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How Many Tickets Per Draw Are Necessary To Win?

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How Many Tickets Played Per Draw Are Needed To Win?

1 Ticket [ 43 ]  [48.31%]
5 Tickets [ 10 ]  [11.24%]
6 Tickets [ 6 ]  [6.74%]
24 Tickets [ 11 ]  [12.36%]
42 Tickets [ 5 ]  [5.62%]
100 Tickets [ 4 ]  [4.49%]
163 Tickets [ 1 ]  [1.12%]
Under 500 Tickets [ 5 ]  [5.62%]
Under 1,000 Tickets [ 0 ]  [0.00%]
Over 1,000 Tickets [ 4 ]  [4.49%]
Total Valid Votes [ 89 ]  
Discarded Votes [ 0 ]  
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Posted: September 26, 2010, 9:48 am - IP Logged

one ,Smile

Did you exchange a walk on part in the war ?

For a lead role in a cage?

 

                                            From Pink Floyd's " Wish you were here"

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    Posted: September 26, 2010, 12:08 pm - IP Logged

    This Poll is for your state's big game whether Pick-6 or Pick-5 Plus 1. 

    The question isn't how many ticket you play or can afford.  It is about the minimum number of tickets you feel would be necessary to play per draw in order  to have a good chance to win.  In other words, if you had access to the I wish playing budget necessary to properly work your wheel, system or strategy how many tickets would that take per draw?

    Or, if a lotto pool asked you to make up their combinations in return for a free share, how many combinations  would you say were necessary to take a really good shot at each draw?

    Ticket = Combination = One Play

    BobP

    POWERBALL ODDS
      MATCH   ODDS
      5/5+B  1 : 195249054
      5/5+0  1 : 5138133
      4/5+B  1 : 723145
      4/5+0  1 : 19030
      3/5+B  1 : 13644
      3/5+0  1 : 359
      2/5+B  1 : 787
      1/5+B  1 : 123
      0/5+B  1 : 62
     ______________________________
     overall odds are 1 : 35.1

    Last night's Powerball drawing didn't have even one 5/5 winner in spite of odds of 1:5,138,133 of it happening and 21,909,458 lines were purchased nation wide.   I feel fortunately to have had a 1/5+1 with 20 lines.

     * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
       
                 Evil Looking       

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      Posted: September 26, 2010, 2:26 pm - IP Logged

      Hi BobP,

      When I read your book I learned so much and was so inspired, but I soon realized that if I play with all the numbers in play there are still too many gaps and to play in that way would be similar to "a child who is hoping to move a mountain with a spade and a bucket", so you have to reduce the playing field the question is by how much?

      At the moment I  am putting a £10 every week "in my sock" and thinking of a strategy, because I believe to have a chance of winning big you have to put enough money on.

      I am curious to know what do you think how many tickets per daw are necessary to win?

      Firerose.

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        Posted: September 27, 2010, 9:10 pm - IP Logged

        if a ticket expiration date was: 1 year a person could hypothetically win the: PB or any jackpot from the free tickets...win lots of free tickets on some lotteries and in 1 year you could accumulate: 60,000 or in 3 years accumulate 400,000 tickets or buy people´s free tickets, give them: 20 cents or 25 cents...No one is going to drive 2 miles, was $2 dollars on gas going and comming to redeem 1 SINGLE free ticket....

        The Forex trades: 1.6 Trillion dollars EVERY day, that´s more than the GDP of the Carribbean Central America, COMBINED. Enough to feed every crook out there for centuries...To all Geniuses & Powers Countries of the World the Planet needs breakthroughs in all Medicine, Veterinary, Biology related fields, Psychology, Population Psychology/Sociology..They need to genetically ingeneer new plants species/types to give more variety of plants and thus have more resources for combating diseases¨


         


         


         

         


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          Posted: September 27, 2010, 11:22 pm - IP Logged


          Hi Jimmy:

          Something isn't right with your wheel or the description.   CoverMaster makes a (12,6,3,3)=15 wheel and the Iliya Bluskov book Combinatorial Lottery Systems (Wheels) with Guaranteed Wins (available through the LotteryPost Amazon book store left column) has a 12 number wheel with two 3 number prizes. 2x(12,6,3,3)=22 and so 29 lines is a lot of extra lines. 

          This CoverMaster wheel guarantees both (12,6,3,3) and (12,6,4,6) in 15.

           1  2  3  7  8  9
           1  2  4  5  6 10
           1  2  4  9 11 12
           1  3  4  5  7 11
           1  3  6  7 10 12
           1  4  5  8  9 12
           1  6  8  9 10 11
           2  3  4  6  8 12
           2  3  5  8 10 11
           2  4  6  7  9 11
           2  5  7  9 10 12
           3  4  7  9 10 11
           3  5  6  9 11 12
           4  5  6  7  8  9
           4  7  8 10 11 12

          My personal favorite guarantees not only a 3 number prize with 3 correct of of 6, it also guarantees that when all six numbers are correct you will win 9, 4 number prizes and uses only 22 tickets.

