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Posted: April 24, 2010, 12:04 pm - IP Logged

           Darn!! I have learned more just reading this thread about craps!! Now if there was only a casino closer than Tunica MS! Thats a good days drive from Atlanta, and i'm just NOT ready to lose a couple grand that bad!Cool

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               Darn!! I have learned more just reading this thread about craps!! Now if there was only a casino closer than Tunica MS! Thats a good days drive from Atlanta, and i'm just NOT ready to lose a couple grand that bad!Cool

    Yes, there are far too few casinos. At least 1 in every state would be sufficient.

    What is the casino they advertise in Atlanta? I think maybe they pointtowards new Orleans. And also the Charlotte NC one but it's worthless-- video machines and slots only. What a waste.

    Oh, And if u have an iPhone there is a great free craps app out. Not sure when it hit but it even has the dealer say the calls and is very accurate.

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      Todd,

      I think you men don't come bets..come bets go on the number and you can take odds, don't come bets go behind the number and you lay odds.

      I saw a lot of money won on those bets "in the middle" - the props. High pc for the house, yes, but whn they hit they hit. Parlayoing a Horn bet is one of the strongest bets on the table. It's uncanny how often the naturals all roll together.

      Everyone,

      This is what the house considers the hardest player to beat, pass line and full odds and two come bets in action and full odds. This player isn't going to make the score that they would on a hot roll had they made place bets, but playing like that takes the house edge way down so this type of player lasts longer.

      Second roll elevens seem to hit prety often, expecially after coming out on a hard ten.

      Wink

      Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

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      There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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        Todd,

        I think you men don't come bets..come bets go on the number and you can take odds, don't come bets go behind the number and you lay odds.

        I saw a lot of money won on those bets "in the middle" - the props. High pc for the house, yes, but whn they hit they hit. Parlayoing a Horn bet is one of the strongest bets on the table. It's uncanny how often the naturals all roll together.

        Everyone,

        This is what the house considers the hardest player to beat, pass line and full odds and two come bets in action and full odds. This player isn't going to make the score that they would on a hot roll had they made place bets, but playing like that takes the house edge way down so this type of player lasts longer.

        Second roll elevens seem to hit prety often, expecially after coming out on a hard ten.

        Wink

        I do mean come bets.  Playing the don't pass line allows you to place come bets on almost every roll.  Have you ever played the don't pass line?

        Come bets are placed before the dice is rolled, and they don't go on any number.  They are moved to a number after the number is set by the roller.  Then you can place odds behind the number.

        I know a thing or two about craps!

         

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                     Darn!! I have learned more just reading this thread about craps!! Now if there was only a casino closer than Tunica MS! Thats a good days drive from Atlanta, and i'm just NOT ready to lose a couple grand that bad!Cool

          There are a number of good casinos along the MS gulf coast -- just East of Biloxi.  Some of the hotels there are really nice, so you can make a few days of it (or a week), and you can hit a number of good casinos during your time there.  All the casinos allow a top odds bets of 10x on the craps tables, which is great.  (Maybe an even higher odds bets in recent years?  It's been a while.)

           

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            I do mean come bets.  Playing the don't pass line allows you to place come bets on almost every roll.  Have you ever played the don't pass line?

            Come bets are placed before the dice is rolled, and they don't go on any number.  They are moved to a number after the number is set by the roller.  Then you can place odds behind the number.

            I know a thing or two about craps!

            Todd,

            In your earlier post you mentionsed collecting the payoffs on a 7-out while eveybody else was losing their bets, and you said laying odds on the come bets. If you bet on the number and bet odds you are taking odds, not laying them.

            When you take odds you make a bet to get paid more than the bet depending on the nnumber, when you lay odds the payoff is less than the bet, depending on the number.

            "Behind" the number literally means behnd the number, don't come bets go behind the number, come bets go on the number.

            Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

            Lep

            There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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              Todd,

              In your earlier post you mentionsed collecting the payoffs on a 7-out while eveybody else was losing their bets, and you said laying odds on the come bets. If you bet on the number and bet odds you are taking odds, not laying them.

              When you take odds you make a bet to get paid more than the bet depending on the nnumber, when you lay odds the payoff is less than the bet, depending on the number.

              "Behind" the number literally means behnd the number, don't come bets go behind the number, come bets go on the number.

              If my language was not precise enough to understand, you have my apologies.  I think the intent was clear though.

               

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                If my language was not precise enough to understand, you have my apologies.  I think the intent was clear though.

                No problem, just different terminology.

                Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                Lep

                There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                  There are a number of good casinos along the MS gulf coast -- just East of Biloxi.  Some of the hotels there are really nice, so you can make a few days of it (or a week), and you can hit a number of good casinos during your time there.  All the casinos allow a top odds bets of 10x on the craps tables, which is great.  (Maybe an even higher odds bets in recent years?  It's been a while.)

                  Anyone know if the Biloxi/Gulfport casinos are offering firebets now?

                  I hit on the firebet 3 times in Tunica last year. It was great!

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                    "Firebet" got me curious. I'm a dinosaur from the 1980s and 90s and had never heard of it, so I did a search.

                    Found a very interesting site that belongs to a crap dealer in Vegas, called Nextshooter.com

                    Here's the info:

                    New craps "Fire Bet" emerging in Las Vegas

                    Perry Staci, a Las Vegas casino supervisor, has invented a new proposition bet for craps players that is already being promoted atHarrah's, the Sahara, and the Rio. Rumor has it that it will also soonbe on the layout at The Cannery on the North side of Vegas.

                    The bet is that the shooter will be able to make 4, 5 or 6 individual pointsafter a point is established. There are two different paytables, payingeither 25, 250, and 1,000 for one, respectively, or 10, 200, and 2,000for one. The betting limits are $1 minimum and $5 maximum, so a $5 betcould win either $5,000 or $10,000 depending on the paytable.

                    Passes or Craps rolls on the Come Out Roll do not count, nor doesmaking the same point more than once. Special pucks and a customized table layout are all part of Perry's new addition to the Proposition Box.

                    While having a shot at winning $10,000 on a craps table for a$5 bet is exciting, this bet is easily the worst one on the layout,with a house edge of 21 to 25%, depending on the paytable.

                    From the same site, here's the info on the regular prop bets:

                    The house edge on prop bets ranges between 11.1% and 16.67%. If your folly requires you to make prop bets then you should at leastfind a table layout with Downtown odds in order to reduce theridiculous House advantage, though even then it's still throwing moneyaway.

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                    I can see where hitting the firebet would be sweet, but I wouldn't put too much of your buy-in on it.

                    I can see some casinos not putting this in as it could lead to a lot of beefs.

                    Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                    Lep

                    There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                      Posted: April 27, 2010, 5:59 pm - IP Logged

                      Anyone know if the Biloxi/Gulfport casinos are offering firebets now?

                      I hit on the firebet 3 times in Tunica last year. It was great!

                      I'm not sure - you should contact them to see.

                      My favorite hangout when I was down there was the Casino Magic.  It was brand new when I was there.  I liked the rooms a lot -- especially when they comped them to me.  (The huge rooms with the hot tubs were the best.)

                      The Beau Rivage was under construction at the time, but word is that it's the best casino in the area right now.  I can't speak from experience though, since it was just steel columns when I last saw it.

                      Also check out the Grand Casino, which was very nice.

                       

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                        "Firebet" got me curious. I'm a dinosaur from the 1980s and 90s and had never heard of it, so I did a search.

                        Found a very interesting site that belongs to a crap dealer in Vegas, called Nextshooter.com

                        Here's the info:

                        New craps "Fire Bet" emerging in Las Vegas

                        Perry Staci, a Las Vegas casino supervisor, has invented a new proposition bet for craps players that is already being promoted atHarrah's, the Sahara, and the Rio. Rumor has it that it will also soonbe on the layout at The Cannery on the North side of Vegas.

                        The bet is that the shooter will be able to make 4, 5 or 6 individual pointsafter a point is established. There are two different paytables, payingeither 25, 250, and 1,000 for one, respectively, or 10, 200, and 2,000for one. The betting limits are $1 minimum and $5 maximum, so a $5 betcould win either $5,000 or $10,000 depending on the paytable.

                        Passes or Craps rolls on the Come Out Roll do not count, nor doesmaking the same point more than once. Special pucks and a customized table layout are all part of Perry's new addition to the Proposition Box.

                        While having a shot at winning $10,000 on a craps table for a$5 bet is exciting, this bet is easily the worst one on the layout,with a house edge of 21 to 25%, depending on the paytable.

                        From the same site, here's the info on the regular prop bets:

                        The house edge on prop bets ranges between 11.1% and 16.67%. If your folly requires you to make prop bets then you should at leastfind a table layout with Downtown odds in order to reduce theridiculous House advantage, though even then it's still throwing moneyaway.

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                        I can see where hitting the firebet would be sweet, but I wouldn't put too much of your buy-in on it.

