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Posted: December 15, 2010, 5:18 pm - IP Logged

Thank you very much! I owe you one. I did not know that command existed. Undo is not a right click context menu item in LP, so I did not know there was a way, other than the restore button, which failed me. Thanks a million! I hope you hit the jackpot in whatever you play! That got it back. I am sure that if I had hit submit, it would have been gone forever.

Nice! I am glad it worked!

I hope you hit the next JP as well, and congrats on the $150 hit too!

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    In response to b$Rizzle, No I don't think all of the prizes are at the first of the roll, just a quite a few of them. All I asked was for honesty, but I did not ask, it was implied. I have trusted the lottery up until this point. Not to win in every certain number of tickets, but to be given a fair chance. Think about it for a moment, if the last tickets in the book never had any big winners in them, then they would just sit on the shelf with no one buying them. I have over 60 that say that they usually win either within 3 or 4 tickets, or they go on long losing streaks and are followed by a couple of of low priced winners, and then they hit big. According to another lottery retailer, this should most definitely be investigated as fraud. This retailer also stated that the lottery only guarantees that each $300 book of tickets must  contain $180 worth of winners. This ticket has overall odds of 1 in 2.74.

    Think about that for a moment. If you have a $100 winner in a book, then you must have a size-able number of losing tickets. In this case, there would only be $80 left to pay out over the remaining 28 tickets! That is an average of $2.85 left to pay per other ticket, and each ticket sells for $10. That means that the lottery must sell 4 losing tickets for every $10 winner left in the roll. Or you could say that they have to sell 8 losing tickets for every $20 winner, just to break even on that roll. And guess what? The lottery is not involved in breaking even. They are there to make a profit. On the other hand, they can likewise give out nine $20 prizes spaced throughout the roll once every three tickets. You do the math.

    This is why ticket books that don't have big winners can afford to pay $20 every 3 tickets, and let me tell you, they do! If not $20, at least a free ticket, $10, or $15. If a book pays out a prize every three tickets, you can be almost assured that there is not a big winner in there, at least not over $50. And if there is a long losing streak followed by a couple of free tickets (or small prizes less than $20), then there is most likely a jingle bell in that pack.

    Notice I said most likely. I realize that nothing is guaranteed, but I just have my own experience to go by, and that of several retailers that I trust. You know the ones: they tell you to go home after a big win, because they have seen too many people lose that money right after winning it, blowing it all on more tickets. They have the courage, moral fortitude, and honesty to tell me that I probably won't make any more money on the games that I play, not until another book comes out.

    I have won big winners (to me at least, but not the great B$Rizzle, who anything less than a jackpot is chicken feed, and who because you won the jackpot knows everything about lotteries that are not even in your state) three times within 2 weeks, and guess what? They all followed the EXACT same pattern, and I have all of the tickets to prove it. I also have over $600 of other losers in this game alone, and canceled winners that the stations have let me keep. I will give you the odds of winning. Here they are:

    Jingle Jumbo Bucks

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    $10 tickets

    Overall odds: 1 in 2.74

    TICKET...1 in 10
    $10......1 in 30
    $15......1 in 10
    $20......1 in 15
    $25......1 in 40
    $30......1 in 50
    $40......1 in 375
    $50......1 in 150
    $100.....1 in 100
    $250.....1 in 3,750
    $500.....1 in 4,800
    $2,500...1 in 60,000
    $25,000..1 in 520,000
    $750,000..1 in 1,560,000

    Jingle Jumbo Bucks Winning Combinations

    Note that the $100 prize is more likely than the $40 or $50 prize. I HAVE figured out the pattern. You just have to hit the winner within 12 tickets to make a profit, assuming that there are two $15 winners in that string, and a $100 jingle bell. That also means that on average, there will be a winning Jingle bell every three or four packs of tickets, but the printing process is random, and the tickets are distributed across the state, so there is no guarantee.

    Of course I do not believe that ALL of the free tickets are at within the first three tickets. I won $100 jingle bell on #029, and have heard of people on this board winning on number 020 and 028. The only thing I have to go on is my own experience, and the experience of the clerks that have been honest with me. They sell more tickets than I buy, so I have to believe multiple clerks, which I have a good working relationship with, and my own experience. 

