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DO NOT SHOP AT THE SHELL SERVICE STATION LISTED BELOW, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES:
SHELL
2898 JOHNSON FERRY RD
MARIETTA, GA 30062-5679
770-641-7658This station is located on the northeast corner of Johnson Ferry Road, at the intersection of Lassiter Road. There is a standard Shell logo on the sign in front of the business. I walked into this location at approximately 8:45 pm, the evening of December 15, 2010. I inquired about the Jingle Jumbo Bucks instant tickets that were in the bin, and the clerk, who later identified himself as John, stated that the ticket number was 006. I did not ask any further questions at this point, but he went on to tell me that there had not been any big winners in this pack, and that most all of the winners had either been free tickets or small payouts such as twenty dollars.
This sounded really good to me, so I purchased the ticket, number 006, and scratched it in the store, at the front counter. I moved out of the way if any customers approached the counter. Ticket number 006 won a free ticket. I wrote down the information from this ticket, to include the pack number. The full ticket number was 844-282299-006. The serial number was 0897470896. The bold numbers were contained in a box. The prize for that ticket was another free ticket, and I exchanged it for ticket number 005. Ticket number 005 also won a free ticket, so I traded it in for ticket number 004. Ticket number 004 was a loser.
I then decided to purchase two more tickets. They were ticket numbers 003 and 002. I knew that I was near the end of the pack, so they had a good chance of winning. As I was scratching them off, I said to John that I sure hoped these won, and he stated that I had the last tickets in the pack. I know from experience that a full pack of ten dollar Jingle Jumbo Bucks tickets are numbered 000 to 029, in sequential order. I told John that it was impossible that the ticket numbered 002 was the last ticket in the roll. I said that ticket numbers 001 and 000 were the last tickets in the pack.
John stated that the owner of the store owned the tickets, and that he could scratch them off. He then admitted that the owner of the store, Greg, had purchased the first two tickets off the roll, and that he liked to do that, and that they were his tickets, so he could do whatever he wanted with them. He said that he was free to purchase them, but I pointed out that he needed to either purchase the losers like the rest of us to get at the good ticket, or let the customers buy the tickets until he got to the ones that he wanted. You cannot sell tickets from both ends of the roll. They must all be sold in sequential order, with none missing. You cannot just buy up all of the winning tickets, and sell the remaining losers to unsuspecting customers. To do otherwise violates the trust of the lottery, as well as the fairness and to maintain the stated odds.
I told John that there was not a snowballs chance in hell that I would have purchased even one ticket, had I known that there were tickets missing from the end of the pack. I strongly believe that either ticket number 000 or 001 was a winner of a $100 jingle bell prize, or perhaps an even larger prize. It will take the cooperation of the Georgia Lottery Commission, hereafter known as GLC, to determine if this is true. What he sold me was false hope. He knowingly sold me tickets with the winner missing, and this is very deceiving and abhorrently dishonest at the least, and I am assuming that what he did is a serious felony.
I told John that I wanted a full refund of all of the tickets which I purchased, as they could not possibly deliver on their odds when played from both ends of the book. I called the non-emergency number of the Cobb County Police Department, and spoke with the dispatcher. She advised me that this was not a police matter, and that I should take it up with the GLC and the Cobb County S.O. fraud division. I will be contacting the Cobb County Sheriffs fraud investigative division, as well as filing a lawsuit in small claims court. I will contact GLC regarding this matter and request a full investigation, but I am going to seek other measures of relief as well.
I will investigate the possibility of pursuing local, state and federal charges, perhaps he has violated RICO statutes, as the winner of the ticket could have been a top prize of $750,000. RICO offenses are described briefly below. Under the law, racketeering activity means any violation of state statutes against gambling for example. This could also include money laundering and related offenses. Any act of bribery, counterfeiting, theft, embezzlement, fraud, dealing in obscene matter, obstruction of justice, slavery, racketeering, gambling, money laundering, commission of murder-for-hire, and several other offenses covered under the Federal criminal code (Title 18);
I was sold tickets in which he knew that the winner was missing. The money I wasted, along with the possible money I could have won, including the top prize, or at least $100, plus the forty dollars that I spent on the tickets, which will be my damages. He knew, or reasonably should have known that he was selling tickets which had a very small chance of winning, as my experience with the lottery has been that there are not usually very large winners near a higher paying prize.
