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Michigan Daily games appear to be rigged

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RJOh's avatar - chipmunk
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Posted: February 22, 2010, 4:12 pm - IP Logged

My guess is drprsi believes he was given the number by some lottery staffer just as they were drawing the number but hadn't cut off sales yet. In the control room they conduct pre draws and the official drawing but how do people know it's not taped and then aired later as the official drawing.

The trouble with that kind of cheating is it can't be controlled and every body that knows about it wants a share.  When Indiana caught the security guard who told his buddies about where the roll of scratch off with the big payout could be bought the problem was there wasn't enough for him and his buddies and some one complained.   When people cheat like that, they want more than a few thousands dollars which might go unnoticed, they want millions.

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    Posted: February 22, 2010, 4:19 pm - IP Logged

    My guess is drprsi believes he was given the number by some lottery staffer just as they were drawing the number but hadn't cut off sales yet. In the control room they conduct pre draws and the official drawing but how do people know it's not taped and then aired later as the official drawing.

    Yeah....I believe that is very possible. One of the times I viewed the daily draw they ran a dummy draw about 7:10....taped it just like the real draw at 7:27. They did not give me a very logical reason for the extra real looking taped draw. Now that day they ran the dummy draw at 7:10.....whats to stop them from doing a dummy draw say at 6:40.....and then shooting that tape in at 7:27. I mean anything is possibe when it comes to money and if they have the confidence that nobody is watching. That confidence can be built up with months and years of no oversight and the upside potential of making tens of thousands of dollars without detection. That can become atractive to a small group of people who control the draws.

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      Posted: February 22, 2010, 4:42 pm - IP Logged

      The trouble with that kind of cheating is it can't be controlled and every body that knows about it wants a share.  When Indiana caught the security guard who told his buddies about where the roll of scratch off with the big payout could be bought the problem was there wasn't enough for him and his buddies and some one complained.   When people cheat like that, they want more than a few thousands dollars which might go unnoticed, they want millions.

      While your senario can be true it still doesn't disprove what appears to have happen. You bring up a great point that if they are taking big chunks of money it would expose them. The answer is that after or before a big take out they have to make sure that the payouts are low......which appears to happen. It seems that the days following these super 4 digit hits you will notice a string of days....maybe up to a month at a time that nobody...zero hits about 2 to 4 times over that period......or maybe only 1, 2 or 3 hits all accross state with millions of players. It only componds the seriousness of the possible crime here. It wouldn't be so bad if a couple of times they steal a draw or two.....but to "replace" what they took they have to minipulate the draws so that they balance off what they ripped. Meaning we're what they call "drawing dead"....we have no chance to hit while the books are being balanced. They are putting into play numbers that won't pay out much for awhile.

      Also there was a strong rumor that the state was thinking about selling the games to a private company........maybe they know that their sitting on a timebomb.

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        I have uncovered yet another very suspect daily 4 lottery purchase this time  from 2006. The clerk who sold the evening 4 four digits told me that the customer called him with not much time left and begged him to purchase $400.00 worth of straight up tickets on numbers that ended up winning. 400 straight and no other numbers bet....just the winning number about a half hour before the draw. And over 500 other tickets were sold that day as well. This is a simular pattern to several other amazing hits in Michigan. Just before draw some people are getting great hunches. 400 dollars bet on a 10,000 to 1 shot.....and no other combo bet by this person is hard to believe. Also the other 500 some other winners sold on the same number this same day is strange as well considering the average hit ratio for most days with the 4 digit is about 10 to 15 per day. So people calling at the last minute to bet these very large amounts is a huge foot print of a possible crime here.

        I have posted before about the research I have done that indicates at least in Michigan the way the games are run leaves it open to believe there is problem with the integrity of the games.

        IF that happened...what a stupid move.  $2,000,000 won in pick 4 tickets from a single source, would never go unoticed.  Surely the "lottery" is not involved.  One person with inside info, maybe.  But that would be among the stupidest choices.  Every ticket has to be cashed at the Lottery office and taxes withheld. Not only would it be noticed for the $2,000,000 in winnings but also for the amount of income tax and the fact that nobody ever buys 400 tickets of one number.