    They have all told me one thing: That the vast majority of the big winners they see are near the end or the beginning of the roll in this game. I can also tell you that I won $75 on ticket 019, and $150 on ticket 026, and $40 on ticket 052 on one of my favorite games, Holiday Gifts. But that is a $5 game. I do realize that the big winner can be anywhere in the book. I think there are more average sized wins in the same place, BUT I do realize that they put really big winners in odd places, on ticket numbers that are NOT usually winners. Except for number 052, in Holiday Gifts (which I have purchased over 100 of by the way), ticket numbers 026 do not usually win, and 019 usually wins, but only pays out a small amount. That keeps one person from figuring out the exact order of things.

    Can I be sure about the $100 winner in that pack? No, I cannot, but my experience, along with the experience of many retailers says that it probably won. I purchased number 006 because I had won $100 on it earlier in the day, but I was willing to purchase all of them if need be, and take my chances. I have purchased 12 in a row to get at a winner. It was either keep on trying, or lose $90. I choose to keep on trying. The clerk should not have told me that there were no big winners in the roll, and he should have been up front with me, and told me that he only had tickets number 002-006. if he had done that, then I would not have bought any, and he knows that.

    He just assumed that I was some big dummy that did not know when the roll ended. I have read too many times of dishonest clerks to not believe that they are out there. I am not a sheeple, and I will not just lie down and be butchered. I shop at a number of retailers, I go to over 20 different stores, and I have never had this happen before. In all fairness, of those 20, at least five are Shell stations, and none of the others have problems like this. This is the first time in three months of playing, and spending close to $2,000 in the lottery that I have ever had the last ticket in the roll be 002. I would guess that I have bought the end of the roll at least 50 times, and it has always been 000. Unless of course they were run backwards, in that case they have always been 014 on $20 tickets, 029 on $10 tickets, 059 on $5 tickets, 099 on $3 tickets, 149 on $2 tickets and finally, 299 on $1 tickets. Every other place. Every other time. Period. End of story.

    By the way, I left a message with the head of security at the Georgia Lottery's Atlanta district office. I will wait until I hear back from him before I call the Cobb County Sheriff's Office fraud division. I want to see if they have had other complaints of a similar nature about this retailer, and most importantly if he still has a license to sell tickets. I will not hesitate one second to put this slime-ballin prison if I can. B$Rizzle, you are missing the whole point. I should have had the opportunity to go to the end of the roll, that is what I paid for. He should have just been honest instead of selling me this false hope. He should have said "look man, I have this number 006 ticket, but I gotta tell you, tickets 001 and 000 are already taken." Then if I bought the tickets, shame on me.

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       I think you should contact a lottery official . they will check all of this out for you. they have ways to control and find out if this is what has happened.. But please don't involve your children in this.. I know your pissed and I would be as well..  Good Luck to you and I hope this matter gets resolved soon..

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         I think you should contact a lottery official . they will check all of this out for you. they have ways to control and find out if this is what has happened.. But please don't involve your children in this.. I know your pissed and I would be as well..  Good Luck to you and I hope this matter gets resolved soon..

        Clark Howard is a leading consumer advocate, he is a nationally syndicated talk show host, and the home is WSB radio 750 AM, and 95.5 FM. He even has his own television show, I do believe that it is on CNN. He has recommended numerous times that someone should picket dishonest businesses, and he has asked callers if they have any young children. One caller replied that he had small grandchildren. Clark replied that he should first check out local laws regarding picketing, city ordinances and such, to make sure that he was not breaking any laws.

        He then suggested taking his grandchildren to gain more sympathy, having them also hold signs (if they are old enough). I know that having my 6 year old has helped me sell tomatoes and other things at my roadside stand, I have had people tell me this. Clark recommended that the children would help gain more sympathy, and that the business owner would not want the negative publicity, and would most likely do whatever was right to fix the problem. I want a full refund of the tickets which I purchased, that had no chance of winning. Otherwise, I want the other two tickets, and to be paid whatever the winning amount on them was. I will be willing to pay the $20 for them.

        I am waiting on the head of security at the GLC to call me back. I left him a message with my name and phone number, and stated that I was calling about the shell station, and gave the full address. I am waiting to hear back from him, but we are having freezing rain here, so he probably went home early. My wife just came back from the store, and she said that she almost slid off the road going over a bridge. I know it is dangerous, but I love ice storms. They are facinating to me. I love hearing branches break off of trees. It is God's way of thin out the weak. I sure am glad that we have underground utilities.