                        I can see some casinos not putting this in as it could lead to a lot of beefs.

                        Yes, NextShooter is a terrific site and also where I learned of the firebet.

                        I played it at Harrah's and the HorseShoe in Tunica (both harrah's properties). I have heard that all Harrah's have the firebet now.

                        Obviously you want to only use it if a shooter is a good one. I reckon it was set up intentionally for dice setters/influencers. I love that casino embraces dice setters (more or less) instead of running them off like card counters.

                        Funny you mention it could cause beefs -- at the Horseshoe, I had my firebet down and a guy had been rolling for a while. Old guy next to me starts a conversation after a while -- very nice guy. Then I notice he keeps saying 'my firebet' and 'when my firebet hits', etc. I noticed quickly there was only ONE firebet down, and I knew it was mine. this old guy tried to fight the casino saying it was his. And when the shooter hit the 4th point and it turned out to be mine (they even ran back the cameras for verification), the old guy was not happy. the win was for $125 (had a $5 chip down, the max you can bet).

                        I also hit the firebet twice at Harrahs, I think on the same shooter, but I only had $1. Still, this netted me an extra $25 (25 to 1 pay out). I should have followed the shooter to the next craps table he went to!

                        Again, I chose Tunica last year over Metropolis because it has more casinos, the FIREBET, and they also offer 'crapless craps' where every number except 7 is on the table. I never played it, but it sounded interesting. Mostly I wanted the firebet, and it was well worth it.

                        Todd: my friend down in Biloxi is saying everyone is winning at the Hard Rock. I hear from him and from other sites that Beau Rivage is a bit uppity with the highest table limits and that it just isnt the best place to play. I am planning to start with the Hard Rock and whichever is the Harrah's property (the Grand I think).

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                          Posted: April 28, 2010, 6:26 pm - IP Logged

                          TheOtherOne,

                          A very large portion of Metropolis' business comes from Nashville. People hear Illinois and think Chicago but as you know there's quite a difference.

                          Now Cape Girardeau, Missouri is talking about a casino although they didn't want any part of one when it was proposed in 1993.

                          That old guy at the Horseshoe could have just been mistaken or what is known as a claim jumper. Nice to have surveillance on your side!

                          I worked with a few people who opened Tunica with Splash. Hard to believe how rinky-dink that was. For the drop boxes on the table games they were using Army surplus ammo cans!

                          I wonder of that guy who came up with the firebet got anything out of it.

                          Believe it or not, we used to ask this to other crap dealers:

                          "What hits more, 2 or 12?"

                          And the answer was always something like this:

                          "I've seen a whole lot more 12's than 2's!"

                          Green laugh

                          Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                          Lep

                          There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                            TheOtherOne,

                            A very large portion of Metropolis' business comes from Nashville. People hear Illinois and think Chicago but as you know there's quite a difference.

                            Now Cape Girardeau, Missouri is talking about a casino although they didn't want any part of one when it was proposed in 1993.

                            That old guy at the Horseshoe could have just been mistaken or what is known as a claim jumper. Nice to have surveillance on your side!

                            I worked with a few people who opened Tunica with Splash. Hard to believe how rinky-dink that was. For the drop boxes on the table games they were using Army surplus ammo cans!

                            I wonder of that guy who came up with the firebet got anything out of it.

                            Believe it or not, we used to ask this to other crap dealers:

                            "What hits more, 2 or 12?"

                            And the answer was always something like this:

                            "I've seen a whole lot more 12's than 2's!"

                            Green laugh

                            Coin Toss: I figured Metropolis loves them some Nashville customers. Quite a bit of advertisements around, plus they run busses I hear to and fro quite a bit.

                            Funny how Cape Girardeau is changing their mind. Maybe the economy has got them thinking better. I have heard St Louis has good casinos but never been to them.

                            I think the old guy may have just gotten mixed up. Seems like he was sometimes betting the firebet but not often enough apparently.

                            As for the 2s and 12s, I know statistically they are even, but other than that, I dont get it :) Am I missing something?

                            Ah, this time tomorrow I will be well on my way to Biloxi, and almost there. I am ready to shoot some craps!

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                              TheOtherOne,

                              Re: the 2 and 12.........as you said, they are even. As for the dealers asked that, since they see thousands of rolls a wekk, they should know that.

                              Here's another classic:

                              What are there more of, Winners 7's or 7-outs?

                              Ask a few dealers in Biloxi these questions, see what they say.

                              Good Luck!

                              Lep

                              Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                              Lep

                              There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.