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Posted: February 10, 2009, 9:21 pm - IP Logged

    I could not agree more with this post.  There will always be that one person who hangs around, contributes nothing ( no ideas, no money, no time, no effort ) but when another member wins the jackpot, will want his "fair share".  You can try to protect yourself as much as you want but you will never protect yourself enough.  Therefore, play on your own; win on your own.

I Agree! People do strange things when money is involved.

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    Its no big deal, thats why i said any lottery clubs maybe ppl on here might recommend, not joining just through google with who ever. Seems like members have been on here a long time and might be more trustworthy then most new places. I didn't mean to start a controversey, lol...Of course i know family and friends are safer, if you have enough who want to participate. And just because its online, does not mean each and every one of us are crooks. There are bad ppl as well as good online, so you can't say all lotto pools are scams. I really didn't post this as a debate or advice, i'm a big girl, i don't need advice on what to stay away from.  I just asked a simple question, any one know of any good lotto clubs.

    I did not mean to insult your intelligence or to imply that you could not watch out for yourself.  It's just that since you're new here and I don't know you yet, I thought it better to provide all the information I could. 

    Many people who post similar questions to yours have no clue about the dangers that await them if they join a web site claiming to buy lottery tickets.  They will spend $1,000 or more on lottery tickets and have no idea that they are not actually playing the lottery.

     

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      Posted: February 11, 2009, 11:30 am - IP Logged

      hey I don't mind getting the website name , information is not too much. [rockwell]

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        Posted: February 11, 2009, 11:36 am - IP Logged

        hey I don't mind getting the website name , information is not too much. [rockwell]

        It is a commercial web site and cannot be posted on the forums.

         

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          Posted: February 11, 2009, 4:42 pm - IP Logged

          From USPS Publication 300a, Page 9:

          Except for state-owned and -operated lotteries, federal law prohibits sending lottery material through the mail.

          When you read the federal law, you will find that that includes tickets, money, or offers to sell lottery tickets.  Technically, if your brother that lives across town from you sends you a dollar to buy a ticket for him, he just broke a federal law. 

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            From USPS Publication 300a, Page 9:

            Except for state-owned and -operated lotteries, federal law prohibits sending lottery material through the mail.

            When you read the federal law, you will find that that includes tickets, money, or offers to sell lottery tickets.  Technically, if your brother that lives across town from you sends you a dollar to buy a ticket for him, he just broke a federal law. 

            I agree, and a federal law adds to that, by not allowing the sending of gambling materials using a common carrier — which means FedEx, UPS, etc.

             

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              Posted: February 11, 2009, 11:36 pm - IP Logged

              From USPS Publication 300a, Page 9:

              Except for state-owned and -operated lotteries, federal law prohibits sending lottery material through the mail.

              When you read the federal law, you will find that that includes tickets, money, or offers to sell lottery tickets.  Technically, if your brother that lives across town from you sends you a dollar to buy a ticket for him, he just broke a federal law. 

              I believe this law is intended to stop people from selling lootery tickets by mail for a profit. No actual tickets will be mailed - only scans.

              A lotto club would be handled by a few people locally and only money is transferred.

              I will be talking to the Florida Lottery people next week to find out the dos and don'ts. I can't believe a lottery club would violate gambling laws since the games are legal in the states where the tickets are bought - and no one is making money off the club by charging a premium.

              One question I have for the Lottery officials is the issues of donations. I can see small donations to the club for printer ink and web hosting - and it would be a very small donation.

              Cheers!

              Tom Dempsey

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                I believe this law is intended to stop people from selling lootery tickets by mail for a profit. No actual tickets will be mailed - only scans.

                A lotto club would be handled by a few people locally and only money is transferred.

                I will be talking to the Florida Lottery people next week to find out the dos and don'ts. I can't believe a lottery club would violate gambling laws since the games are legal in the states where the tickets are bought - and no one is making money off the club by charging a premium.

                One question I have for the Lottery officials is the issues of donations. I can see small donations to the club for printer ink and web hosting - and it would be a very small donation.

                Cheers!

                Tom Dempsey

                Pensacola, FL

                No, the law is not just about actual lottery tickets.  It forbids any type of printed materials promoting, arranging, or engaged in commerce of gambling.  Also, if the materials are being mailed across state lines, that's worse because it involves inter-state commerce.

                Also, what you call "donations" are not seen in the eyes of the law in that manner, because they are directly related to the operation of your club.  They are paying for its operation.

                I think you'll find that once you start investigating the actual legality vs. what people discuss and "think" the laws are, you may be in for a surprise.

                 

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                  No, the law is not just about actual lottery tickets.  It forbids any type of printed materials promoting, arranging, or engaged in commerce of gambling.  Also, if the materials are being mailed across state lines, that's worse because it involves inter-state commerce.

                  Also, what you call "donations" are not seen in the eyes of the law in that manner, because they are directly related to the operation of your club.  They are paying for its operation.

                  I think you'll find that once you start investigating the actual legality vs. what people discuss and "think" the laws are, you may be in for a surprise.