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          I did it again, except I waited too late to edit my post. The save changes button was pressed past the 20 minute mark, but I began typing before the 20 minute limit was up. The 20 minutes in my opinion should begin once the edit button has been pressed, that should be taken into consideration. I wish that when you had to press the back button that it would at least allow you to go back to where you were, so you could cut and paste the information into another file, or re-post it as a new post instead of editing that one. I thought moderators liked to keep posts to a minimum, and that they would rather you edit what you have, than make a new post. Oh well, you live and you learn. My guess is that they don't want people to make predictions, and then change them to suit their needs when the outcome is not what they wanted.

          I should have saved these responses as well. I guess I could dump all of my physical memory into the pagefile, then dual boot into my other Server 2003 boot option (I have dual boot of the same OS and favorites, web-sites, etc. That way if my RAID array is to fail, or I was to get a virus, I can boot up immediately to the other hard drives, and thus I have redundancy, so that I cannot be offline for more than about two minutes, at the most). I could then read the pagefile in a text editor, and hope the data was there, but in retrospect, it will be easier to type it from my physical memory, my brain! Now if I can get it to work. Here we go.

          OK, I was going to post that there very likely may be a video recording of the owner of the other tickets turning them in. Either that or a cashier that has to testify under oath as to who turned the winning tickets in. I don't expect the cashiers are going to remember everyone that plays, but they probably will remember the big winners, and be able to pick them out of a photo lineup. If he has been so stupid as to turn in the winners before selling the bad ones, that will be proof of his wrongdoing. I hope that the owner of this store that is ripping people off gets a really large cell mate named Bubba, and I hope that Bubba is extremely gay, and has a very strong sex drive. 'Nuff said.

          I expect that I will find out that this retailer was not even authorized to sell these tickets. They may well have come from another store. Think about it. If he purchased the last 10 tickets from another retailer, and started scratching at number 000 and 010, working his way inward, so he would have a good chance of hitting. Then all he has to do is sell the remaining tickets. There is a very good chance that he will find the winner this way, and he could sell the tickets left, increasing his profit.

          Please answer this question for me: 

          Can either you or I go to a retailer, buy 10 tickets, turn in a $100 winner from that pack, and then ask them to buy back the remaining tickets?

          No, of course no retailer would do this, but he is doing the reverse to me and other unsuspecting customers. That would explain why he never has more than 6 tickets of any game, at any one time. He also never has more than 2 different games at any one time. Does this even sound like a legitimate lottery retailer? Every other retailer I go to usually has at least a dozen different games at any given time, and at least half of them have at least half to a full roll of tickets. In retrospect I should have known better, and I will never shop there again. If someone raped your daughter on a date, wouldn't you do everything you could to have him locked up? Not only to pay for what he did to your daughter, but to keep other girls safe from him?

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            I stopped reading after your cheap jab here:

            "I have won big winners (to me at least, but not the great B$Rizzle, whoanything less than a jackpot is chicken feed, and who because you wonthe jackpot knows everything about lotteries that are not even in your state) three times within 2 weeks, and guess what?"

             

            You started a thread and wanted to discuss what happened, yet when people try to give you feedback or have a discussion you make cheap jabs? I 'm not even going to waste my time with this anymore. You also made a jab towards another LP member on the first page. Why write a book about something if you dont want to hear other peoples opinions?

             

            Im done.

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              I can understand how you might feel that the book was not even distributed fairly, but its not always true that a decent winner is at the front/back of the book. For example, I have won $1,000 several times now and everyone of them was in the middle of the book range. I have won $500 probably 15-20 times and the majority of them were #'d 10-30 range.

               

              I'm sure there thousands of retailers that have customers coming into their stores and scratching back-to-back losers,  and as soon as they walk out the clerk buys  the next one and gets a winner.

               

              It's kind of like going into the store and asking the clerk "has anyone won anything big on xxx scratch-off recently"?  and the Clerk says "No, not today"...

              Are you saying thats an unfair advantage to other lottery players, since you were given this information? The store owner is obviously a scratch-off player also and he can buy the ones he wants.

              I dont know, seems like a huge amount of time and effort you are putting into this for $40 bux??? Its not like you didn't have a chance to win.

