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rdgrnr's avatar - walt
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Posted: December 8, 2009, 11:09 pm - IP Logged

If I have to tell the lottery people where and when I bought a winning ticket I could be in trouble. I step out quite a bit and I'll stop here and there on occasion and buy a lottery ticket in other states. How'm I supposed to remember where I bought em'? 

Sometimes I even buy them in them northern states and you know them dadgum yankees are gonna give me a hard time. We wadn't too nice to em' when they came a traipsin' through these here mountains durin' the war if ya know what I mean, heh, heh, heh, heh, heh.  Dadgum yankees.


                                             
                     
                                         

 

 

 

 

                                                                                                   

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    I noticed recently that the tickets I buy have the date and time of purchase printed on them. This is fairly new in Texas, and my guess is it could be a reaction to the clerk in Grand Prairie stealing the winning MM ticket a while back. So, if you find a ticket on the ground, they can trace it to the store and exactly what time it was purchased. Then just match it with the time and picture on the security camera. For someone like me who buys their tickets at the same store every day, and where the store owners know me, it would be a little harder for someone to claim it.

    OTOH, I can be pretty sure no one is going to find one of my tickets on the ground. When I buy my tics, I put them into my lottery playslip holder, and it's the only thing in my hand as I leave the store.

    Each retail location also gets a unique number.

    Since you always buy from the same store, you may notice one of the numbers in a corner of all your tickets remains the same.

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      Posted: December 9, 2009, 1:36 am - IP Logged

      I noticed recently that the tickets I buy have the date and time of purchase printed on them. This is fairly new in Texas, and my guess is it could be a reaction to the clerk in Grand Prairie stealing the winning MM ticket a while back. So, if you find a ticket on the ground, they can trace it to the store and exactly what time it was purchased. Then just match it with the time and picture on the security camera. For someone like me who buys their tickets at the same store every day, and where the store owners know me, it would be a little harder for someone to claim it.

      OTOH, I can be pretty sure no one is going to find one of my tickets on the ground. When I buy my tics, I put them into my lottery playslip holder, and it's the only thing in my hand as I leave the store.

      They just started doing that in your state? That's weird. I thought it was common practice for them to stamp the ticket with the time and date of when the ticket was purchased. They've been doing that for a long time in my state. I don't think I can even remember a time where I didn't see a time stamp on my tickets

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        They just started doing that in your state? That's weird. I thought it was common practice for them to stamp the ticket with the time and date of when the ticket was purchased. They've been doing that for a long time in my state. I don't think I can even remember a time where I didn't see a time stamp on my tickets

        I'm pretty sure the terminals were programed to print the time and date of purchase when each state lottery went online. In Ohio the race tracks used computers before the lottery started and sometimes the terminals didn't shut down on time making it possible to make a bet after the race started. One time at Thistledown near Cleveland, the terminals were still printing tickets for that race after the race was over.

        With the lottery and televised drawings, if the terminals didn't stop printing tickets until after the results were known, the lottery could lose thousands if not millions of dollars from past posting in less than a minute. Printing the time and date of purchase on the ticket wouldn't stop past posting if the terminals had a glitch, but the lottery wouldn't have to cash tickets printed after the normal shut off time and certainly not those printed after drawing time.

        It's possible in some states the time and date of purchase isn't easy to see on the ticket, but I'll bet it's there some place.

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          Posted: December 9, 2009, 8:36 am - IP Logged

          I just checked a couple tickets I bought in Nov. One was purchased on Nov 9, and only the date is printed along with the draw number and the amount of the tic. It's printed right in the middle of the tic.

          The tics I bought on Monday have the same thing, but they also have the date and time printed at the top of the ticket right below the game it is for. They started doing this sometime in Nov, because I checked a tic bought on Nov 30 and it has the new date and time printed on it. I didn't bother going thru all my old tics to figure out exactly when, 'cause I don't care that much. LOL.

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            Incidents like the one being described in Texas in this thread are the reason when a state gets a lottery they should srtaff the commission with lottery people, not "good ole boys" who have connections and no experience.

