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Posted: December 7, 2009, 11:02 pm - IP Logged

This is just hypothetical.  Say you find a lottery ticket on ground.  It was for that nights drawing and the next day you look at the numbers and you won.  What are your rights to that ticket(if nobody signed the ticket).  Is that ticket yours or do you have to return.  What are the rules and what would you do with the ticket ( not the right thing but what would you do personally).

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    Posted: December 7, 2009, 11:26 pm - IP Logged

    Its yours. Lottery tickets are bearers instruments. If there is no name, you can claim.

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      London,

      That's true, tickets are bearer indtruments, but there have been discussion here on LP kind of related to something like this. Especially the ones about clerks telling people they had losing tickets and the clerks tried to cash them, where it has come out that the lottery asks jackpt winners some questions and often they were on surveillance films.

      So on the scenario gobills presented in the OP, a couple of things could happen. A lot would depend on the person who bought the ticket coming forward or not. They may be the type who records their numbers, or they may be unaware there was a drawing.

      I would think all that considered, honestly would be the best policy. Turn it into the lottery, (assuming honeslt lottery officials) tell them you found it, and maybe they would tell you if no one else claimed it in a certain number of days it was yours. Otherwise, if they have it on surveillance, and you don't say you found it, you could be charged with fraud.

      This could turn into an interesting discussion, let's see what happens.

      Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

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        Posted: December 8, 2009, 12:10 am - IP Logged

        Its yours. Lottery tickets are bearers instruments. If there is no name, you can claim.

        That's not necessarily true. There was a news story posted here in July, where someone found a lottery ticket that turned out to be a winner and the couple who found the ticket were charged with fraud.

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          Yeah, I think its complete fradulent for a lottery retailer, to check someones tickets, find out they won and then tell them they lost and cash it for themsleves. Now thats just wrong on every moral level. But, if I am walkng down the street and saw a ticket, checked it and found out I won according to the writing thats on the back of every lottery ticket it would be mine if there was no name. When I was about 9 years old I was walking with my mom and picked up a scracth off, (that was already scratched) off the ground. It was a $50 winner someone overlooked it. Think we took it to the lottery office, uh no........lol. But yeah I know with ball lottery tickets it might can ge t a little iffy, but thats the impression I get when I read the back of lottery tickets, they make it a point that people should sign all their tickets and that they are bearer instruments.

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            Posted: December 8, 2009, 12:52 am - IP Logged

            I bet the chances of this happening are so slim like 1 in a Billion.  But how could somebody go to lottery office and say I lost a lottery ticket and have get that ticket back.  I would think the state would keep the money but that is just me.

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              Well of course I don't know the laws but I would think you would only be committing fraud if you signed something at the time that you claimed the ticket that said you purchased the ticket.  It would all depend on the wording of claim form that I was signing on whether I was committing fraud or not.  The PB tickets I buy have date/time store number, and I'm sure this information get stored in lottery database so in most cases if the store where ticket was purchased keeps an archive of surveillance tapes then lottery commission should be able to match ticket to rightful owner as long as they make a claim for it in a timely manner.

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                This is just hypothetical.  Say you find a lottery ticket on ground.  It was for that nights drawing and the next day you look at the numbers and you won.  What are your rights to that ticket(if nobody signed the ticket).  Is that ticket yours or do you have to return.  What are the rules and what would you do with the ticket ( not the right thing but what would you do personally).

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                  Yeah, I think its complete fradulent for a lottery retailer, to check someones tickets, find out they won and then tell them they lost and cash it for themsleves. Now thats just wrong on every moral level. But, if I am walkng down the street and saw a ticket, checked it and found out I won according to the writing thats on the back of every lottery ticket it would be mine if there was no name. When I was about 9 years old I was walking with my mom and picked up a scracth off, (that was already scratched) off the ground. It was a $50 winner someone overlooked it. Think we took it to the lottery office, uh no........lol. But yeah I know with ball lottery tickets it might can ge t a little iffy, but thats the impression I get when I read the back of lottery tickets, they make it a point that people should sign all their tickets and that they are bearer instruments.

                  You've misunderstood the meaning of the stuff that's written on the back of the ticket because you don't understand what a bearer instrument is. Lottery tickets are personal property, just like many other things for which ownership isn't registered (ever hear of cash?), and the owner doesn't lose their ownership interest simply because they lose or misplace the property they own.

                  "I would think you would only be committing fraud if you signedsomething at the time that you claimed the ticket that said youpurchased the ticket."

                  That's may be  true, but if you claim a big prize you'll need to fill out and sign a claim form. By signing the form you'll be swearing an oath that you're the rightful owner of the ticket. That means you'll be committing perjury as well as fraud. Since the law requires you to make a reasonable effort to find the rightful owner of found property it's possible that you could be charged with fraud even for claiming a small prize at the local store.

                  "how could somebody go to lottery office and say I lost a lottery ticketand have get that ticket back.  I would think the state would keep themoney but that is just me."

