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How many combos to win a cash 5 game at least 50% of the time?

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Posted: February 9, 2009, 9:53 pm - IP Logged

I only play $1 each day on Cash 5. I usually win about 33% of what I play. You're right about the payout, it's not too good. That's why I only play a buck. It just doesn't pay out enough to play more than that, especially if you do win with someone else and end up splitting the jackpot.As recently as 2005 jackpots were $30,000 and more.

I really would like to see Tx start a game like Pa's Quinto. The payout is $50,000 at 100,000 to 1 odds. I would quit Cash 5 in a second for a Pick 5 game. The one benefit Cash 5 has over a game like Quinto is that you will win a few bucks for hitting 2,3, or 4 numbers, where in Quinto you win nothing if all your numbers don't hit.

Yes, $50 000 per 100 000 total combos is much better than $27 000 per 1/2 Million combos.

There are some advantages to a 5 characters line versus a 3 characters line, but there might also be cons involved somewhere, I don't know.

The advantages are filter advantages.

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    Posted: February 9, 2009, 10:10 pm - IP Logged

        It would seem to me that any filter that had a 50 - 50 ratio, such as odd or even sum, would do the trick.  Here in Tennessee "repeat numbers" have a 47% success rate.  47% of the time there will be a repeat number.  Which means that 53% of the time numbers will not repeat.

         Still far too many combinations to play even should one posses the financial power.  Just filling out 287,000+ slips would be exhausting if not impossible.

    I added the numbers mentaly and as fast as I could so their sums might not be right.

         02/07/2009     02     04     14     20     29    69   Sum
         02/06/2009     04     15     16     29     30    94   Sum  
         02/05/2009     02     16     30     34     35    117 Sum
         02/04/2009     08     13     17     31     36    105 Sum
         02/03/2009     04     15     18     21     30    88   Sum
         02/02/2009     02     03     18     28     32    83   Sum
         01/31/2009     05     15     24     25     26    95   Sum
         01/30/2009     11     20     21     28     29    109 Sum

    If I didn't make mistakes there are more odd sums there, but maybe in the long run more or less they might even out enough.

    So you would be right, here on Tx there are some repeat numbers, but I don't know their average stats.

    Yes, too many combos, for just 2 filters and when combined they might fail way too much.

    One should pick filters patterns very carefully as failures compound.

    I think that I showed some of that on some old posts.

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      Posted: February 9, 2009, 10:21 pm - IP Logged

      I added the numbers mentaly and as fast as I could so their sums might not be right.

           02/07/2009     02     04     14     20     29    69   Sum
           02/06/2009     04     15     16     29     30    94   Sum  
           02/05/2009     02     16     30     34     35    117 Sum
           02/04/2009     08     13     17     31     36    105 Sum
           02/03/2009     04     15     18     21     30    88   Sum
           02/02/2009     02     03     18     28     32    83   Sum
           01/31/2009     05     15     24     25     26    95   Sum
           01/30/2009     11     20     21     28     29    109 Sum

      If I didn't make mistakes there are more odd sums there, but maybe in the long run more or less they might even out enough.

      So you would be right, here on Tx there are some repeat numbers, but I don't know their average stats.

      Yes, too many combos, for just 2 filters and when combined they might fail way too much.

      One should pick filters patterns very carefully as failures compound.

      I think that I showed some of that on some old posts.

           02/07/2009     02     04     14     20     29    69Sum
           02/06/2009     04     15     16     29     30    94Sum 
           02/05/2009     02     16     30     34     35    117 Sum
           02/04/2009     08     13     17     31     36    105 Sum
           02/03/2009     04     15     18     21     30    88 Sum
           02/02/2009     02     03     18     28     32    83 Sum
           01/31/2009     05     15     24     25     26    95 Sum
           01/30/2009     11     20     21     28     29    109 Sum
          The thing about stats and therefore filters is What do you see when you see this, or how do you see it?
      Do you see a line as 1 whole thing?
      Do you see this as 5 individual things?
      Do you see it in both ways?
      Do you also see it as 10 individual characters, but maybe related in some stats ways?
      Do you see rows or columns or rows and columns both?
      Do you see all the characters in all the lines related in stats ways or not?
      Is a sum just a sum or many filters in there in the one?
      Do you see the individual characters as single digits, pairs, triads, quads, etc, or not?
      Do you see the digits as filter and prediction patterns or just as numbers-digits?