I will also need to contact the Better Business Bureau, RipoffReport.com, consumer advocate Clark Howard, the Fair Trade Commission, and any local, state or federal regulatory bodies. I will also need to contact my elected officials, both at the state level and in the US Congress. This matter is not to be taken lightly, and I imagine that this is a violation of many laws or regulations. I plan on picketing this business with my small children present, and hosting a web site to warn consumers about this deceptive practice. I wonder how many innocent people he has scammed with his non-winning tickets, which are sold out of sequential order. Someone who did not frequently play the lottery may not even pay attention to the ticket number.
The few times I have been in that store, there has always been a small amount of tickets, and this has always concerned me. Whoever has been working the counter has said that there was a shortage, and there would be more tickets available soon. I should have listened to my subconscious about this. I knew something was wrong. The owner of this store needs to serve time in a federal prison, lose his license to operate as a lottery retailer, and should lose his business. He should be fined tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars. Due to the fact that the tickets may have been printed out of state, it might be an interstate investigation, and the FBI might want to know about this.
As I understand it, the tickets do not have to be paid for until they are validated. He may be finding the winners, validating them and paying for them. Then he might sell the unregistered tickets, and pay them out of his pocket. As I recall, I do not remember him scanning the tickets. He just quickly handed me another, when I turned in the free ticket. Perhaps he is in collusion with another retailer. He may have been buying tickets that had a small chance of winning for pennies on the dollar, and paying out any small winners without validating them. I am not certain about this, but I will have the cooperation of the GLC to resolve this matter. He might have gotten away with this with some people, but I am not one of them. I can and will pursue every legal and civil channel that I possibly can. Hopefully, I will put an end to his predatory practice.
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Quote: Originally posted by CarHauler on Dec 15, 2010
DO NOT SHOP AT THE SHELL SERVICE STATION LISTED BELOW, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES:
SHELL
2898 JOHNSON FERRY RD
MARIETTA, GA 30062-5679
770-641-7658This station is located on the northeast corner of Johnson Ferry Road, at the intersection of Lassiter Road. There is a standard Shell logo on the sign in front of the business. I walked into this location at approximately 8:45 pm, the evening of December 15, 2010. I inquired about the Jingle Jumbo Bucks instant tickets that were in the bin, and the clerk, who later identified himself as John, stated that the ticket number was 006. I did not ask any further questions at this point, but he went on to tell me that there had not been any big winners in this pack, and that most all of the winners had either been free tickets or small payouts such as twenty dollars.
This sounded really good to me, so I purchased the ticket, number 006, and scratched it in the store, at the front counter. I moved out of the way if any customers approached the counter. Ticket number 006 won a free ticket. I wrote down the information from this ticket, to include the pack number. The full ticket number was 844-282299-006. The serial number was 0897470896. The bold numbers were contained in a box. The prize for that ticket was another free ticket, and I exchanged it for ticket number 005. Ticket number 005 also won a free ticket, so I traded it in for ticket number 004. Ticket number 004 was a loser.
I then decided to purchase two more tickets. They were ticket numbers 003 and 002. I knew that I was near the end of the pack, so they had a good chance of winning. As I was scratching them off, I said to John that I sure hoped these won, and he stated that I had the last tickets in the pack. I know from experience that a full pack of ten dollar Jingle Jumbo Bucks tickets are numbered 000 to 029, in sequential order. I told John that it was impossible that the ticket numbered 002 was the last ticket in the roll. I said that ticket numbers 001 and 000 were the last tickets in the pack.