                  In some cases it would be difficult or impossible to prove ownership. Consider an unscratched scratcher or QP that isn't claimed until long after any security tapes at the place of purchase have been erased. OTOH, there are any number of ways that ownership might be proved. The lottery knows about every ticket issued, including where it was sold (or at least the retailer it was delivered to). The owner might have other tickets purchased at the same time, or might know what non-winning numbers were also on the ticket. There may be security video of the winner buying the ticket. Even with scratchers the approximate time of sale can often be determined. If nothing else, somebody claiming a ticket  fraudulently might have to explain how the owner's DNA got on the ticket. At any rate, if a winning ticket is claimed the lottery will (eventually) pay the money to somebody. In some cases winners can even collect if the ticket never turns up.

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                    Posted: December 8, 2009, 10:41 am - IP Logged

                    This is just hypothetical.  Say you find a lottery ticket on ground.  It was for that nights drawing and the next day you look at the numbers and you won.  What are your rights to that ticket(if nobody signed the ticket).  Is that ticket yours or do you have to return.  What are the rules and what would you do with the ticket ( not the right thing but what would you do personally).

                    If you were the person that lost the Winning Ticket: What would you want the Finder of said Lost Ticket to do: Cash it in for themselves or Return the Lost Ticket to You?

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                      Posted: December 8, 2009, 11:19 am - IP Logged

                      You've misunderstood the meaning of the stuff that's written on the back of the ticket because you don't understand what a bearer instrument is. Lottery tickets are personal property, just like many other things for which ownership isn't registered (ever hear of cash?), and the owner doesn't lose their ownership interest simply because they lose or misplace the property they own.

                      "I would think you would only be committing fraud if you signedsomething at the time that you claimed the ticket that said youpurchased the ticket."

                      That's may be  true, but if you claim a big prize you'll need to fill out and sign a claim form. By signing the form you'll be swearing an oath that you're the rightful owner of the ticket. That means you'll be committing perjury as well as fraud. Since the law requires you to make a reasonable effort to find the rightful owner of found property it's possible that you could be charged with fraud even for claiming a small prize at the local store.

                      "how could somebody go to lottery office and say I lost a lottery ticketand have get that ticket back.  I would think the state would keep themoney but that is just me."

                      In some cases it would be difficult or impossible to prove ownership. Consider an unscratched scratcher or QP that isn't claimed until long after any security tapes at the place of purchase have been erased. OTOH, there are any number of ways that ownership might be proved. The lottery knows about every ticket issued, including where it was sold (or at least the retailer it was delivered to). The owner might have other tickets purchased at the same time, or might know what non-winning numbers were also on the ticket. There may be security video of the winner buying the ticket. Even with scratchers the approximate time of sale can often be determined. If nothing else, somebody claiming a ticket  fraudulently might have to explain how the owner's DNA got on the ticket. At any rate, if a winning ticket is claimed the lottery will (eventually) pay the money to somebody. In some cases winners can even collect if the ticket never turns up.

                      Oh......well if thats the case, I guess I won't be picking up any lost lottery tickets, because I definetely would not want to get caught up in fraud. If I see a overlooked 1 or 10 dollar win. I'll just drop it back down and keep going.

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                        Oh......well if thats the case, I guess I won't be picking up any lost lottery tickets, because I definetely would not want to get caught up in fraud. If I see a overlooked 1 or 10 dollar win. I'll just drop it back down and keep going.

                        London,

                        Your situation in the OP implies a jackpot winmner. The lottery isn't going to investigate a $1 or $10 win.

                        Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

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                          This is just hypothetical.  Say you find a lottery ticket on ground.  It was for that nights drawing and the next day you look at the numbers and you won.  What are your rights to that ticket(if nobody signed the ticket).  Is that ticket yours or do you have to return.  What are the rules and what would you do with the ticket ( not the right thing but what would you do personally).

                          Your options will depend on where you are. Each state in the USA has its own rules. UK, Australia, Canada - likewise.

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                            That's not necessarily true. There was a news story posted here in July, where someone found a lottery ticket that turned out to be a winner and the couple who found the ticket were charged with fraud.

                            Recently I saw a lottery ticket on the ground and I had the feeling it may have been lost. After reading the news story here LOL I decided it wasn't worth the trouble so I just kept walking.

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                              Posted: December 8, 2009, 9:22 pm - IP Logged

                              I noticed recently that the tickets I buy have the date and time of purchase printed on them. This is fairly new in Texas, and my guess is it could be a reaction to the clerk in Grand Prairie stealing the winning MM ticket a while back. So, if you find a ticket on the ground, they can trace it to the store and exactly what time it was purchased. Then just match it with the time and picture on the security camera. For someone like me who buys their tickets at the same store every day, and where the store owners know me, it would be a little harder for someone to claim it.

                              OTOH, I can be pretty sure no one is going to find one of my tickets on the ground. When I buy my tics, I put them into my lottery playslip holder, and it's the only thing in my hand as I leave the store.