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Posted: August 5, 2009, 10:07 pm - IP Logged

agree with "you can't predict random" but to a degree you can predict "favourable" condition, but you need to keep your position "short" (similar to trading on the exchange floor) meaning you gather your data and enter game on high jackpot, some simple statistics data (not using large sample historical set) and exit, no excessive wheeling, blind quick picks etc, set maximum loss scenerio, do most on the paper and prepare for a long haul, exit immediately on the jackpot drop, in other words do very very few bets and stretch over very long time, possibly create computerized program that alerts on the conditions you set so you dont have to spend day in and day out watching the trends, all else is an illusion.

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    agree with "you can't predict random" but to a degree you can predict "favourable" condition, but you need to keep your position "short" (similar to trading on the exchange floor) meaning you gather your data and enter game on high jackpot, some simple statistics data (not using large sample historical set) and exit, no excessive wheeling, blind quick picks etc, set maximum loss scenerio, do most on the paper and prepare for a long haul, exit immediately on the jackpot drop, in other words do very very few bets and stretch over very long time, possibly create computerized program that alerts on the conditions you set so you dont have to spend day in and day out watching the trends, all else is an illusion.

    Then Predicting random might be done then if conditions are right?

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      Posted: August 6, 2009, 2:55 pm - IP Logged

      Then Predicting random might be done then if conditions are right?

      I would like to know this also.

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        Then Predicting random might be done then if conditions are right?

        I guess you could say anyone who wins a lottery jackpot with a combination they picked predicted a random event, but what are the odds of that happening?  Probably about the same as someone getting lucky and winning a lottery jackpot with a quick pick although there are those who would argue that the odds of doing either are not the same. 

        There are those who've won a jackpot with combinations they've played forever saying "I knew those numbers would hit when the conditions were right" so it can be said they predicted a random event that finally happened when the conditions were right.

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          man...I do alot of programing and can program things in excel that would blow your mind...all i need is fresh ideas and trends people notice outside of skip/hit chart, integration and derivative algorythms, etc.  these are all the traditional thinking.....i think when u use equations as such...u are just fighting against the stone!

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            I HAVE been studying the TN lottery and other lotteries for a while and i come to a conclusion, that trying to crack all lotteries with various statistical disciplines seem benighn...so i have a suggestion...can everyone just sit back and brainstorm on a new way of looking at these systems without using statistical formulas because to me i think that's what is holding everyone back, which is  trying to implement this formula and that formula.. the funny thing is people can crack satellite system, bank accounts, etc. so why don't we refocus our efforts on reform lottery strategies....i have a couple of ideas...and is now testing it with TN lottery..my results seem to be leading to somewhere...  Yes i know how to navigate and program microsoft excel to make it analyze the lottery in a reform way....for example...when i say look at it differently..take TN Lottery ...certain numbers drawn in a row, make pictures that are looking back at u...or even letters .. LET'S CREATE A THINK TANK..that is looking at the numbers in a new perspective

            Which game type?

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              Posted: August 7, 2009, 11:08 am - IP Logged

              Any ideas about what to research regarding patterns would be most welcomed.

              I've alway thought if someone had an idea that they weren't willing to research themselves before mentioning it, it wasn't worth being researched by some one else.

              I too have looked at patterns of winning numbers but first I had to come up with a way to define them.  I divided the number pools into 2, 3, 4 and 5 groups and assigned letters A B C D E and F to them.  Such groups did show certain patterns defined that way were more popular than others but so far I haven't been able to use it to my advantage.  Even when I play the most popular patterns and the winning combinations fits that pattern the variations within the pattern is so large that it's like having picked my combinations randomly. 

              Maybe I need a better way of defining patterns, any suggestions?

              RJOH

              You have made this observation many times on LP and when I first read about it I spent several years experimenting with your orginial description and, later on, several variations of it.  I found nothing with any degree of continuity; nothing I could "hang my hat on".  The resulting number of combinations was just too large to be of practical use.

              One variation I had divided the pools into 12 groups with vowels and consonants.  I used 12 because that would reduce the number of combinations to a playable level and I use vowels and consonants in the simplistic hope a word  ( or two or three ) would appear.  Foolish me!

              In back testing I found that the wager ( using the parameters of the winning combination ) reduced the pool to 45 combinations on some ocassions and 800 combination on other ocassions.  The "trick " then became knowing which parameters would hit.  I was not able to discern a profitable method of doing that.

              Today I am concentrating on odd/even sums and only odd/even sums.  I give odd sums a zero and even sums a 1.  After many months of trying various and asundry assumptions, I have not found an algorithym which would predict the next result with any degree of regularity.  I have made successful predictions on ocassion  but even a politician could do that when there aren't but two possible outcomes.

              Maybe I need a better way of defining patterns, any suggestions?  I believe you have found the right path.  We do need a better definition of patterns and hopefully a better way of predicting the future will open up to us. 