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        Posted: February 11, 2009, 10:43 am - IP Logged

        Here in Virginia our Cash 5 game is a 5/34 game. You can play for $0.25 a line and win $25,000 for a 5/5 ticket. All prizes are NOT paramutual and there can be 10 winners for $25,000 a piece and everyone will receive their $25,000. I think VA is the best Cash 5 game b/c you can play 4 lines for a dollar, its only 5/34 and you get all your prize money regardless of our many winners. However, I too am looking at how to cut back on combos here.

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          Posted: February 11, 2009, 11:25 am - IP Logged

          Illinois Little Lotto is a 5/39 game. Always starts at $100,000 and rolls over if no one wins.

           

          WAYS TO WIN

            
          PrizeChancesAVG Prize

          First Prize
          Match all 5 numbers in any order

          1:575,757$100,000 starting jackpot
          Second Prize
          Match 4 of the 5 numbers in any order
          1:3,387$100
          Third Prize
          Match 3 of the 5 numbers in any order
          1:103$10
          Fourth Prize
          Match 2 of the 5 numbers in any order
          1:10$1

          Overall Chances

          1:9
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            Posted: February 11, 2009, 12:12 pm - IP Logged

            Here in Virginia our Cash 5 game is a 5/34 game. You can play for $0.25 a line and win $25,000 for a 5/5 ticket. All prizes are NOT paramutual and there can be 10 winners for $25,000 a piece and everyone will receive their $25,000. I think VA is the best Cash 5 game b/c you can play 4 lines for a dollar, its only 5/34 and you get all your prize money regardless of our many winners. However, I too am looking at how to cut back on combos here.

            Hi!

            At their site I didn't find much information, but they seem to have the cash 5 game 2 times a day.

            As you say for 25 Cents they pay $25 000

            For 50 Cents, $50 000 and

            For $1, $100 000.

            There is no mention of any lower prices and might as well as they would not pay nothing any-way.

            I guess that all of the money goes for the Jackpot price.

            All the states should do the same as you all do.

            Imagine winning $25 000 for a 25 Cent ticket.

            Here on Tx you are lucky to get $4 000 to $17 000 for a $1 ticket, it is very bad here.

            Good Luck!

            ---------I wonder why it shows like that? Or is it just my bad sight?

            1    12    21    30    32
            Day Results
            0 tickets matched     5 of 5 / $1.00    paying $100,000
            0 tickets matched     5 of 5 / $.50     paying $50,000
            0 tickets matched     5 of 5 / $.25     paying $25,000

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              Posted: February 11, 2009, 12:44 pm - IP Logged

              Illinois Little Lotto is a 5/39 game. Always starts at $100,000 and rolls over if no one wins.

               

              WAYS TO WIN

                
              PrizeChancesAVG Prize

              First Prize
              Match all 5 numbers in any order

              1:575,757$100,000 starting jackpot
              Second Prize
              Match 4 of the 5 numbers in any order
              1:3,387$100
              Third Prize
              Match 3 of the 5 numbers in any order
              1:103$10
              Fourth Prize
              Match 2 of the 5 numbers in any order
              1:10$1

              Overall Chances

              1:9

              Hi!

              Their Jackpot prize is great very good, but they are not paying anything for the lower prizes, Why then do they bother to pay anything at all for them?

              Either the money goes just for the jackpot or is given more evenly for all prizes.

              That the jackpot can increase when it rolls over, that is great.

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              Tx:

               Cash Five Winning Numbers for 02/10/2009 were:    9 - 13 - 19 - 27 - 28

              Amount     Winners
              5 of 5     $11,785 ............................2
              4 of 5     $92 ..............................115
              3 of 5     $8 .............................2,997
              2 of 5     $2 ...........................27,609
              Total Winners:           30,723
              ...................Where Sold:     
              .............Prize
              Level     Retailer     Retailer
              .............................................................................................City.........................Quick Pick
              5 of 5     KROGER #312 GPT............................................HOUSTON............................Yes
              5 of 5     LITTLE WORLD GROCERY STORE....................... DALLAS...............................No

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              I guess that not all who win do it with Quick Picks.