              Now, if you had a decent winner (say $100 +) and the clerk lied to you and said "hey you won $2.00" and he was trying to fraudulenty keep your winning ticket for himself, then I say go for it. I dont think what he did is illegal at all

               

              PS: Why don't you just buy from a different store and never go to this guys store again?

              Sorry, I did not read this post before I responded to your next post. I will respond to it now, part by part, because you bring up a lot of good points.

              I can understand how you might feel that the book was not even distributed fairly, but its not always true that a decent winner is at the front/back of the book. For example, I have won $1,000 several times now and every one of them was in the middle of the book range. I have won $500 probably 15-20 times and the majority of them were #'d 10-30 range.

              I understand this. All I wanted is to have a fair chance. Buying from both ends of the book unfairly disenfranchises the customers of the store. If the tickets were all still there and in unbroken order, we would not be having this discussion. I would have just said oh well, I just had a bad day.

              If you don't mind, will you post the price range of the tickets that you are talking about? Were most of the $500 winners $10 tickets, for example? Were the $1,000 winners all $20 tickets? Most importantly, how many tickets are in each book, or are they all $300 per book, like in GA? The $500 winners, were they in books of 30 tickets? Are your tickets in Florida printed By Scientific Games?

              I'm sure there thousands of retailers that have customers coming into their stores and scratching back-to-back losers,  and as soon as they walk out the clerk buys  the next one and gets a winner.

              I have already thought of that, and I have absolutely no problem with that. You snooze, you lose. If I were a lottery retailer, I would definitely do this. At least in Georgia, there is no law against retailers buying tickets. The law prevents people directly employed by the lottery, those printing the tickets, and those involved in promoting the lottery, and members of their immediate family and those living at their address from playing, but not clerks.

              But here is the problem: I never left the store, and I scratched all of my tickets in the front of the store. I was too busy scratching, and quite frankly too excited to notice that there were no more tickets when I bought the last two. If I had seen an empty bin, I would not have purchased them. I do recall that he physically positioned himself between the ticket bin and me after he pulled them from the bin, so that I could not see that the bin was empty. I did not think anything of it at the time. It was not until I asked for another ticket that I noticed. I said that I hoped these won, but he then stated that I had just purchased the last tickets in the book, which we all know was a lie. He knew that the last two tickets were not there, so therefore he is involved in a conspiracy with the owner.

              It's kind of like going into the store and asking the clerk "has anyone won anything big on xxx scratch-off recently"?  And the Clerk says "No, not today"...

              Clerks usually will have an answer like "I just started working, so I don't really know." Sometimes that is a completely honest answer, but I am of the opinion that if there was a big winner, it would most likely be disclosed by the person going off the shift to the next person coming on. After a certain dollar amount, depending on how busy the store is, will always be big news to the employees. Whether that is a $75 winner, a $100 winner or a $250 winner, I don’t know.

              It all depends on the honesty of the clerk. One clerk pointed me to Jingle Jumbo Bucks one day, and he said it was a good game. I already knew it could pay well. Based on his advice, but being somewhat skeptical of the first ticket, I purchased it anyway. It was number 029, and it won a $100 jingle bell. Still to this day I do not know if this clerk had any knowledge of the winner ahead of time. I doubt it, but it leaves me wondering. This is one of the clerks that I have a good relationship with. Some tickets never seem to win on the last two tickets in the roll, and when you ask a clerk if they have seen a winner on that number, they will usually honestly tell you not really that often. But many of them have the story of the last ticket which won $500, $5,000 or some other big number.

              I actually did not ask the clerk about any big winners. He is the one that brought it up. He said that there have not been any big winners in this roll, and most of the winners had been a free ticket or small winners under $20. He tried his hardest to convince me that a big winner was just around the corner, and urged me to buy it. I didn’t even ask whether there had been any big winners, he just blurted it out.

              Are you saying that’s an unfair advantage to other lottery players, since you were given this information? The store owner is obviously a scratch-off player also and he can buy the ones he wants.

              The store owner can buy a whole book if he wants. He can buy half a book, 10 tickets, two or one. He does need to be bound by the same rules as everyone else. He needs to buy however many tickets he wants, but he needs to buy them in consecutive order, just like everyone else. As long as he does this, I am fine with it. He does not, however need to be cherry picking tickets out of order as he sees fit. Try going to a lottery retailer and asking for tickets 029, 028, 025, 020, 019, 015, 010, 009, 005, 001 and 000. They would laugh you out of the store.

