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Number of odd combinations in a 5/39 game

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Posted: October 4, 2010, 9:17 am - IP Logged

Winsum,

Very nice spreadsheet, thanks!

Something has been bothering me about the possible number of 5 number combos in a group of 13.  I printed out a chart  from a website that shows many many more combo's for a group of 12.  (1 - 12, 13 - 24, & 25 - 36) 

I agree that the forumla johnph77 provided is correct, so how the people that generated the chart that appears on that website actually generated the numbers for their chart is a mystery to me.

You can see the chart at <snip> dot com slash ruletwo dot htm. 

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    Posted: October 4, 2010, 3:47 pm - IP Logged

    Try lottery america wthout the space in between lottery and america

    Found an error with the orignal Excel file.

    Here is the corrected Excel file download link:

    http://www.box.net/shared/2960m7ydgn

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      Try lottery america wthout the space in between lottery and america

      Hi GiveFive,

      I received your email.

      1st for a 5/36 game for a full wheel of just 12 numbers you would need to play 792 combinations =combin(12,5).

      The website you are referring to is taking numbers from 3 groups.

      For example, a 5/36 game Group 1 = 12 numbers, Group 2 = 12 numbers, and Group 3 = 12 numbers.

      If you look at all the ways you can take a total of 5 numbers from each group you would have a list like the following:

      So for example: 1 - 2 - 2

      If we take 1 number from Group 1 we would have 12 combinations =combin(12,1)

      If we take 2 numbers from Group 2 we would have 66 combinations =combin(12,2)

      If we take 2 numbers from Group 3 we would have 66 combinations =combin(12,2)

      Now if we multiple 12 * 66 * 66 = 52,272 total combinations.   =COMBIN(12,1)*COMBIN(12,2)*COMBIN(12,2)

      If you want to calculate in Excel how many combinations you would need to play from your 5 draw lottery just change the formula.  You would also need to change the 12 12 12 to equal the highest number in your lottery game.

      For example in a 5/55 game your formula would look like this:

      =COMBIN(18,1)*COMBIN(18,2)*COMBIN(19,2)

      =470,934 combinations

      Notice the 18 18 19 = 55

      You can change the Groups also using the chart above. 

      So if you wanted to find out how manu combinations for group 5 0 0 the formula would look like the following:

      =COMBIN(18,5)*COMBIN(18,0)*COMBIN(19,0)

      = 8568 combinations.

      So you can see from the image above the combination for each group type 1-2-2, 5-0-0 etc. for a 5/36 game.

      Cell B2 I entered 36 for the highest number in the lottery game

      In cell B8, C8, and D8 I entered 12, 12, 12

      A better group setting for B8, C8, and D8 would be B8 = 5, C8 = 13, and D8 = 18  Total = 36

      First, you would need to take the last 200 drawings and sort the numbers 1 through 36 by total hits.

      Second, take the best 5 hitting numbers = Group 1

      Third, take the next 13 best numbers = Group 2

      Fourth, take the remaining 18 numbers = Group 3

      You can do this with pen and paper also.

      Take the next 72 drawings (36 numbers x 2 = 72 drawings) and see what numbers come from each group.

      If the numbers are coming from a certain group matrix i.e 1-2-2 or 1-3-2 etc., you can filter the combinations with other filtering methods.

      RL-Randomlogic created a DOS Program for entering numbers into 3 groups.  I'll post the link in the next post.

      Below is the set up for a 5/36 lottery game along with the combinations based on:

      Group 1 = 5

      Group 2 = 13

      Group 3 = 18

      The most likely set of combinations would come from the 0-2-3 group matrix that totals 63,648 combinations and should hit 1 every 5.92 draws.

      I really got off the subject but the combinations for a wheeling 12 numbers for a 5/36 came = 792 combinations excel =combin(12,5)

      Wheeling 13 combinations for a 5/39 game = 1287 combinations excel =combin(13,5)

      Sorry about the long post.

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        Posted: October 4, 2010, 5:08 pm - IP Logged

        6 Number Group Matrix (example 6/49 game would look like the following)

        Notic cells B8 = 6, C8 = 18, and D8 = 25 Total = 49

        Matrix 1-2-3 with 2,111,400 combinations hitting 1 every 6.62 draws (supposedly) lol vs. Matrix 6-0-0 hitting once every 13,983,816 draws.  If we ever live long enough. :)

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          Posted: October 4, 2010, 5:34 pm - IP Logged

          Updated the Excel file to include 6/49 Group combinations and group matrix.

          Here is the download link:

          http://www.box.net/shared/2960m7ydgn

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            Posted: October 4, 2010, 9:37 pm - IP Logged

            Updated the Excel file to include 6/49 Group combinations and group matrix.