            The Delaware short-lived legalized sports betting in the 1980s comes to mind. They actually had office people making up pintspreads instead of seeing what the real ones were. Word got out that they had false favorites in games and people from Vegas flew to Delaware and clobbered them.

            Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

            Lep

            There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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              Posted: December 9, 2009, 1:55 pm - IP Logged

              Pick it up, put it through a shredder twice, and then spread out all the little pieces in the recycling container at the county recycling center. It would do me no good, whoever lost it expects the whole amount back. Wouldn't give me a dime if I turned it in, I know. If it was me who lost the ticket and someone found it and did the right thing, they would expect me to give a big portion of it to them but if it were them they would give me nothing.

              And by destroying the ticket, I would save all other mortals from possible future big headaches.


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                You've misunderstood the meaning of the stuff that's written on the back of the ticket because you don't understand what a bearer instrument is. Lottery tickets are personal property, just like many other things for which ownership isn't registered (ever hear of cash?), and the owner doesn't lose their ownership interest simply because they lose or misplace the property they own.

                "I would think you would only be committing fraud if you signedsomething at the time that you claimed the ticket that said youpurchased the ticket."

                That's may be  true, but if you claim a big prize you'll need to fill out and sign a claim form. By signing the form you'll be swearing an oath that you're the rightful owner of the ticket. That means you'll be committing perjury as well as fraud. Since the law requires you to make a reasonable effort to find the rightful owner of found property it's possible that you could be charged with fraud even for claiming a small prize at the local store.

                "how could somebody go to lottery office and say I lost a lottery ticketand have get that ticket back.  I would think the state would keep themoney but that is just me."

                In some cases it would be difficult or impossible to prove ownership. Consider an unscratched scratcher or QP that isn't claimed until long after any security tapes at the place of purchase have been erased. OTOH, there are any number of ways that ownership might be proved. The lottery knows about every ticket issued, including where it was sold (or at least the retailer it was delivered to). The owner might have other tickets purchased at the same time, or might know what non-winning numbers were also on the ticket. There may be security video of the winner buying the ticket. Even with scratchers the approximate time of sale can often be determined. If nothing else, somebody claiming a ticket  fraudulently might have to explain how the owner's DNA got on the ticket. At any rate, if a winning ticket is claimed the lottery will (eventually) pay the money to somebody. In some cases winners can even collect if the ticket never turns up.

                and the owner doesn't lose their ownership interest simply because they lose or misplace the property they own.

                 

                I beg to differ. That's the whole purpose of a bearer instrument. Whoever physically holds that document owns it.

                 

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                  "Whoever physically holds that document owns it."

                  So if your ticket is stolen the thief becomes the lawful owner? If you drop it and somebody picks it before you can they become the lawful owner?


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                    "Whoever physically holds that document owns it."

                    So if your ticket is stolen the thief becomes the lawful owner? If you drop it and somebody picks it before you can they become the lawful owner?

                    Are you serious?

                     

                    I think the poster was referring to finding a ticket , not breaking into someone's house or going thru a lady's purse. That is stealing, and therefore the ticket is no longer a bearer instument, it's stolen property.

                     There are exceptions to just about every rule. Just like cash. If I find a 50 dollar bill on the ground, do you really expect me to ask everyone around the area if it's theirs? Of course they'll say yes it's theirs. On the other hand, If I see someone approach the area asking me If I saw a 50 dollar bill on the ground, I'd have to say yes because that's just plain wrong.

                    Sometimes you have to use common sense, and in this case I think you're digging at the bottom of the barrel.

                     

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                      joker17,

                      On one of The Lottery Changed My Life programs, or The curse of the Lotery, they showed the incident in California when a clerk pulled a switcheroo on a player.

                      That player joined LP and gave their side of the story. They posted a lot of information about such situations and about the lottery commission asking questions to see if the person claiming the jackpot, or scratcher prize, was the actual purchaser.

                      From your post above, if you find a $50 bill on the street, do you think you'll be on a surveillance camera? You may or may not be, but that $50 will always be $50 and not a potential jackpot or five or six figure scratcher prize.

                      "Finders keepers" doesn't always apply in gambling.