              I was given the ticket number that was next. I inquired, and he told me that it was number 006, and went on about there not being any big winners in the whole roll. I was not told that two tickets were missing. It was a bald faced lie when he told me that ticket 002 was the last ticket in the book.

              I don’t know, seems like a huge amount of time and effort you are putting into this for $40 bux??? Its not like you didn't have a chance to win.

              If someone tried to kill you, and you suspected that he was a serial killer, would you not turn him in just because he only nicked you with the knife, and you got away? You were barely hurt, but you could identify someone who was wanted, unidentified at large stabbing and killing people. He was wanted for 10 other murders and two near fatalities, but seeing as how you could put a little Neosporin on the wound and a Band-Aid, you would not turn him in? He is a predator. Probably the same type of person that takes the life savings of elderly people through scams. I still have over $100 dedicated to the lottery to re-invest, so it is not like I am out of money to play.

              It is not just about the money. It is the whole point of it that is so important. It is being lied to while looking him in the eyes, and then finally telling the truth. The lottery takes enough money from people without a dishonest clerk making it worse. At least the actual ticket printing is audited. I would not be complaining if all 7 tickets were there and I lost, but I paid for advertised odds, odds that could not possibly be delivered.

              Did I have a chance to win? I won two free tickets, which I intended to use to get to the likely prize. Sure, anything is possible. Maybe there are three $750,000 top prizes in the same book, but I seriously doubt it. If there was a $100 winner on one of the first tickets, then no, there was almost no chance that there would be another $100 or even $50 winner in those tickets. If there was another $100 ticket, then that would probably mean that there were no other winners in the book period. I seriously doubt that.

              Now, if you had a decent winner (say $100 +) and the clerk lied to you and said "hey you won $2.00" and he was trying to fraudulently keep your winning ticket for himself, then I say go for it. I dont think what he did is illegal at all

              He illegally betrayed the trust of the lottery. If I had to go on this one experience alone, I would never play the lottery again. This is a very serious matter, and it should not be trivialized, just because it was only $40. What if it had been $80? Would that be enough to warrant an investigation? Based upon your theory, I should be able to fill up my gas tank and drive off without paying. Based upon your theory, I should be able to ask how many tickets he had left, and then tell the cashier that I wanted them all. I could pretend to be going through my pockets, and when he sets the tickets down, grab them and run off. Is that what you are saying? Maybe I should buy 4 more tickets and pay for them with counterfeit money, based upon your theory. After all, he might be able to spend them somewhere else, if he could get away with it. What you are suggesting is that I just bend over and take this ticket fraud.

              PS: Why don't you just buy from a different store and never go to this guys store again?

              Don't worry, I will never shop there again, but I am going to do everything humanly and legally possible to shut down his lottery business, and his store if possible. I will sue him for every penny that I possibly can, and finally, I will try my hardest to put this man in prison, where he belongs. He doesn't deserve to be in business, let alone selling lottery tickets. It is very hard for me to imagine that this man is free, preying on the unknowing victims that accidentally wander into his store. I have worked too hard all of my life to spend money on a game that has no chance of winning. At least the odds are still there if the tickets present are in unbroken order.

              Being involved with the owner, and knowingly selling those tickets makes the clerk guilty of not only fraud, but conspiracy to commit fraud. I see prison in this mans future, I really do. I will probably have to spend more money to take him to court, at least for filing fees, and possibly attorneys fees, depending on whether or not my friend charges me or not, or whether I decide to represent myself. There will probably be a fee for swearing out a warrant before a magistrate. I have to take time out of my day to go and do all of this, but it will be worth it in the end, if I can prevent him from victimizing more people. Seemingly a forgotten concept, I actually care for my fellow mankind.

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                Now its starting to sound like you are just pissed off because you lost $40 bux.


                You even stated yourself you knew which # ticket you were buying, so its not like the retailer gave you the wrong ticket. I have a feeling you would still be upset no matter what # the ticket was on, just because the retailer bought some himself and he "took your chance of winning".

                 

                Tomorrow is another day, and there are thousands of other retailers in GA

                I read this post and somehow missed your first one. I just naturally assumed that you were trying to insult me. I did not intend on insulting anyone on here, I just felt like you were trying to make me look like an idiot. I obviously do not have anywhere near the experience that you have, so please forgive me for over-reacting. The truth is that I am new to all of this, and I thought you were trying to belittle me. I just got a little <snip>y after these back to back wins and got a big head.