John stated that the owner of the store owned the tickets, and that he could scratch them off. He then admitted that the owner of the store, Greg, had purchased the first two tickets off the roll, and that he liked to do that, and that they were his tickets, so he could do whatever he wanted with them. He said that he was free to purchase them, but I pointed out that he needed to either purchase the losers like the rest of us to get at the good ticket, or let the customers buy the tickets until he got to the ones that he wanted. You cannot sell tickets from both ends of the roll. They must all be sold in sequential order, with none missing. You cannot just buy up all of the winning tickets, and sell the remaining losers to unsuspecting customers. To do otherwise violates the trust of the lottery, as well as the fairness and to maintain the stated odds.
I told John that there was not a snowballs chance in hell that I would have purchased even one ticket, had I known that there were tickets missing from the end of the pack. I strongly believe that either ticket number 000 or 001 was a winner of a $100 jingle bell prize, or perhaps an even larger prize. It will take the cooperation of the Georgia Lottery Commission, hereafter known as GLC, to determine if this is true. What he sold me was false hope. He knowingly sold me tickets with the winner missing, and this is very deceiving and abhorrently dishonest at the least, and I am assuming that what he did is a serious felony.
I told John that I wanted a full refund of all of the tickets which I purchased, as they could not possibly deliver on their odds when played from both ends of the book. I called the non-emergency number of the Cobb County Police Department, and spoke with the dispatcher. She advised me that this was not a police matter, and that I should take it up with the GLC and the Cobb County S.O. fraud division. I will be contacting the Cobb County Sheriffs fraud investigative division, as well as filing a lawsuit in small claims court. I will contact GLC regarding this matter and request a full investigation, but I am going to seek other measures of relief as well.
I will investigate the possibility of pursuing local, state and federal charges, perhaps he has violated RICO statutes, as the winner of the ticket could have been a top prize of $750,000. RICO offenses are described briefly below. Under the law, racketeering activity means any violation of state statutes against gambling for example. This could also include money laundering and related offenses. Any act of bribery, counterfeiting, theft, embezzlement, fraud, dealing in obscene matter, obstruction of justice, slavery, racketeering, gambling, money laundering, commission of murder-for-hire, and several other offenses covered under the Federal criminal code (Title 18);
I was sold tickets in which he knew that the winner was missing. The money I wasted, along with the possible money I could have won, including the top prize, or at least $100, plus the forty dollars that I spent on the tickets, which will be my damages. He knew, or reasonably should have known that he was selling tickets which had a very small chance of winning, as my experience with the lottery has been that there are not usually very large winners near a higher paying prize.
I will also need to contact the Better Business Bureau, RipoffReport.com, consumer advocate Clark Howard, the Fair Trade Commission, and any local, state or federal regulatory bodies. I will also need to contact my elected officials, both at the state level and in the US Congress. This matter is not to be taken lightly, and I imagine that this is a violation of many laws or regulations. I plan on picketing this business with my small children present, and hosting a web site to warn consumers about this deceptive practice. I wonder how many innocent people he has scammed with his non-winning tickets, which are sold out of sequential order. Someone who did not frequently play the lottery may not even pay attention to the ticket number.
The few times I have been in that store, there has always been a small amount of tickets, and this has always concerned me. Whoever has been working the counter has said that there was a shortage, and there would be more tickets available soon. I should have listened to my subconscious about this. I knew something was wrong. The owner of this store needs to serve time in a federal prison, lose his license to operate as a lottery retailer, and should lose his business. He should be fined tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars. Due to the fact that the tickets may have been printed out of state, it might be an interstate investigation, and the FBI might want to know about this.