            Here is the download link:

            http://www.box.net/shared/2960m7ydgn

            Winsome,

            ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC!!!!!   Thanks so much!  I've downloaded your spreadsheet, and now hopefully I can put it to real good use!!  You'll be the first to know if I win a JP, and I guarantee you, you wont be sorry if I do!!!!  GiveFive

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              Posted: October 6, 2010, 6:43 pm - IP Logged

              Hello winsum, you know that when I win some I reward will have 20% also and I
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              one day sees the reconpensa ok thank you

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                Of the 575,757 total combinations, here is the breakdown:

                Total even (by position):      268413      288933      287793       288933       268413      Total Even: 1402485

                Total odd (by position):        307344      286824      287964       286824       307344      Total Odd:  1476300

                Difference                             -38931           2109           -171           2109       -38931

                PCT EVEN                             46.61%      50.18%      49.98%       50.18%      46.61%

                PCT ODD                              53.38%      49.81%      50.01%       49.81%      53.38%

                5 Even/0 Odd:      11628

                4 Even/1 Odd:      77520

                3 Even/2 Odd:    184110

                2 Even/3 Odd:    194940

                1 Even/4 Odd:      92055

                0 Even/5 Odd:      15504

                These are the results you would get drawing the entire 575,757 combinations ONCE.

                Hope it helps answer your question.

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                  Of the 575,757 total combinations, here is the breakdown:

                  Total even (by position):      268413      288933      287793       288933       268413      Total Even: 1402485

                  Total odd (by position):        307344      286824      287964       286824       307344      Total Odd:  1476300

                  Difference                             -38931           2109           -171           2109       -38931

                  PCT EVEN                             46.61%      50.18%      49.98%       50.18%      46.61%

                  PCT ODD                              53.38%      49.81%      50.01%       49.81%      53.38%

                  5 Even/0 Odd:      11628

                  4 Even/1 Odd:      77520

                  3 Even/2 Odd:    184110

                  2 Even/3 Odd:    194940

                  1 Even/4 Odd:      92055

                  0 Even/5 Odd:      15504

                  These are the results you would get drawing the entire 575,757 combinations ONCE.

                  Hope it helps answer your question.

                  Hi Garyo1954,

                  Thank you so much for your post.

                  I sent you a PM, but I'm not sure I communicated to you what else I'd like to know.  So...here's an example, of what I'm looking for based upon a 5/36 game.  I'm looking for the same thing, except I'd like it for a 5/39 game.

                  The Total # Combos in a 1- 2-2, 2-1-2, or 2-2-1 Group distribution is 52,272

                  # 3odd/2even combos = 16,956

                  # 2odd/3even combos = 16,956

                  # 4odd/1even combo's = 7,830

                  # 1odd/4even combo's = 7,380

                  # 5odd/0even combo's = 1,350

                  # 0odd/5even combo's = 1,350 

                  I'd also like to know the same breakdown for group distributions of 1-1-3, 1-3-1, 3-1-1, 0-2-3, 0-3-2,  2-0-3, 2-3-0, 3-0-2, 3-2-0 etc, up to and including 0-0-5, 0-5-0, and 5-0-0   Thanks very much for any help you can provide.

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                    Tall order.

                    I did the rewrite to find the 5-0, 4-1, 3-2, 2-3, 1-4, and 0-5, but never considered before reading this post you were looking for patterns as well.

                    I am assuming you want to know in every combination of even and odd, what is the breakdown pattern in your designated sets? Right?

                    Something like....in each even/odd combination, what is the distribution of the sets 1-13, 14-26, and 27-39?

                    And what is the pattern of this distribution?

                     

                    EXAMPLES:

                    2, 16, 28, 32, 34 would be a 5-0 even/odd distribution and a 1-1-3 pattern?

                    4, 15, 17, 21, 35 would be a 1-4 even/odd distribution and 1-3-1 pattern?

                    1, 3, 6, 12, 26, 37 would be a 3-3 even/odd distribution and a 3-1-1 pattern?

                     

                    That will take a little more time. But could prove interesting. I'll see what I can do.

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                      winsum, most Excellent !

                      Thank You!

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                        Tall order.

                        I did the rewrite to find the 5-0, 4-1, 3-2, 2-3, 1-4, and 0-5, but never considered before reading this post you were looking for patterns as well.

                        I am assuming you want to know in every combination of even and odd, what is the breakdown pattern in your designated sets? Right?

                        Something like....in each even/odd combination, what is the distribution of the sets 1-13, 14-26, and 27-39?

                        And what is the pattern of this distribution?

                         

                        EXAMPLES:

                        2, 16, 28, 32, 34 would be a 5-0 even/odd distribution and a 1-1-3 pattern?

                        4, 15, 17, 21, 35 would be a 1-4 even/odd distribution and 1-3-1 pattern?

                        1, 3, 6, 12, 26, 37 would be a 3-3 even/odd distribution and a 3-1-1 pattern?

                         

                        That will take a little more time. But could prove interesting. I'll see what I can do.

                        I was afraid that it could or would take a lot of work!  If it's just too much work, then please dont bother with it.

                        You're exactly correct as to what I'm looking for.

                        The last line in your example has six numbers.... I'm only looking for 5. For instance 1, 3, 6, 12, 26 would be 2-3 odd/even distribution and a 4-1-0 pattern. 

                        There are a total of 21 different patterns.  They are: 1-2-2, 2-1-2, 2-2-1,    1-1-3, 1-3-1, 3-1-1,    0-2-3, 0-3-2,

                        2-0-3,  2-3-0, 3-0-2, 3-2-0,    0-1-4, 0-4-1, 1-0-4, 1-4-0, 4-0-1, 4-1-0,    0-0-5, 0-5-0, & 5-0-0