                      Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                      Lep

                      There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                        This is just hypothetical.  Say you find a lottery ticket on ground.  It was for that nights drawing and the next day you look at the numbers and you won.  What are your rights to that ticket(if nobody signed the ticket).  Is that ticket yours or do you have to return.  What are the rules and what would you do with the ticket ( not the right thing but what would you do personally).

                        Anything under $600.00 use common sense like Joker said.

                        IMHO
                        If it is to be claimed at a claims center tell them it is a found ticket and you claim it as found as you did not see who dropped it. They should treat the ticket the same as a lost and found item. The loser of the ticket will need to prove ownership.

                        I was at the lottery retailer just recently and found an item on the floor in front of the register counter. There was no other customers there so I gave it to the cashier at the counter in case someone came back to claim it. What was it? A bag of weed. I sure as haedies did not want it.Big Grin 

                        Lets all write our state lottery and ask them.

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                          joker17,

                          On one of The Lottery Changed My Life programs, or The curse of the Lotery, they showed the incident in California when a clerk pulled a switcheroo on a player.

                          That player joined LP and gave their side of the story. They posted a lot of information about such situations and about the lottery commission asking questions to see if the person claiming the jackpot, or scratcher prize, was the actual purchaser.

                          From your post above, if you find a $50 bill on the street, do you think you'll be on a surveillance camera? You may or may not be, but that $50 will always be $50 and not a potential jackpot or five or six figure scratcher prize.

                          "Finders keepers" doesn't always apply in gambling.

                          You make a great point. But in all seriousness, this scenerio presented here doesn't happen but maybe once every 10 years or so. Hypothetical situations such as this are so rare that you're only reading about the one ore two incidents in many year's time.

                          It's hard enough having the 6 winning numbers much less finding one on the streets....lol

                          Nevertheless, it'd be very tempting to try to cash it regardless of the risks involved. Based on the stats I've investigated, it's apparently very difficult, in most cases, to prove to a court the ticket in possession belongs to another. After all, possession is 9/10th of the law.

                           

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                            Anything under $600.00 use common sense like Joker said.

                            IMHO
                            If it is to be claimed at a claims center tell them it is a found ticket and you claim it as found as you did not see who dropped it. They should treat the ticket the same as a lost and found item. The loser of the ticket will need to prove ownership.

                            I was at the lottery retailer just recently and found an item on the floor in front of the register counter. There was no other customers there so I gave it to the cashier at the counter in case someone came back to claim it. What was it? A bag of weed. I sure as haedies did not want it.Big Grin 

                            Lets all write our state lottery and ask them.

                            This is what I pulled from my states site.

                            Q: What happens if I lose a winning ticket?
                            A: SCEL is not responsible for lost or stolen tickets. If you lose a ticket, it is like losing cash and cannot be replaced. To protect yourself against theft, always SIGN YOUR WINNING TICKET as soon as you realize the ticket is a winner. Also, if you are not cashing the ticket immediately, fill out the entire ticket back. This may increase your chances of having a lost ticket returned to you.

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                              Are you serious?

                               

                              I think the poster was referring to finding a ticket , not breaking into someone's house or going thru a lady's purse. That is stealing, and therefore the ticket is no longer a bearer instument, it's stolen property.

                               There are exceptions to just about every rule. Just like cash. If I find a 50 dollar bill on the ground, do you really expect me to ask everyone around the area if it's theirs? Of course they'll say yes it's theirs. On the other hand, If I see someone approach the area asking me If I saw a 50 dollar bill on the ground, I'd have to say yes because that's just plain wrong.

                              Sometimes you have to use common sense, and in this case I think you're digging at the bottom of the barrel.

                               

                              Of course I'm serious. It's an exercise in logic, and if you had any inclination to actually think about the matter, maybe you wouldn't have to ask.  

                              "That is stealing, and therefore the ticket is no longer a bearer instument"

                              Where do you come up with these ideas? If something is a bearer instrument it will always be a bearer instrument unless you sign your name to it.  I'll assume you think that if somebody steals a ticket they don't own it, so how does that fit with your blanket statement  that "Whoever physically holds that document owns it."?