                  I Agree!

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                    Posted: February 12, 2009, 9:41 am - IP Logged

                    I did not mean to insult your intelligence or to imply that you could not watch out for yourself.  It's just that since you're new here and I don't know you yet, I thought it better to provide all the information I could. 

                    Many people who post similar questions to yours have no clue about the dangers that await them if they join a web site claiming to buy lottery tickets.  They will spend $1,000 or more on lottery tickets and have no idea that they are not actually playing the lottery.

                    Oh no problem....I actually do research pretty good on sites before i participate in them...Yes i guess to win on your own is always great, but your odds are also not as good...I missed a chance of a lifetime years ago when a group of medical ppl i worked with did a group lotto, it was 50 ppl in it... I was on vacation and didn't participate in it, they hit the 649 jackpot, It was something like 15 million, then the next nite they actually got all 5 numbers on the cash 5....Now what are the odds of that...You want to talk about wanting to slit your throat...ROFL People from texas on here might have heard of them, they were plastered all over the newspapers from San Antonio...

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                      Oh no problem....I actually do research pretty good on sites before i participate in them...Yes i guess to win on your own is always great, but your odds are also not as good...I missed a chance of a lifetime years ago when a group of medical ppl i worked with did a group lotto, it was 50 ppl in it... I was on vacation and didn't participate in it, they hit the 649 jackpot, It was something like 15 million, then the next nite they actually got all 5 numbers on the cash 5....Now what are the odds of that...You want to talk about wanting to slit your throat...ROFL People from texas on here might have heard of them, they were plastered all over the newspapers from San Antonio...

                      See, your story actually helps point out why many people are opposed to playing in pools.  With 50 people in a pool, that $15 million jackpot, which is actually about $7.5 million in cash — but really about $5.25 million after taxes are withheld — amounts to $105,000 per person.

                      The reason people play the big lotto games is to win an amount so big that they will never have to worry about money again.

                      If you want to win $105,000, then you should just play the Cash 5 game, and if you do that — playing solo — your prize and odds are the same or better than those 50 people who played the big-jackpot game, and you won't be sued by people claiming that they own a share of your ticket.

                      There are many other reasons to avoid a pool, and they've been said before, but I'm mentioning that because I don't want to leave the impression that this is the only reason to avoid one.  It just happens to be a very clear-cut example.

                      Pools are fine for having some fun with friends, but they are NOT a good way to chase that dream of never working again. 

                       

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                        Yes maybe for ppl wanting the big dream of 15 million themselves, but i am more then happy with $105,000....They all only pitched in $10, not a bad investment to win $105,000.....You wouldn't hear me complaining...And the cash 5 here in texas never gets that high, your lucky if it hits $75,000 and thats if no one else hits too at the same time...and how many tickets would you be able to risk losing $500 to purchase that many tickets yourself? So theres good and bad really on both ends...Would you be happy winning only $105,000, or would you rather chase the dream on your own and try for 15 millon yourself. Personally, i would be happy with $105,000....I rarely even play the 649 because of the odds, i stick with texas 2 step and the pick 3....If i dream of numbers i play them in the pick 3, won $2500 in one week from dreams. Recently saw 116 so i am hoping it might hit soon...

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                          Posted: February 12, 2009, 10:33 am - IP Logged

                          Family and "friends" are content to wait until you win. Then, they'll want to participate. Save yourself a headache; buy on your own, win on your own.

                          I Agree!

                           

                          besides the post that Todd made.....this is the best advice.

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                            Yes maybe for ppl wanting the big dream of 15 million themselves, but i am more then happy with $105,000....They all only pitched in $10, not a bad investment to win $105,000.....You wouldn't hear me complaining...And the cash 5 here in texas never gets that high, your lucky if it hits $75,000 and thats if no one else hits too at the same time...and how many tickets would you be able to risk losing $500 to purchase that many tickets yourself? So theres good and bad really on both ends...Would you be happy winning only $105,000, or would you rather chase the dream on your own and try for 15 millon yourself. Personally, i would be happy with $105,000....I rarely even play the 649 because of the odds, i stick with texas 2 step and the pick 3....If i dream of numbers i play them in the pick 3, won $2500 in one week from dreams. Recently saw 116 so i am hoping it might hit soon...

                            $10 "invested" to win $105,000 is not good in lottery terms!

                            If you "invest" (hate using that word when talking about the lottery) $10 in Cash 5 in Texas, you'll have a better shot at winning, and even if the Cash 5 top prize is $50,000, you'll win $500,000 ($350,000 with taxes coming out), as opposed to winning $105,000 in that pool.

                            Again, a pool is fine from a social aspect -- it can be fun to play with a "team" of people you know -- but not from a risk/reward perspective.  (Which is a much better phrase than "investment" when speaking of the lottery, because the lottery -- gambling -- is not an investment.)

                             

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                              Posted: February 12, 2009, 12:36 pm - IP Logged

                              Like time*treat said its best to play by yourself, but if you feel you want to play with others then I would suggest picking a family member you trust with all your heart and play with that person.