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eddessaknight

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Nov 28, 2010, 5:58 pm

For those who are familiar w/The Law of Third

Consider it like a roulette wheel but with 49 pockets.

After 49 spins one third of the numbers would not have hit, so there's 16 sleeping numbers left after 49 have been dfrawn.

Lotto draws 6 numbers per play, so examining the last 8 games - should be approx 16 left-

Any thoughts on this comparison or approach ???

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Nov 28, 2010, 9:19 pm

Good theory, but the Lottery conducts pretests, and Roulette or any other similar game doesn't.

This is what I've been saying about pretests for the longest time, rotation of the tubes and machine rotations. Those 16 numbers could've shown during those pretests, thus throwing the whole thing out of whack. Unless the officials disclose the pretest info, it's a waste of time.

Maybe applying the law to Roulette or similar games may work better.
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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Nov 28, 2010
Good theory, but the Lottery conducts pretests, and Roulette or any other similar game doesn't.

This is what I've been saying about pretests for the longest time, rotation of the tubes and machine rotations. Those 16 numbers could've shown during those pretests, thus throwing the whole thing out of whack. Unless the officials disclose the pretest info, it's a waste of time.

Maybe applying the law to Roulette or similar games may work better.

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Quote: Originally posted by eddessaknight on Nov 28, 2010
For those who are familiar w/The Law of Third

Consider it like a roulette wheel but with 49 pockets.

After 49 spins one third of the numbers would not have hit, so there's 16 sleeping numbers left after 49 have been dfrawn.

Lotto draws 6 numbers per play, so examining the last 8 games - should be approx 16 left-

Any thoughts on this comparison or approach ???

EddessaKnight

I've done this with bonus match 5 mega millions and our multi match game the sleepers or cold numbers rarely if at all ever come out in groups of 3 or more..... they tend to pop up singularly with the balls that were drawn more frequently,

a good test of this can be done setting up a number sheet and crossing off the numbers that were drawn for 30 days noting those numbers that weren't drawn and discovering when the sleepers were drawn.

I did it for years and still do looking for some clue as to where to select numbers from a group.

An even better was is to separate the tally sheet into 10 days /10 more days and the final 10 or 11 days. Then compare the three sets. note which numbers weren't drawn and then watch when they do get drawn.

In bonus match 5 I've seen a few digits sit out 40 days or more as if they were never in the machine.

Just as in bingo the B1 isn't called in every game neither will all the lottery balls be drawn every sixty days sometimes.

A game that is only played twice a week will take many months before all the balls are called.

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Nov 29, 2010, 7:15 pm

Thanks Jocker for your interest & informative response.

I think your comments are a good call.

In casino table gambling circles Law of the Third has a big following however players contend with similar problems & the interference is called "countermeasures" with the same intention of throwing your methodology 'out of whack."

Consider this, if gaming or lotteries wasn't beatable why do various covert countermeasures exsist???

Think about it

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Quote: Originally posted by eddessaknight on Nov 29, 2010
Thanks Jocker for your interest & informative response.

I think your comments are a good call.

In casino table gambling circles Law of the Third has a big following however players contend with similar problems & the interference is called "countermeasures" with the same intention of throwing your methodology 'out of whack."

Consider this, if gaming or lotteries wasn't beatable why do various covert countermeasures exsist???

Think about it

EddessaKnight

Exactly !

If they have nothing to worry about or hide from the players, why go to such lengths to interfere with the natural flow of chaos?

I'd be interested as to what type of counter measures the casinos use. But I do know the excuse the lotteries use for counter measures. They claim it's to make sure the machines work correctly. Biggest bunch of BS I ever heard. It's an excuse. In fact, like I've said a thousand times before on the LP, they are actually contibuting to the machine's failure by accelerating the wear and tear of the machines. Also, I don't care how many pretests they conduct, If a machine is going to fail during the draw......it will !
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Quote: Originally posted by four4me on Nov 29, 2010
I've done this with bonus match 5 mega millions and our multi match game the sleepers or cold numbers rarely if at all ever come out in groups of 3 or more..... they tend to pop up singularly with the balls that were drawn more frequently,

a good test of this can be done setting up a number sheet and crossing off the numbers that were drawn for 30 days noting those numbers that weren't drawn and discovering when the sleepers were drawn.

I did it for years and still do looking for some clue as to where to select numbers from a group.

An even better was is to separate the tally sheet into 10 days /10 more days and the final 10 or 11 days. Then compare the three sets. note which numbers weren't drawn and then watch when they do get drawn.

In bonus match 5 I've seen a few digits sit out 40 days or more as if they were never in the machine.

Just as in bingo the B1 isn't called in every game neither will all the lottery balls be drawn every sixty days sometimes.

A game that is only played twice a week will take many months before all the balls are called.

four4me, do appreciate your sharing your personal take & personal methodolgy experiences.

I experiemnted with a collection of hot & cold past occurances and had mixed results. broke about even on lottery ping pong balls using the "Systemn X" by Professor of Math Dr Ian Ferguson; mild success by adapting same to chasing live Keno ping pong balls . It's certainly possible that the lack of game interference ala ostensibly pre-testing between games, as ouir Joker as often sighted, Could have made that difference. At least with live keno you sit & monitor all game proceedings live as it happens before, during & after each game.

I do encourage all to consider Hoare's Law of Large Problems, which says that inside every large problem is a small problem scrambling to get out. Be alert for the possibility that minor adjustments will work better than epic struggles.