           1  2  3  4  5  6
           1  2  3  9 11 12
           1  2  4  7  8  9
           1  2  5  7 10 11
           1  2  6  8 10 12
           1  3  4  7 10 12
           1  3  5  8  9 10
           1  3  6  7  8 11
           1  4  5  8 11 12
           1  4  6  9 10 11
           1  5  6  7  9 12
           2  3  4  8 10 11
           2  3  5  7  8 12
           2  3  6  7  9 10
           2  4  5  9 10 12
           2  4  6  7 11 12
           2  5  6  8  9 11
           3  4  5  7  9 11
           3  4  6  8  9 12
           3  5  6 10 11 12
           4  5  6  7  8 10
           7  8  9 10 11 12


          BobP

          I'm just using the abbrev 3 if 3 of 12 for Pick 5 in the Lottery Wheels section here on LP which has 29 combos.  Your wheel is for Pick 6 and not Pick 5 right?

          Jimmy

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            Posted: September 27, 2010, 11:32 pm - IP Logged

            I'm just using the abbrev 3 if 3 of 12 for Pick 5 in the Lottery Wheels section here on LP which has 29 combos.  Your wheel is for Pick 6 and not Pick 5 right?

            Jimmy

            The best I could get with CoverMaster with 100% coverage was 33 tickets versus 29.  If you can do better with CV can you give me your CoverMaster settings?

            Jimmy

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              Posted: September 28, 2010, 1:04 am - IP Logged

              The best I could get with CoverMaster with 100% coverage was 33 tickets versus 29.  If you can do better with CV can you give me your CoverMaster settings?

              Jimmy

              Pick-5 eh?  That explains it.  CoverMaster in 29 I'm not sure, but in 32,31,30 yes no problem just check the Optimize box before Generating the wheel.   I did a dozen runs in a minute and some were 30 combinations.  Tried deleting one line from 30 and optimizing and am one off from 100%, you'll see what I mean. 

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                Posted: September 28, 2010, 1:22 am - IP Logged

                Hi BobP,

                When I read your book I learned so much and was so inspired, but I soon realized that if I play with all the numbers in play there are still too many gaps and to play in that way would be similar to "a child who is hoping to move a mountain with a spade and a bucket", so you have to reduce the playing field the question is by how much?

                At the moment I  am putting a £10 every week "in my sock" and thinking of a strategy, because I believe to have a chance of winning big you have to put enough money on.

                I am curious to know what do you think how many tickets per daw are necessary to win?

                Firerose.


                "The higher the heat the sooner we eat."

                Once we have a valid working strategy, buying more tickets turns up the heat on the lottery.

                All things considered:  In my opinion 250 to 500 combinations per draw would be a sweet playing budget to hasten a jackpot.   Less takes longer and more starts to look like a lottery prize of itself.

                I'm averaging ten combinations per draw playing the way I describe in the third method in my book.   I could bring it down to less, that seems to eliminate the 3 number and occasional 4 number wins so playing a little more almost pays for itself while turning up the heat a notch on the jackpot. 

                BobP

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                  Posted: September 28, 2010, 2:25 pm - IP Logged

                  I said one because it only takes one to win, but to increase your chances of winning only 5.This gives you a chance to have money to play again,which also increases your chances of winning.I read a lot about lottery jackpots across the states, most million dollar jackpot winners pick 5  quick picks, its rare for someone to win huge jackpot choosing numbers.Someone wonrecently after buying 50 qp.and another winner of millions of dollars choosing his own, but if you read lotto stories you will find out that quick picks on huge jackpots is the main way to go.If the odds are so high against you playing 3 and 4 digits imagine millions.

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                    BobP

                    "All things considered:  In my opinion 250 to 500 combinations per draw would be a sweet playing budget to hasten a jackpot."

                    Well for one thing, anyone who could play that many ticket s per draw probably doesn't need to hit a jackpot and is playing just for grins.At an average of 9 draws a month for MM or PP, and the Megaplier or Powerplay meaning $2 per line, a player would be stuck $9,000 the first month playing 500 combinations per draw, assuming that the most common thing per line of numbers happened....that is the player hits, 0, 1 or 2 numbers, which pays 0, zilch, nada. Granted they may tie a few of those hits in with the Mega number or Powerball, but certainly not enough to ease the pain of being stuck $9,000.

                    Taking Mega Millions, playing 5000 combinations reduces:

                    1:175,711,536 to 1:1,175,711,036. Whoopee. So you have 500 combinations for you and 175,711,036 against you. Gee, which side of that do you think you're 500 will wind up on? Powerball makes that worse by 20,000,000 more.

                    1:195,249,054, minus 500. 1:195,248,554. Again, Whoopee!

                    For those who don't have pockets that deep playing in such a manner would also be known as economic suicide.