As I understand it, the tickets do not have to be paid for until they are validated. He may be finding the winners, validating them and paying for them. Then he might sell the unregistered tickets, and pay them out of his pocket. As I recall, I do not remember him scanning the tickets. He just quickly handed me another, when I turned in the free ticket. Perhaps he is in collusion with another retailer. He may have been buying tickets that had a small chance of winning for pennies on the dollar, and paying out any small winners without validating them. I am not certain about this, but I will have the cooperation of the GLC to resolve this matter. He might have gotten away with this with some people, but I am not one of them. I can and will pursue every legal and civil channel that I possibly can. Hopefully, I will put an end to his predatory practice.
That is certainly big time fraud. Thanks for doing this, and give updates on your quest to get justice.
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As far as i know when you are an agent for the lottery they don't give you ticket books to sell for them you the agent buys the books and sells them to the public. The lottery money the store takes in pays for the winners except of course the big money winners. So as an agent and owner of the tickets he/she can take whichever tickets they want since their paid for.I've seen store owners do this they take tickets from the front and back of the books that they like.I avoid buying tickets at these places I know do this.
Big John says. You don't hit the number. The number hits you!!!!
I'm not Big John, I'm Four4me, Big John's a friend. -
Quote: Originally posted by four4me on Dec 15, 2010
As far as i know when you are an agent for the lottery they don't give you ticket books to sell for them you the agent buys the books and sells them to the public. The lottery money the store takes in pays for the winners except of course the big money winners. So as an agent and owner of the tickets he/she can take whichever tickets they want since their paid for.I've seen store owners do this they take tickets from the front and back of the books that they like.I avoid buying tickets at these places I know do this.I do not know if this is true, then how can the lottery demand that you return the tickets if a game ends, or the store closes, or when they revoke your license to sell tickets? They would not have that right if they were not the owners of the tickets.
Don't worry, I will not be shopping there ever again, and I will do everything I possibly can to divert business away from them. What the clerk did was extremely unethical. He led me to believe that there was a winner in the pack, when he already knew it was gone. He should have told me up front that not all of the tickets were there.
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Keep us posted CarHauler -- I hope they get in trouble for this.
If he had bought the first 2 (001 and 000) and let the rest of them go, that would be one thing and you wouldnt know it.
But the fact that he 'burned both ends of the candle' is truly unfair.
However, keep in mind that 000 and 001 are not ALWAYS going to be winners. However, like you said, the clerk should have let you know that those 2 tickets had already been purchased.
I will be interested to see how this turns out and I will certainly stay away from that store.
One thing I try to be mindful of when purchasing scratchers is if there are 'loose' tickets laying around. One time I bought a $1 jr jumbo and I noticed the clerk grabbed a few of them laying in front of the roll instead of detaching from it. I also see where sometimes the tix are stuck into the roll and not attached. It could just be someone ordered these but changed their mind last minute but it could also mean a clerk (or owner as you say) is shifty.
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Don't believe everything you hear on here.
Un-cashed lottery scratch tickets belong to the purchaser of the books.
If a seller goes out of business the lottery claims all their equipment any moneys due to them they may reimburse the seller for unsold lottery tickets to clear their debt with them. Stores that sell lottery enter into a partnership with the lottery for ticket sales.
Some and i mean some places might get scratchoffs on consignment. As far as i know the lottery might ship books to a seller once the sellers enters the book number in the computer terminal they own that book of tickets. And books that aren't registered into the terminal are the property of the lottery.
A book of 50 tickets might have a 1 in 5 odds of winning but there might only be 6 winners in the whole book. The next book might have 10 winners and the next book might have 12. they print millions of tickets for a game and spread the winners out among all the printed tickets until all the prize odds are accounted for.
I've seen people buy and scratch ten tickets in a row and no winners and the next person buy 5 and get three winners in a row.
Big John says. You don't hit the number. The number hits you!!!!
I'm not Big John, I'm Four4me, Big John's a friend. -
Quote: Originally posted by four4me on Dec 15, 2010
Don't believe everything you hear on here.
Un-cashed lottery scratch tickets belong to the purchaser of the books.
If a seller goes out of business the lottery claims all their equipment any moneys due to them they may reimburse the seller for unsold lottery tickets to clear their debt with them. Stores that sell lottery enter into a partnership with the lottery for ticket sales.
