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If you were the decision maker of the Salvation Army, would you accept a 10 million dollar donation?

Yes [ 34 ]  [79.07%]
No [ 6 ]  [13.95%]
Maybe [ 3 ]  [6.98%]
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Posted: November 24, 2009, 12:46 am - IP Logged

A few years ago, the Salvation army declined a donation from a person who won the lottery. 10 million dollar's worth.

 

The poll is asking whether you would accept the donation if you were the head person in charge.

 

If you chose "NO" and agree with the Army's decision, please explain why.

 

Thanx.

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    Posted: November 24, 2009, 7:06 am - IP Logged

    Well, when I win my millions, I will give to somebody else!

    MarkP

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      Posted: November 24, 2009, 7:24 am - IP Logged

      I do not know the inner workings of the Salvation Army...yearly revenues, major contributors, and alliances.  I know them as shopping mall bell ringers and second hand item collectors....I think the answer is not as simple as yes and no....A 10 million dollar donation from a lottery winner that wants no fan fair and publicity is different from one who wants to shout it to the stars....You might lose more than you gain with the latter.  

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        Sure I would, why not?  Did the Salvation Army give reason to their refusal?  I must have missed that one.   I have wondered if my church would refuse a donation WHEN I win.   But even though I love my church, if they did refuse it, there are alot of local women and animal shelter that I bet wouldnt.

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          Posted: November 24, 2009, 8:07 am - IP Logged

          A few years ago, the Salvation army declined a donation from a person who won the lottery. 10 million dollar's worth.

           

          The poll is asking whether you would accept the donation if you were the head person in charge.

           

          If you chose "NO" and agree with the Army's decision, please explain why.

           

          Thanx.

          http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/813295/posts

           

          "The money that Mr. Rush received was via the lottery: We preach against gambling," said spokeswoman Maribeth Shanahan, who spoke on behalf of Cleo Damon, who heads the Collier County chapter and decided not to accept the donation. "To accept it would be to talk out both sides of our mouth."

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            Posted: November 24, 2009, 10:29 am - IP Logged

            Roll Eyes having spent the couple of years working at thar thrift stores... I know for a fact I wouldn't put it past them to talk out both sides and invent a 3rd just for the grins of it

             

            course I've seen what became of the few food donations 

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              Posted: November 24, 2009, 10:36 am - IP Logged

              A few years ago, the Salvation army declined a donation from a person who won the lottery. 10 million dollar's worth.

               

              The poll is asking whether you would accept the donation if you were the head person in charge.

               

              If you chose "NO" and agree with the Army's decision, please explain why.

               

              Thanx.

              They said NO: Because they Talk-the-Talk and they Walk-the-Walk:

              The Salvation Army takes a stand against gambling that involves the act of risking money, property or something of value on an activity that gives material advantage based on chance and at the expense of others. The Salvation Army opposes gambling on spiritual and moral grounds and because of its tragic social implications.

              The Salvation Army is deeply concerned that gambling, used by governments and organizations to raise revenues, has become an accepted aspect of our daily lives. Gambling undermines the true spirit of charitable giving. The Salvation Army's experience confirms that there are those who disregard personal and family needs to indulge in gambling and may become addicted. Even in its simplest form gambling can lead to excess and undermine the personality and character of the individual. The Salvation Army therefore cautions governments and individuals of the inherent dangers of gambling.

              Salvation Army soldiers pledge to abstain from gambling, based on our belief that all our resources belong to God and that we depend on Him through faith and work. This position is supported by Scriptural teachings (Timothy 6:3-10; 17-19,  Thessalonians 3:6-13, Amos 6:1-6) concerning the responsibility to use money productively, to guard against greed, and not to gain at the expense of others.

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                Posted: November 24, 2009, 1:55 pm - IP Logged

                JAP69,

                Thanks for finding the article.

                hearsetrax,

                Thanks for the insight.

                Raven62,

                That all sounds good on paper, but how many people could have beneftited from the $10,000,000 they refused? That's a significant amounf of money.

                From your post quoting the SA

                "....concerning the responsibility to use money productively, to guard against greed, and not to gain at the expense of others."

                What about the downtrodden and those in need not benefitting because of the stubborness and pride of others, in theis case, the SA?

                Two street people:

                "What happened to that cold weather shelter they were going to build so we could sleep without getting frostbit?"

                "Somebody won the lottery and tried to give them the money for one but they refused it. I guess they'd rather we freeze."

                Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                Lep

                There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                  Posted: November 24, 2009, 1:56 pm - IP Logged

                  I admit at first glance i put maybe this was before i went to their web site and read a few things about the organization. As an officer i would have to stand beside the beliefs of the organization. And vote no but there are circumstances where by which i might want to put it to a vote.

                  Many things would require me as an officer to do this one being the organization is about to collapse because the monetary donations at some point in time might be so low as to require funding to keep the organization alive. If the organization were on the verge of collapse and all avenues of approach were taken to try and get outside funding failed.

                  Consolidation of property's owned or leased by the SA wouldn't put a dent in the budget.

                  If the lottery donation came as an anonymous donation the organization wouldn't be aware of said win and would probably accept the donation. The members of the organization allowed a one time donation from a lottery winner. In order to keep the organization from collapsing.

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                    Posted: November 24, 2009, 3:00 pm - IP Logged

                    They said NO: Because they Talk-the-Talk and they Walk-the-Walk:

                    The Salvation Army takes a stand against gambling that involves the act of risking money, property or something of value on an activity that gives material advantage based on chance and at the expense of others. The Salvation Army opposes gambling on spiritual and moral grounds and because of its tragic social implications.