                You have some very impressive wins, and I hope one day to have some like that. You obviously know what you are doing. Sometimes I speak before I think about what I am saying, and in this case I typed it. I would love to know some of your secrets. I dream every day of finding a winner bigger than $150. I want to win $200 so I can be equal to MattfromPA, then we can have a contest to see which one of us makes it to $250 or $500 first. But first I have to equal his $200 winner.

                But seriously, you must spend a fair amount on the lottery. Are you a lottery retailer, or have you ever been? Do you know any lottery retailers on a personal level, above what you would know from talking to a cashier? Are you related to anyone that is a retailer? Have you ever been involved in the printing or marketing of tickets? How long have you been playing? Which $10 game did you win the jackpot on, and how much was it? How much did you actually get to keep after taxes? Did you start playing big before or after your jackpot winner? Do you ever buy whole books of tickets, and if so, how often and what price tickets do you usually buy?

                I am not trying to be nosy or a spy, I just want to do better on the lottery. To me $150 is a decent win, but not anywhere near where I want to be. I dream much, much bigger. Some people might think $150 is a giant win, and others might not think too much about it, especially someone who won at Powerball, for example. I need all of the help I can get. I have in the past and still am willing to freely share all of my experienceshere, even as limited as it might be. I don't know it all. I don't really know very much in reality, but I like to make myself think that I do. If I have helped anyone, it makes me feel a whole lot better. I know that I have received a whole lot of help from the members here.

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                  I stopped reading after your cheap jab here:

                  "I have won big winners (to me at least, but not the great B$Rizzle, whoanything less than a jackpot is chicken feed, and who because you wonthe jackpot knows everything about lotteries that are not even in your state) three times within 2 weeks, and guess what?"

                   

                  You started a thread and wanted to discuss what happened, yet when people try to give you feedback or have a discussion you make cheap jabs? I 'm not even going to waste my time with this anymore. You also made a jab towards another LP member on the first page. Why write a book about something if you dont want to hear other peoples opinions?

                   

                  Im done.

                  What I said about 4X4, I still want to know where he gets his information. I am not saying that he is wrong, what I am saying is that either he is wrong, or many other posters on LP are wrong. The truth of the matter is that I am not 100% certain who owns the packs, and I freely admit it, but he was presenting his opinion as fact, even though he stated that he has never been a lottery retailer, nor could he cite where he got his information. Saying that you have seen owners scratch books from both ends does not make it right or legal. Try telling a police officer that everyone else was speeding and see how far that gets you. 

                  I am just trying to get to the truth.

                  I will try and be more careful not to insult people. The truth of the matter is that I have gone nearly insane over the last two days. I usually record my tickets before I even scratch them, and then finish filling in the information as I scratch them. I haven't even put any winners or losers into my iDailyDiary (a daily diary program - it is great for use along with Excel for keeping up with lottery purchases and winnings - best of all it is free) for the last couple of days. I have gotten so far behind. I think that I have lost $90 over the last two days, but it may be as much as $115. I don't even know. Sorry to anyone else that I have insulted, unknowingly or otherwise.

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                    TITLE 50.  STATE GOVERNMENT 
                    CHAPTER 27.  LOTTERY FOR EDUCATION 
                    ARTICLE 1.  GENERAL PROVISIONS
                    O.C.G.A. § 50-27-20  (2010)
                    § 50-27-20.  Cancellation, suspension, revocation, or termination of retail contracts 


                       (a) Any retail contract executed by the corporation pursuant to this chapter shall specify the reasons for which a contract may be canceled, suspended, revoked, or terminated by the corporation, which reasons shall include but not be limited to:

                       (1) Commission of a violation of this chapter, a regulation, or a policy or procedure of the corporation;

                       (2) Failure to accurately or timely account for lottery tickets, lottery games, revenues, or prizes as required by the corporation;

                       (3) Commission of any fraud, deceit, or misrepresentation;

                       (4) Insufficient sales;

                       (5) Conduct prejudicial to public confidence in the lottery;

                       (6) The retailer filing for or being placed in bankruptcy or receivership;

                       (7) Any material change as determined in the sole discretion of the corporation in any matter considered by the corporation in executing the contract with the retailer; or

                       (8) Failure to meet any of the objective criteria established by the corporation pursuant to this chapter.

