make a good point here:

                          "If you feel gambling is wrong or evil, and you participate, then you are sinning.

                          If you feel gambling is not wrong or evil, then you have the freedom of playing, and you are not sinning."

                          Unfortunately, far too many people can only see everything from their own perspective and by golly,  if they consider it sinning for themself, then it's sinning for everybody. There just isn;t any live and let live with some people.

                          Fundamentalist:

                          A religious type who is absolutely terrified at the thought that somebody, somewhere in the world is enjoying themself.

                          Peace

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                          Many say the tithe was about crops, notwages. Since we're talking lotto, if a jackpot winner was to tithe 10% ofgross, they'd create quite a predicament for themselves.

                          I disagree.

                          God expects us to give him10% of our first fruits and that is anything derived by our labor. It can, and

                          usually is money, or it can be crops, or anything else paid to us.

                          What kind of a PREDICAMENT are you talking about?

                          let's sayyou win say $20,000,000 in your state’s Lottery. Thestate will take out close to

                          50% of the $20,000,000 – maybe even more –who cares!!!! So, that leaves

                          you with around $10,000,000. God says in his wordto give him at least 10% of

                          the $20,000,000 which is a MEAGER$2,000,000!!! That leaves you with $8,000,000.

                          I fail to understand or see what you mean by the word "PREDICAMENT".

                          I’ll take $8,000,000 any dayof the week, and will put the $2,000,000 to work for a lot

                          of needy charities. I'll even go you one step further. If you ever PM me with a Lotto number for the

                          Texas Lotto, and I play it and it hits, I'LL GIVE YOU 5% OF THE $20,000,000. That's just

                          $1,000,000 for you. But, I know. That places me in one heck of a predicament now doesn't it?

                          I mean, I'm down to a paltry little $7,000,000 now. Oh my, oh my. How can one live on such

                          a small wage?

                             

                          "Paul, the author of 2/3 of thebible"

                          I meant to say ½ of the New Testament. Thanks for correcting me.

                          I'm serious about the 5% gratuity. I even pay the clerks 5% of my winnings at the stores where I

                          buy my tickets. Boy, do they love to see me walk in their stores! When I won the $600 a few weeks

                          back, I gave the guy $30(5% of $600) for selling me the three winning tickets. I gave Mazk $60

                          (10% of $600). And, I gave $60 in a Money Order to a religious organization. That left me with

                          $450. Not a predicament. Now, I get all the free coffee I want, I am greeted with a warm smile and

                          hello no matter how busy and stressed out the workers are, and I just have that MIRACLE ON 34TH

                          STREET HAPPINESS that just cannot be explained. God loves a cheerful giver.

                            Ephesians 3:20


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                            hennybogan

                            Good for you, you're a "George" (casino term for good tipper, though most casino people don't know it comes from "Generous George").

                            As for the tithing, and the precentage, and predicament -

                            in Scripture, Malachi 3:10 reads:

                            Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may befood in my house. Test me in this," says the LORD Almighty, "and see ifI will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so muchblessing that you will not have room enough for it.

                            If that's not talking about crops, why say storehouse? Who keeps their cash in a storehouse?

                            As for a predicament, let's say a lotto player is going to a church that ambelamba mentiond insists on 10% of gross. And let's say our lotto player, we'll call him Lucky Larry, who is hits on a night the jackpot is $10,000,000.

                            Larry opts for cash, so call the $10,000,000 let's say $4,600,000. That's pre-tax. Now let's say after taxes (Feds are going to take 25% now and another 10% later- something leanred here on LP) Larry actually gets $2,875,000 (state tax was a guess). But alas! He has promised to tithe 10% of the gross jackpot- i.e., $1,000,000. So he is giving the church $1.0 million of $2.875 million, or 34.78%. Considering the sums involved, that certainly sounds like a predicament to me.

                            As you yourself ended your last post, God loves a cheerful giver.

                            Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any. So many systems, so many theories, so few jackpot winners. 

                            Lep

                            There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                              Perfectiming2

                              Henry Cloud is a great author!

                              ambelamba

                              Even among those who claim to tithe 10%, nation wide the average tithe is

                              2 to 3 %, and that's as goosd as it gets- and that came from a pastor!

                              Hi Coin Toss!

                              Hey, it has been a while since I have been on here....Thanks so much for posting and I hope all is well!

                              Henry Cloud is a great author and I also like his DVD response to "The Secret".