Some and i mean some places might get scratchoffs on consignment. As far as i know the lottery might ship books to a seller once the sellers enters the book number in the computer terminal they own that book of tickets. And books that aren't registered into the terminal are the property of the lottery.
A book of 50 tickets might have a 1 in 5 odds of winning but there might only be 6 winners in the whole book. The next book might have 10 winners and the next book might have 12. they print millions of tickets for a game and spread the winners out among all the printed tickets until all the prize odds are accounted for.
I've seen people buy and scratch ten tickets in a row and no winners and the next person buy 5 and get three winners in a row.
It sounds to me like you are a very dirty retailer yourself, taking up for this guy, instead of telling me how to get his license revoked, For all I know, you might be this retailer.
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I can understand how you might feel that the book was not even distributed fairly, but its not always true that a decent winner is at the front/back of the book. For example, I have won $1,000 several times now and everyone of them was in the middle of the book range. I have won $500 probably 15-20 times and the majority of them were #'d 10-30 range.
I'm sure there thousands of retailers that have customers coming into their stores and scratching back-to-back losers, and as soon as they walk out the clerk buys the next one and gets a winner.
It's kind of like going into the store and asking the clerk "has anyone won anything big on xxx scratch-off recently"? and the Clerk says "No, not today"...
Are you saying thats an unfair advantage to other lottery players, since you were given this information? The store owner is obviously a scratch-off player also and he can buy the ones he wants.
I dont know, seems like a huge amount of time and effort you are putting into this for $40 bux??? Its not like you didn't have a chance to win.
Now, if you had a decent winner (say $100 +) and the clerk lied to you and said "hey you won $2.00" and he was trying to fraudulenty keep your winning ticket for himself, then I say go for it. I dont think what he did is illegal at all
PS: Why don't you just buy from a different store and never go to this guys store again?
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Quote: Originally posted by CarHauler on Dec 15, 2010
It sounds to me like you are a very dirty retailer yourself, taking up for this guy, instead of telling me how to get his license revoked, For all I know, you might be this retailer.
Now its starting to sound like you are just pissed off because you lost $40 bux.
You even stated yourself you knew which # ticket you were buying, so its not like the retailer gave you the wrong ticket. I have a feeling you would still be upset no matter what # the ticket was on, just because the retailer bought some himself and he "took your chance of winning".Tomorrow is another day, and there are thousands of other retailers in GA
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Let me clarify one thing. This guy never has more than a dozen tickets in his store at a time. As in he had five Jingle Jumbo Bucks it turns out, and a small stack of $1 tickets. One other time I was in there I bought the "last two of the book", and that was all of the tickets he had. Another time, I very intelligently passed up the offer to buy the very "last two" tickets of the book. The funny thing is that this time around they were tickets 028 and 029. If I had bought those and lost, I'd have been none the wiser. I guess the order of ticket sales changes for this guy, but I am about to call GLC.
One thought that has come to me is a very simple one. My guess is that this retailer has already had his license to sell tickets revoked, probably due to the owner's own compulsive gambling. I am speculating that he goes out and buys tickets that he thinks will be winners. He then finds the winning ticket as quickly as possible, and then sells the other ones to un-suspecting customers like me. This guarantees him near 100% profit! His only losses are the few tickets which he scratches before he loses. I thought it very interesting that the cashier wanted the winning tickets back right away. Another thing he did, and I think in retrospect he did this to make me have faithin his operation. He let me use an over-sized aluminum coin. It was lightweight, gold and was embossed with "Today could be the day", and the Georgia Lottery's website. For those that don't already know, that is our lottery's marketing phrase. My guess is that they either give those out to retailers, or to those that have gone to a district office to claim a ticket.
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Quote: Originally posted by B$Rizzle on Dec 15, 2010
Now its starting to sound like you are just pissed off because you lost $40 bux.