                    (b) If, in the discretion of the chief executive officer or his designee cancellation, denial, revocation, suspension, or rejection of renewal of a lottery retailer contract is in the best interest of the lottery, the public welfare, or the State of Georgia, the chief executive officer or his designee may cancel, suspend, revoke, or terminate, after notice and a right to a hearing, any contract issued pursuant to this chapter. Such contract may, however, be temporarily suspended by the chief executive officer or his designee without prior notice pending any prosecution, hearing, or investigation, whether by a third party or by the chief executive officer. A contract may be suspended, revoked, or terminated by the chief executive officer or his designee for any one or more of the reasons enumerated in this Code section. Any hearing held shall be conducted by the chief executive officer or his designee. A party to the contract aggrieved by the decision of the chief executive officer or his designee may appeal the adverse decision to the board. Such appeal shall be pursuant to the regulations, policies, and procedures set by the board and is not subject to Chapter 13 of this title, the "Georgia Administrative Procedure Act."


                    O.C.G.A. § 50-27-20

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                      TITLE 50.  STATE GOVERNMENT 
                      CHAPTER 27.  LOTTERY FOR EDUCATION 
                      ARTICLE 1.  GENERAL PROVISIONS
                      O.C.G.A. § 50-27-20  (2010)
                      § 50-27-20.  Cancellation, suspension, revocation, or termination of retail contracts 


                         (a) Any retail contract executed by the corporation pursuant to this chapter shall specify the reasons for which a contract may be canceled, suspended, revoked, or terminated by the corporation, which reasons shall include but not be limited to:

                         (1) Commission of a violation of this chapter, a regulation, or a policy or procedure of the corporation;

                         (2) Failure to accurately or timely account for lottery tickets, lottery games, revenues, or prizes as required by the corporation;

                         (3) Commission of any fraud, deceit, or misrepresentation;

                         (4) Insufficient sales;

                         (5) Conduct prejudicial to public confidence in the lottery;

                         (6) The retailer filing for or being placed in bankruptcy or receivership;

                         (7) Any material change as determined in the sole discretion of the corporation in any matter considered by the corporation in executing the contract with the retailer; or

                         (8) Failure to meet any of the objective criteria established by the corporation pursuant to this chapter.

                      (b) If, in the discretion of the chief executive officer or his designee cancellation, denial, revocation, suspension, or rejection of renewal of a lottery retailer contract is in the best interest of the lottery, the public welfare, or the State of Georgia, the chief executive officer or his designee may cancel, suspend, revoke, or terminate, after notice and a right to a hearing, any contract issued pursuant to this chapter. Such contract may, however, be temporarily suspended by the chief executive officer or his designee without prior notice pending any prosecution, hearing, or investigation, whether by a third party or by the chief executive officer. A contract may be suspended, revoked, or terminated by the chief executive officer or his designee for any one or more of the reasons enumerated in this Code section. Any hearing held shall be conducted by the chief executive officer or his designee. A party to the contract aggrieved by the decision of the chief executive officer or his designee may appeal the adverse decision to the board. Such appeal shall be pursuant to the regulations, policies, and procedures set by the board and is not subject to Chapter 13 of this title, the "Georgia Administrative Procedure Act."


                      O.C.G.A. § 50-27-20

                      There it is. Georgia law. Not my opinion, but actual facts which are irrefutable.

                      In my opinion, this dishonest store probably already has its license pulled. If not, I imagine it will be soon. I need to see if he is in any violation of any cease and desist orders. The three bold items are conduct that this store has clearly demonstrated.

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                        I can understand how you might feel that the book was not even distributed fairly, but its not always true that a decent winner is at the front/back of the book. For example, I have won $1,000 several times now and everyone of them was in the middle of the book range. I have won $500 probably 15-20 times and the majority of them were #'d 10-30 range.

                         

                        I'm sure there thousands of retailers that have customers coming into their stores and scratching back-to-back losers,  and as soon as they walk out the clerk buys  the next one and gets a winner.

                         

                        It's kind of like going into the store and asking the clerk "has anyone won anything big on xxx scratch-off recently"?  and the Clerk says "No, not today"...