        Sorry, I just don't believe it to be true.  There might be cheating but I cannot believe someone that would have access to the numbers ahead of time could be so stupid.  You are being lied to.

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          IF that happened...what a stupid move.  $2,000,000 won in pick 4 tickets from a single source, would never go unoticed.  Surely the "lottery" is not involved.  One person with inside info, maybe.  But that would be among the stupidest choices.  Every ticket has to be cashed at the Lottery office and taxes withheld. Not only would it be noticed for the $2,000,000 in winnings but also for the amount of income tax and the fact that nobody ever buys 400 tickets of one number.

          Sorry, I just don't believe it to be true.  There might be cheating but I cannot believe someone that would have access to the numbers ahead of time could be so stupid.  You are being lied to.

          It happened........your only proof of why you say it didn't happen is that you don't believe me.......you say I'm lying......or you can't get your mind around it.   Wow what great research. I personally talked to the clerk that sold the tickets. The very first thing I do when I get these type of info is to see if in fact 400 tickets were sold that day.......well over 900 were sold that day. FYI the normal number of winning straight up tickets for most days is about 6 to 10. As far as the IRS of course they have to be claimed but A)...the IRS gets big lottery claims all the time.....it's ther job to collect the money not ivestigate how it was won. They would assume it was a lucky hit. Besides it is very unlikey the person turned in the whole 400 tickets in his or her name. It could have been spread around with friends or family which is common with muitiple 4 didgits. As far as the commission investigating big hits......I have questioned them before on big hits that I became aware of and I had people from their security team tell me like "hey this happens all the time"   and believe me it was with an attitute....what are you bothering us for .....but for sure it was an attitude of protecting the commission. They would NEVER...EVER be part of exposing possible inside corruption.....never. Your whole senario by the way is based on that people on the inside would not be involved. My research of how it happened and the location of where it happened sugusts that people on the inside HAD to be involved

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            IF that happened...what a stupid move.  $2,000,000 won in pick 4 tickets from a single source, would never go unoticed.  Surely the "lottery" is not involved.  One person with inside info, maybe.  But that would be among the stupidest choices.  Every ticket has to be cashed at the Lottery office and taxes withheld. Not only would it be noticed for the $2,000,000 in winnings but also for the amount of income tax and the fact that nobody ever buys 400 tickets of one number.

            Sorry, I just don't believe it to be true.  There might be cheating but I cannot believe someone that would have access to the numbers ahead of time could be so stupid.  You are being lied to.

            It happened.....for sure.......so I guess your saying that IF the 400 phone purchases....and the 550 other purchases that day looks suspect ?

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              I have personaly talked to an active U.S. Senator about the lack of government oversight in state lottery games. They are neglect in this area because lets not forget Uncle Sam collects billions of dollars evrey year from lottery winners.....billions......yet they do nothing as far as oversight or mandating anything that would help insure the integrity of the games that trillions of public dollars in. Our hard earned dollars going into a very unsecure systems of balls that float sometimes and sometimes they don't float so good.....or systems of computors pulling numbers out of thin air. The U.S Senator aggeed it was a short comming of federal government responsibilities.

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                It happened........your only proof of why you say it didn't happen is that you don't believe me.......you say I'm lying....

                Let me clarify one thing.  I said you were lied to.  Not that you were lying.

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                  Elections are coming lets get something on the ballot...lets start with true drawings .lets stop the computors.....and if there a store accepting credit cards for lotto turn them in its illegal"

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                    Elections are coming lets get something on the ballot...lets start with true drawings .lets stop the computors.....and if there a store accepting credit cards for lotto turn them in its illegal"

                    Well I'm 1000 % in favor in taking these draws out of the backrooms and eliminating the floating ball systems and the computer systems for sure. They should be draw in public with manual machines and maybe even with public participation like lottery club members or retiree groups or church groups being selected to help with the draws. It could be made into a very fun thing held at various malls or other venues all over the state for weeks at a time with mobile t.v. feeds and it would increase sales with new public confidence in the games because of the very open  public process.

                    As far as the store clerk taking the phone order it's not the real concerning issue in about that 400 dollar 4 digit purchase.