You even stated yourself you knew which # ticket you were buying, so its not like the retailer gave you the wrong ticket. I have a feeling you would still be upset no matter what # the ticket was on, just because the retailer bought some himself and he "took your chance of winning".Tomorrow is another day, and there are thousands of other retailers in GA
No, actually I spent more than that at other retailers and lost all of my money. I even wasted money on another $20 ticket. All in all, I lost around $90 yesterday, but that was after shopping at this one place. The one and only reason that I am upset with this guy is that the tickets were missing, and out of order. If I had spent $70, and had purchased all 7 (numbered 006, 005, 004, 003, 002, 001, 000) and lost, I would have been fine with that. At least I would have known that it was my own fault. That is just how the lottery goes. But you cannot burn the candle at both ends.
How would you like to go order a brand new car with all of the options, and pay for it ahead of time, then come to find out it had manual windows instead of power windows, had a 3.0 liter v-6 instead of the 5.3L V-8 you thought you were getting. You also had no spare tire, and the car was delivered to you with half of the amount of oil and water that was supposed to be in there. I could not have possibly won, the owner knew this ahead of time, and sold tickets with very little chance of winning.
Now having said that, I will bet anyone on here that if I can get GLC to help me, and I can come up with proof of this, IE they have paid out on this ticket, or can otherwise confirm this, I will bet a lifetimes worth of winnings to anyone that ticket number 844-282299-001 or ticket number 844-282299-000 won at least $50. I will bet a years worth of winning that it won $100. Any takers?
My main point about this person taking up for him is that either a) he is a retailer engaged in the same activity, or b) he just has no idea what he is talking about, or c)most of the posters on LP don't know what they are talking about.
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"This guarantees him near 100% profit!"
carhauler, it is the lottery. Dont for one second think that he is gaurenteed his profits back by buying which ones he "thinks" will be winners..
On a side note, I won a jackpot on a $10 scratch-off 2 years ago in Florida. Ticket # 003....if I went by your logic and thought only the first 3 (000,001,002) were winners, I would have never won the amount that I did. The lottery is very random. Most of the $10 and $20 games here in FL usually have 10-20 TOP PRIZES per game. Do you really think that all of the TOP prizes are at the beginning or end of a roll?
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Please Please help LotteryPost!!!! I just accidentally hit control V instead of control C, after I had hi-lighted the post and was going to put it into Word to save before posting! That erased everything I had just written over the last 30 minutes. The restore button failed to help me!!!! Help!!! Those dams restores happen way too fast!!! I did not have time to realize my mistake, before it saved a new restore point, overwriting all of my hard work. Those restore points do not need to be more often than once a minute!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What do I do???????????????
Is there ANY WAY THAT THIS CAN BE RESTORED?
I have not hit the submit button yet.
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Quote: Originally posted by CarHauler on Dec 15, 2010
Please Please help LotteryPost!!!! I just accidentally hit control V instead of control C, after I had hi-lighted the post and was going to put it into Word to save before posting! That erased everything I had just written over the last 30 minutes. The restore button failed to help me!!!! Help!!! Those dams restores happen way too fast!!! I did not have time to realize my mistake, before it saved a new restore point, overwriting all of my hard work. Those restore points do not need to be more often than once a minute!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What do I do???????????????
Is there ANY WAY THAT THIS CAN BE RESTORED?
I have not hit the submit button yet.
ouch.
i hate when that happens.
did you try Control Z (undo)?
Otherwise I dont know what you could try
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Quote: Originally posted by TheOtherOne on Dec 15, 2010
ouch.
i hate when that happens.
did you try Control Z (undo)?
Otherwise I dont know what you could try
Thank you very much! I owe you one. I did not know that command existed. Undo is not a right click context menu item in LP, so I did not know there was a way, other than the restore button, which failed me. Thanks a million! I hope you hit the jackpot in whatever you play! That got it back. I am sure that if I had hit submit, it would have been gone forever.