                    No offesne intended, but I find it ironic and extremely interesting that since the topic here is Pick 6 or 5 + 1, statisitcally it's the QPs that take the 12 to 15 or so jackpots a year 70% of the time. Yet you would advocate playing like that, and that most of the people on this board are so "system-prone" and anti-QP yet they have nothing at all to show proof-wise, and only post conjecture.

                    Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                    Lep

                    There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                      (Couldn't get to edit in time to add a little)

                      Less may take longer but the further away a player gets from " a dollar and a dream" and the heavier they play pursuing a jackpot, the more likely that dream is to turn into a nightmare.

                      Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                      Lep

                      There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                        Posted: September 28, 2010, 9:51 pm - IP Logged

                        For Powerball, 39. For Mega Millions, 46. This way I have every bonus ball covered and am guaranteed a win of at least $2.

                        Today's winning 3-ball is going to be a number between 000 and 999.

                        In a lot of states, lotteries benefit education. That makes the REAL winners the only people who can't play!

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                          Posted: September 28, 2010, 10:51 pm - IP Logged

                          This Poll is for your state's big game whether Pick-6 or Pick-5 Plus 1. 

                          The question isn't how many ticket you play or can afford.  It is about the minimum number of tickets you feel would be necessary to play per draw in order  to have a good chance to win.  In other words, if you had access to the I wish playing budget necessary to properly work your wheel, system or strategy how many tickets would that take per draw?

                          Or, if a lotto pool asked you to make up their combinations in return for a free share, how many combinations  would you say were necessary to take a really good shot at each draw?

                          Ticket = Combination = One Play

                          BobP

                          To win the top prize since we have a Lotto,  Pball, and Mega.  I feel the minimum number is somewhere between 6 and 24 lines for the Lotto so maybe 15avg.  lines ( I don't play MD Lotto cause it is a rip).  For the Pball and Mega something btwn. 12 and 36 lines either game so maybe 20avg., .............. I believe the Mega Ball and Power Ball are the first numbers to be determined not the five of five. I hope I stayed on topic and not started preaching.

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                            Posted: September 28, 2010, 11:38 pm - IP Logged

                            For Powerball, 39. For Mega Millions, 46. This way I have every bonus ball covered and am guaranteed a win of at least $2.

                            - 39 + 2 = -37 = Win!

                            -46 + 2 = - 44 = Win!

                            The lotteries love this way of thinking.They'll gladly take all the Milo Minderbinders they can get!

                            Enough said.

                            Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                            Lep

                            There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                              Posted: September 29, 2010, 12:56 am - IP Logged

                              i will show a sample of  whaT WHEEL IM CURRENTLY PLAYING

                              this is mon/wed draws the cheapest avail here.

                              the sydicates pals and yip are set numbers, for my group of pals and yip is family syndicate. those numbers are set and never change.

                              i ran the numbers thru covermaster, and generated some more lines that i play the free4nowe syndicate with. free 4 now is my own gasmes i play just for myself.

                               

                              the wwheel is designed to pull a 2 hit out of all 45 numbers 99% and a 3 number hit %38 of the time, the last 2 numbers are the number of hits and bonus balls hit, no win this week again, but the ever comforting 3 hit that pays nothing here.

                              i pay a 1/5th share in the top 2 syndicates and a full share in the last. so about $8 a week . for 2 draws or around $4 a draw.

                              pals    3    11    12    22    24    35    1    0
                              pals    5    7    22    24    25    43    2    0
                              pals    4    9    22    27    31    41    1    0
                              pals    2    3    21    22    37    41    2    0
                              pals    9    17    23    32    41    42    0    1
                              pals    1    3    9    18    35    44    0    0
                              yip    16    19    33    34    40    45    0    0
                              yip    17    20    35    37    39    43    1    0
                              yip    4    7    13    28    30    32    0    0
                              yip    10    11    14    20    21    29    3    0
                              free 4 now    6    8    10    26    38    45    1    1
                              free 4 now    5    12    13    14    19    31    0    0
                              free 4 now    12    21    25    30    33    39    1    0
                              free 4 now    6    16    23    27    36    44    0    2
                              free 4 now    1    2    4    15    23    40    1    1
                              free 4 now    2    27    29    34    38    42    1    0
                              free 4 now    8    15    18    24    36    37    1    0
                              free 4 now    11    17    25    26    28    38    0    0

                               

                               

                              and here is a screen shot from the bank accounti stuff family money in to try n collect $8 grand into to pay for all the family lotto , small wins go in there

                              2014 = -1016; 2015= -1409; 2016 JAN = -106; FEB= -81; MAR= -131; APR= - 87: MAY= -91; JUN= -39; JUL=-134; AUG= -124; SEP = -123; OCT= -84  NOV=- 73 TOT= -3498

                              keno historic = -2291 ; 2015= -603; 2016= JAN=-32, FEB= +12 , MAR= -86, APR = -77. MAY= -48, JUN= -29, JUL=-71; AUG = -52; SEPT= -43; OCT = +56 NOV = -33 TOT= -3297