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                      Well I'm 1000 % in favor in taking these draws out of the backrooms and eliminating the floating ball systems and the computer systems for sure. They should be draw in public with manual machines and maybe even with public participation like lottery club members or retiree groups or church groups being selected to help with the draws. It could be made into a very fun thing held at various malls or other venues all over the state for weeks at a time with mobile t.v. feeds and it would increase sales with new public confidence in the games because of the very open  public process.

                      As far as the store clerk taking the phone order it's not the real concerning issue in about that 400 dollar 4 digit purchase.

                      I like that idea.


                                                                   
                                           
                                                               

                       

                       

                       

                       

                                                                                                                         

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                        I agree why should the draw be held in a back room,unless the lottery it self has something to hide.I,m from Maine.I,ve been saying it for years that they rigged the pick three draw.Its always the same numbers comming out and the pay offs are nothing.I think they blackball certain numbers that I know are being played and going to cost them if it comes out.Integrity is their famous saying..

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                          I agree why should the draw be held in a back room,unless the lottery it self has something to hide.I,m from Maine.I,ve been saying it for years that they rigged the pick three draw.Its always the same numbers comming out and the pay offs are nothing.I think they blackball certain numbers that I know are being played and going to cost them if it comes out.Integrity is their famous saying..

                          Please my people! I have said this before and I am going to say it Again, The...Lottery...Is...A...Business....For...The State!!  They are not going to Lose Money!

                          They will not allow, Permit, cause to come out by whatever method...any number; that will force them to have to make a huge Payout, thus Drastically depleting their revenues!!!   They are not going to do it!!   Why do you think peole are still waiting for 3333 in New Jersey for 27 years!!!! They have to Collet to pay out!

                          I for one, am not been played..I am keenly aware of this reality,  and so I play accordingly.

                          When I see that they are playing a string of weird numbers that most people don't even buy; that's my cue.  and when they play the same numbers (repeating) three times, I know it is because they are collecting moneys, so they can bring out  the ones that we play, they will now permit A quad, a Triple a popular number; so they can pay us without them losing anything, and make us happy once again. End of Story!!

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                            Please my people! I have said this before and I am going to say it Again, The...Lottery...Is...A...Business....For...The State!!  They are not going to Lose Money!

                            They will not allow, Permit, cause to come out by whatever method...any number; that will force them to have to make a huge Payout, thus Drastically depleting their revenues!!!   They are not going to do it!!   Why do you think peole are still waiting for 3333 in New Jersey for 27 years!!!! They have to Collet to pay out!

                            I for one, am not been played..I am keenly aware of this reality,  and so I play accordingly.

                            When I see that they are playing a string of weird numbers that most people don't even buy; that's my cue.  and when they play the same numbers (repeating) three times, I know it is because they are collecting moneys, so they can bring out  the ones that we play, they will now permit A quad, a Triple a popular number; so they can pay us without them losing anything, and make us happy once again. End of Story!!

                            Once again, you've made it very plain here. Lotteries are, in fact, government run organizations and must abide by certain regulations...and they do. Yes, anything can happen and is possible but, one must examine all the commotion it would cause for "insiders" to set up fake draws for everyone to profit off of. Not only would money be claimed in suspicious amounts in a specific areas but, you'll always have that one person that simply doesn't agree on what's being done illegally.

                            It's sort of like when a jury is deliberating in a small room and you have that one person which, despite all that points to one's guilt (or innocence), they will go the opposite way. Well, the lottery is no different. It takes a "special" type of people to agree on money when it comes to something of this magnitude. I.E. someone will feel they're "entitled" to the biggest cut of it for this or that reason and the operation will be problematic.

                            As far as I know personally, there hasn't been any documented proof of such a thing. Can it happen? Yes. Without problems? No...ain't gonna happen, no way, no how. Greed is the reason.

                            There is this thing called GOVERNMENT COMPLIANCE which simply means that retailers must account for every dollar taken in regarding to lotto sales. If there is ANY SUSPICION WHATSOEVER, then their license can be revoked and that retailer will then lose money and/or be shut down totally. Why? BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT AIN'TGONNA LOSE ANY MONEY BEHIND NOBODY!

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                              My Point is,  the Lottery is a very lucrative business for each State. Whatever "Insiders" do or don't do; does not Alter the fact that the States are not going to permit any number to come out that is going to cause a drain on their Funds!!

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