*Unless you can create or see (RV) the future, you are right, the ball hits you!

Good Fortune Hunting

EddessaKnight

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*There is the potential for some to see the associations between numbers, muiscal notes, colors (like Pythagoras)
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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Nov 29, 2010
Exactly !

If they have nothing to worry about or hide from the players, why go to such lengths to interfere with the natural flow of chaos?

I'd be interested as to what type of counter measures the casinos use. But I do know the excuse the lotteries use for counter measures. They claim it's to make sure the machines work correctly. Biggest bunch of BS I ever heard. It's an excuse. In fact, like I've said a thousand times before on the LP, they are actually contibuting to the machine's failure by accelerating the wear and tear of the machines. Also, I don't care how many pretests they conduct, If a machine is going to fail during the draw......it will !

Hey Joker, we are on the same musical page w/dischrodant intentions of gaming operators meant to increase the player's noise to signal (S/N) ratio

This comes from the management mentality where as players are looked upon disdainfully as suckers. The prevalant view is the property is offering an enterainment in the name of gaming which is a losing bet & not an opportunity for a living or riches outside the lucky strike. Therfore the management will vifourously discourage all. illegal & legal players from continuously applying any advantage methodology that adversely affects their greedy bottom line.

Interestingly, when giving a craps example of the direct interference of the pit by their stickman, that I wrote about in lotto maims thread - this pro bono post mysteriously disappeared without explanation. Bye the Bye Joker, so you recall reading same? The aforementioned action causes me some undertsandable concerns about posting any more inside casino countermeasure secrets.

I think you have covered the biggest & most effective gaff that lottery operators apply against potential methodology or system players , upsetting the normal outcome flow & results.

Naturally there is much more as there designted counter actions for each game that can be applied at the operato's discretion -

L@@K: no one is going to sit back & watch you make large withdrawals at will & at their expense!!!

Good Workood Luck.

EddessaKnight
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Quote: Originally posted by eddessaknight on Dec 1, 2010
Hey Joker, we are on the same musical page w/dischrodant intentions of gaming operators meant to increase the player's noise to signal (S/N) ratio

This comes from the management mentality where as players are looked upon disdainfully as suckers. The prevalant view is the property is offering an enterainment in the name of gaming which is a losing bet & not an opportunity for a living or riches outside the lucky strike. Therfore the management will vifourously discourage all. illegal & legal players from continuously applying any advantage methodology that adversely affects their greedy bottom line.

Interestingly, when giving a craps example of the direct interference of the pit by their stickman, that I wrote about in lotto maims thread - this pro bono post mysteriously disappeared without explanation. Bye the Bye Joker, so you recall reading same? The aforementioned action causes me some undertsandable concerns about posting any more inside casino countermeasure secrets.

I think you have covered the biggest & most effective gaff that lottery operators apply against potential methodology or system players , upsetting the normal outcome flow & results.

Naturally there is much more as there designted counter actions for each game that can be applied at the operato's discretion -

L@@K: no one is going to sit back & watch you make large withdrawals at will & at their expense!!!

Good Workood Luck.

EddessaKnight

You guys make good points. Another major noise factor for the pick 3/4 player is two daily draws, midday and evening. It seems to throw a monkey wrench into the player's psyche. More choices = more confusion.

Posted 4/6: IL Pick 3 midday and evening until they hit: 555, 347 (str8).
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Quote: Originally posted by Rick G on Dec 3, 2010
You guys make good points. Another major noise factor for the pick 3/4 player is two daily draws, midday and evening. It seems to throw a monkey wrench into the player's psyche. More choices = more confusion.
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Quote: Originally posted by Rick G on Dec 3, 2010
You guys make good points. Another major noise factor for the pick 3/4 player is two daily draws, midday and evening. It seems to throw a monkey wrench into the player's psyche. More choices = more confusion.

Hey Rick G appreciate the relevant contribution & good hearing from you again.

Aye those two times a day draw cetainly makes a confusing difference & that's by design.

Keeping in mind the great legendary great gambler quote of 'Guys & Dolls'fame:

'When you own the roulette wheel, ts no longer a even chance game '
-Damon Runyon

Naturally same applies to any game, ping pong balls or racing >>>>

Regards,

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Dec 3, 2010, 7:56 pm

Quote: Originally posted by eddessaknight on Nov 28, 2010
For those who are familiar w/The Law of Third

Consider it like a roulette wheel but with 49 pockets.

After 49 spins one third of the numbers would not have hit, so there's 16 sleeping numbers left after 49 have been dfrawn.

Lotto draws 6 numbers per play, so examining the last 8 games - should be approx 16 left-

Any thoughts on this comparison or approach ???

EddessaKnight

The thing to do here is simply test the idea on your state's numbers and see how it performs.

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Quote: Originally posted by time*treat on Dec 3, 2010
The thing to do here is simply test the idea on your state's numbers and see how it performs.

Thanks time*treat for a encouraging & practical application test, using past performance state lottery numbers for no risk testing-

Only problem we have is lottery is illegal in Nevada-

Any good souls here willing to check out the viability of this simple & straighforward law of third procedure ???

Thanks in advance for your consideration, results could prove useful or at lerst interesting to all!

Good Hunting,

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Dec 4, 2010, 8:28 pm

Ah, if you can find a text data source that doesn't require a whole bunch of work to get the numbers into usable form ...

examples:

Texas' text format is good.

Florida's text format is a clusterfark

(Neither of those is a 6/49, though.)

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