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              Tx Cash 5:

              If no one correctly matches all five numbers to win the 1st or 5-of-5 prize, the money set asideto pay the 1st prize will roll down to the 4-of-5 prize. The 4-of-5 prize will increaseaccordingly.

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              They must be lying take a look at these:

               Cash Five Winning Numbers for 02/10/2009 were:
              9 - 13 - 19 - 27 - 28
              Number
              Correct     Prize
              Amount     Winners
              5 of 5     $11,785     2
              4 of 5     $92     115
              3 of 5     $8     2,997
              2 of 5     $2     27,609
              Total Winners:           30,723

              ----------

              View Details     02/10/2009     9     13    19     27     28     $11,785      2
              View Details     02/09/2009     9     14    27     31     32     $0     0
              View Details     02/07/2009     2     4     14     20     29     $0     0
              View Details     02/06/2009     4     15    16     29     30     $0     0
              View Details     02/05/2009     2     16    30     34     35     $0     0
              View Details     02/04/2009     8     13    17     31     36     $27,156      1

              Nobody won it for 4 draws and yet they only pay $92 for a 4 out of 5 Prize.

              That is not even $100 per winning ticket.

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                Their Jackpot prize is great very good, but they are not paying anything for the lower prizes, Why then do they bother to pay anything at all for them?

                Either the money goes just for the jackpot or is given more evenly for all prizes.

                When deciding fixed payouts for lower prizes rather than having a pari-mutual scheme, the potential amount that might has to be paid out has to be considered or the states could end up not making 50% of sales or at worst losing money.  In either case, the state would have no reason to have a lottery.

                 possible combos of 5 with 39 numbers are 575757
                 MATCH    ODDS                        WINNING COMBOS
                  5/5     1 : 575757                  1
                  4/5     1 : 3387                    170
                  3/5     1 : 103                     5610
                  2/5     1 : 10                      59840
                 ____________________________________________________
                 overall odds are 1 : 8.7         

                 * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                   
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                  Posted: February 11, 2009, 1:31 pm - IP Logged

                  Their Jackpot prize is great very good, but they are not paying anything for the lower prizes, Why then do they bother to pay anything at all for them?

                  Either the money goes just for the jackpot or is given more evenly for all prizes.

                  When deciding fixed payouts for lower prizes rather than having a pari-mutual scheme, the potential amount that might has to be paid out has to be considered or the states could end up not making 50% of sales or at worst losing money.  In either case, the state would have no reason to have a lottery.

                   possible combos of 5 with 39 numbers are 575757
                   MATCH    ODDS                        WINNING COMBOS
                    5/5     1 : 575757                  1
                    4/5     1 : 3387                    170
                    3/5     1 : 103                     5610
                    2/5     1 : 10                      59840
                   ____________________________________________________
                   overall odds are 1 : 8.7         

                  Hi!

                  The lower prize are a tease, I would prefer either all the money for the top prize or all the money much more evenly for all prizes, like maybe $10 000 Jackpot, $200 4 out of 5, $15 3 out of 5 and $3 for a 2 out of 5.

                  Something like that.

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                    Posted: February 11, 2009, 2:08 pm - IP Logged

                    Hi!

                    The lower prize are a tease, I would prefer either all the money for the top prize or all the money much more evenly for all prizes, like maybe $10 000 Jackpot, $200 4 out of 5, $15 3 out of 5 and $3 for a 2 out of 5.

                    Something like that.

                    Who would play a game with odds of 1:575757 of winning $10,000 when they could play pick4 with 25 times better odds of winning the same amount?

                     * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                       
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                      Posted: February 11, 2009, 2:13 pm - IP Logged

                      To answer the question about the VA Cash 5 prizes....

                       

                      $0.25 Bet Pays: Match 5= $25,000

                                                Match 4= $25.00....which I have matched 4 times with two of those times on the same day Day and Night draw.

                                                Match 3= $1.25

                       

                      $0.50 Bet Pays: Match 5= $50,000

                                                Match 4= $50.00

                                                Match 3= $2.50

                       

                      $1.00 Bet Pays: Match 5= $100,000

                                                Match 4= $100

                                                Match 3= $5.00