                    The Salvation Army is deeply concerned that gambling, used by governments and organizations to raise revenues, has become an accepted aspect of our daily lives. Gambling undermines the true spirit of charitable giving. The Salvation Army's experience confirms that there are those who disregard personal and family needs to indulge in gambling and may become addicted. Even in its simplest form gambling can lead to excess and undermine the personality and character of the individual. The Salvation Army therefore cautions governments and individuals of the inherent dangers of gambling.

                    Salvation Army soldiers pledge to abstain from gambling, based on our belief that all our resources belong to God and that we depend on Him through faith and work. This position is supported by Scriptural teachings (Timothy 6:3-10; 17-19,  Thessalonians 3:6-13, Amos 6:1-6) concerning the responsibility to use money productively, to guard against greed, and not to gain at the expense of others.

                    The Salvation Army takes a stand against gambling that involves the act of risking money, property or something of value on an activity that gives material advantage based on chance and at the expense of others. The Salvation Army opposes gambling on spiritual and moral grounds and because of its tragic social implications.

                    Lottery revenue goes to schools. That's not such a bad thing.

                    Also, what if someone who made millions in the stock market and decided to donate? Isn't that gambling?

                     

                    Surely i can understand that some folks may put their priorities in the wrong place when gambling and become irresponsible with their monies, but those types of ill behavior can be found in all areas of life. To refuse money because the minority misuses their funds is not an acceptable reason. Like coin toss said, SA would let the homeless freeze than to accept money.

                     

                     

                    It's like saying I won't accept a car as a gift because there are people out there who drive drunk, therefore it's an evil contraption that entices folks to drive in a dangerous environment, potentially putting me at risk of an accident. So cars are EVIL....Rediculous.

                     

                    This is exactly what I meant in my first reply. The fanatical idealogies, inconsistencies, and hypocrisies of organized religion are baffling and sometimes cruel. And I also wrote that I did admire their effort to help the unfortunate. But this kind of behavior in my opinion is just plain dumb.

                     

                     

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                      JAP69,

                      Thanks for finding the article.

                      hearsetrax,

                      Thanks for the insight.

                      Raven62,

                      That all sounds good on paper, but how many people could have beneftited from the $10,000,000 they refused? That's a significant amounf of money.

                      From your post quoting the SA

                      "....concerning the responsibility to use money productively, to guard against greed, and not to gain at the expense of others."

                      What about the downtrodden and those in need not benefitting because of the stubborness and pride of others, in theis case, the SA?

                      Two street people:

                      "What happened to that cold weather shelter they were going to build so we could sleep without getting frostbit?"

                      "Somebody won the lottery and tried to give them the money for one but they refused it. I guess they'd rather we freeze."

                      If you don't agree with the Gambling Policy of the Salvation Army, then do something about it: Take some action: Become a Barrier Braker and change their Gambling Policies!

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                        I believe that God truly blesses Us in many different ways! some Blessings may not always be wrapped up with pretty paper and a bow tied on it... something made this person donate that wonderful amount of money to the SA  how do we know that God did not prompt this person to go to the SA and make that donation? I'm sure their are a whole lot of other agencies and charities that will gladly take his generous donation, the SA is as needy an organization as the rest, especially with our current economic problems (at my job the employees are always ask to make donations to their favorite charities (by the way, SA is one of the agencies we have dealt with) I feel bad for the hundreds of needy people that could have prospered from that gift.

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                          Posted: November 25, 2009, 11:02 pm - IP Logged

                          I give a lot to the SA, but in this case they are stupid idiots. Take the donation and help others. $10 million should delete any morals.

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                            I give a lot to the SA, but in this case they are stupid idiots. Take the donation and help others. $10 million should delete any morals.

                            This is a lottery forum and this is not the place for this, but it is related in a way to what you are talking about here.

                            If Satan himself does good, then he is doing the work of God, even if he is the Devil himself.

                            If a Divine being or any body else, does evil then he, she, or them are doing the work of Satan regardless of who he or she is.

                            If the Satan gives money to the Salvation Army, I say take it, it is not who gave it to you or to them, but what are you going to do with it that really counts.

                            Money of itself is not evil.

                            And money is not the root of all evil.

                            Satan, angels and humans turn things into evil things, even if those things are not evil of themselves.

                            Greed turns money into an evil thing, lust for power turns money and properties into evil things.

                            Gambling and lottery gambling are not evil things of themselves, but some people's motivations might be evil, some people might gamble mostly for fun, entertainment, as a past time, or whatever, gambling might not be an evil thing for everybody and some people might do it in the hope that they might have a little more money to buy food with and or for paying the bills and or money for helping themselves and others.

                            Some might do it for the love of money and of power that money might bring or for doing more evil with the money.

                            Maybe I went way too far, but what is done is done.

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                              under no circumstance will the salvation army knowingly accept money from a person or persons who won money from the lottery.

                              They are an Evangelical Christian group.

                              http://www.salvationarmyusa.org/usn/www_usn_2.nsf/vw-local/About-us

                               

                              Gambling

                              The Salvation Army believes that gambling engages its participants and promoters in an exercise of greed contrary to biblical moral teaching. Gambling at best wastes personal resources, and at worst afflicts millions through a lifestyle of compulsive behaviors and destructive influences. We believe gambling is wrong, regardless of any perceived benefit of entertainment, charity, or personal gain, even when its destructive influences may not be seen on an individual basis.

                              The Salvation Army prohibits gambling in its programs, properties, and fund-raising activities. Its officers and soldiers personally vow not to gamble. The Army urges all individuals and institutions to recognize the moral and social costs of gambling in the United States.

                              Official sanction and public acceptance of gambling is, in the opinion of The Salvation Army, contrary to the Christian principles to which we subscribe.

                              Note: The Columbia encyclopedia defines gambling as the "betting of money or valuables on, and often participation in, games of chance..." Some examples of gambling include casino games, state lotteries, and betting on sports.

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