              I wish I could thnk of some other defintion that would fullfil our wishes but I can not.  Should I think of something, I will start a new thread outlining my description.

              Good Luck on all your future endeavors.

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                Posted: August 7, 2009, 12:31 pm - IP Logged

                RJOH

                You have made this observation many times on LP and when I first read about it I spent several years experimenting with your orginial description and, later on, several variations of it.  I found nothing with any degree of continuity; nothing I could "hang my hat on".  The resulting number of combinations was just too large to be of practical use.

                One variation I had divided the pools into 12 groups with vowels and consonants.  I used 12 because that would reduce the number of combinations to a playable level and I use vowels and consonants in the simplistic hope a word  ( or two or three ) would appear.  Foolish me!

                In back testing I found that the wager ( using the parameters of the winning combination ) reduced the pool to 45 combinations on some ocassions and 800 combination on other ocassions.  The "trick " then became knowing which parameters would hit.  I was not able to discern a profitable method of doing that.

                Today I am concentrating on odd/even sums and only odd/even sums.  I give odd sums a zero and even sums a 1.  After many months of trying various and asundry assumptions, I have not found an algorithym which would predict the next result with any degree of regularity.  I have made successful predictions on ocassion  but even a politician could do that when there aren't but two possible outcomes.

                Maybe I need a better way of defining patterns, any suggestions?  I believe you have found the right path.  We do need a better definition of patterns and hopefully a better way of predicting the future will open up to us. 

                I wish I could thnk of some other defintion that would fullfil our wishes but I can not.  Should I think of something, I will start a new thread outlining my description.

                Good Luck on all your future endeavors.

                If I could convince myself of the obvious:

                 1. I would be lucky to win a lottery jackpot once in a lifetime.
                 2. I don't play enough combinations to match the overall odds of getting a win.

                then it might be easier for me to play using a smaller number pool and expect to win only when a narrowly defined condition exists.  For example I defined MM patterns as such using the lettering system I mentioned in my earlier post.

                #2   THERE WERE 6 DIFFERENT DEFINITIONS IN THE 430 COMBINATIONS.

                A = 1-28  B = 29-56

                   1. AABBB =145          33% cover     
                   2. AAABB =138          32%       
                   3. ABBBB = 65          15% 

                #4  THERE WERE 47 DIFFERENT DEFINITIONS IN THE 430 COMBINATIONS

                A = 1-14   B = 15-28   C = 29-42   D = 43-56

                   1. AABCD = 35           8%         
                   2. ABBCD = 30           6%       
                   3. ABCDD = 29           6%       
                   4. ABCCD = 23           5%       
                   5. BCCDD = 17           3%       

                #3  THERE WERE 19 DIFFERENT DEFINITIONS IN THE 430 COMBINATIONS

                A = 1-19   B = 20-38   C = 39-56
                 
                   1. ABBCC = 64          14%       
                   2. AABBC = 61          14%       
                   3. AABCC = 53          12%       
                   4. ABCCC = 39           9%     

                Tuesday MM numbers were  01 28 34 42 50 +27  with the distribution patterns of #2-1, #4-4, and #3-1 all top patterns. That particular combinations of patterns had happened 7 times in the past 430 drawings.  If I only played to win when the number distribution patterns were #2=1-2, #4=1-9, and #3=1-2, I would be in the ball park 35% of the time with fewer combinations.  Today I may give that a try with 20 lines and a pool of 42 numbers and see what happens.

                 * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                   
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                  RJOh

                  Are you using these break downs with an RNG or files of the entire amount of combination that fit your restrictions?

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                    I don't know if it's outside the box or not,

                      but if you haven't seen a repeat in about 2 or 3 draws,  you can probably start expecting one

                                     for tn.  pick 5 for fun.    like copper-2  cash 3      (repeat city).

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                      I don't know if it's outside the box or not,

                        but if you haven't seen a repeat in about 2 or 3 draws,  you can probably start expecting one

                                       for tn.  pick 5 for fun.    like copper-2  cash 3      (repeat city).

                      Repeats is a good pattern to study.  I will add that to my odd/even sum pattern and see what I can see.

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                        RJOh

                        Are you using these break downs with an RNG or files of the entire amount of combination that fit your restrictions?

                        Hawk

                        I'm creating and rejecting combinations with a RNG as needed.  Creating a file with all the combinations would take a lot of time and space even thought a 5/56 file with less than 4M combinations might seem small when compared to a 6/49 file of 14M combinations that covers the combinations in the local state game.

                        The percentages that I used applied to the last 430 MM drawings which should be a representative sample of all 3,819,816 combinations.

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                          Posted: August 11, 2009, 2:24 pm - IP Logged

                          Looks like "Thinking out side the box" is done.  Time to get back to what we know best.  We may not win a lottery jackpot but we already know that. Wink

                           * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                             
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