                        Are you saying thats an unfair advantage to other lottery players, since you were given this information? The store owner is obviously a scratch-off player also and he can buy the ones he wants.

                        I dont know, seems like a huge amount of time and effort you are putting into this for $40 bux??? Its not like you didn't have a chance to win.

                        Now, if you had a decent winner (say $100 +) and the clerk lied to you and said "hey you won $2.00" and he was trying to fraudulenty keep your winning ticket for himself, then I say go for it. I dont think what he did is illegal at all

                         

                        PS: Why don't you just buy from a different store and never go to this guys store again?

                        I Agree!

                        http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/231108 My Definite Double System

                        http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/231369 My P4 to P3 Pair System

                         http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/233360 My Digit 9 Significance System

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                          Let me clarify one thing. This guy never has more than a dozen tickets in his store at a time. As in he had five Jingle Jumbo Bucks it turns out, and a small stack of $1 tickets. One other time I was in there I bought the "last two of the book", and that was all of the tickets he had. Another time, I very intelligently passed up the offer to buy the very "last two" tickets of the book. The funny thing is that this time around they were tickets 028 and 029. If I had bought those and lost, I'd have been none the wiser. I guess the order of ticket sales changes for this guy, but I am about to call GLC.

                          One thought that has come to me is a very simple one. My guess is that this retailer has already had his license to sell tickets revoked, probably due to the owner's own compulsive gambling. I am speculating that he goes out and buys tickets that he thinks will be winners. He then finds the winning ticket as quickly as possible, and then sells the other ones to un-suspecting customers like me. This guarantees him near 100% profit! His only losses are the few tickets which he scratches before he loses. I thought it very interesting that the cashier wanted the winning tickets back right away. Another thing he did, and I think in retrospect he did this to make me have faithin his operation. He let me use an over-sized aluminum coin. It was lightweight, gold and was embossed with "Today could be the day", and the Georgia Lottery's website. For those that don't already know, that is our lottery's marketing phrase. My guess is that they either give those out to retailers, or to those that have gone to a district office to claim a ticket.

                          It doesn't matter HOW many tickets he has..I'm a manager at a gas station (not the owner) and the owners usually only had 5-8 books of tickets at a time. Why? Because they are low on money because they put so much $ into the store with repairs that the PREVIOUS owners did fix. Yes it is wrong that the remaining 2 tickets were missing, but its not for SURE they were winners. The owner can do what he wants with them, he paid for them.  When the retailers buy the tickets, it comes out of their bank account, and then they make there money after selling the tickets. I just advise you to not go back and urge friends to not go there, but I wouldn't make it into a bigger deal.

                          http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/231108 My Definite Double System

                          http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/231369 My P4 to P3 Pair System

                           http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/233360 My Digit 9 Significance System

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                            It doesn't matter HOW many tickets he has..I'm a manager at a gas station (not the owner) and the owners usually only had 5-8 books of tickets at a time. Why? Because they are low on money because they put so much $ into the store with repairs that the PREVIOUS owners did fix. Yes it is wrong that the remaining 2 tickets were missing, but its not for SURE they were winners. The owner can do what he wants with them, he paid for them.  When the retailers buy the tickets, it comes out of their bank account, and then they make there money after selling the tickets. I just advise you to not go back and urge friends to not go there, but I wouldn't make it into a bigger deal.

                            It doesn't matter HOW many tickets he has..I'm a manager at a gas station (not the owner) and the owners usually only had 5-8 books of tickets at a time.

                            Yes, but I bet you have several hundred tickets altogether, not less than a dozen. I would think nothing of a store that had 8 books of tickets, especially if it was in a slow area. I have been in this store three times, over the period of a couple months. The first time, I bought the "last two" tickets he had, in the entire store. Meaning that after I bought two $1 tickets, he had no more tickets to sell. The second time he had less than 10 tickets for sale, altogether. He had the "last two" Jingle Jumbo Bucks, and about $5 worth of $1 tickets. I did not purchase any that day. I bet it was the other half of the roll that I purchased from.

                            The last time I was there, he had "the last" of the Jingle Jumbo Bucks, and he told me there had been no winners other than small prizes or free tickets. I bought them, and there was only five $10 tickets, and four or five 5 $1 tickets. In the three times that I have been in there, his total combined inventory was worth less than $100. I mean that is the combined net worth of three days worth of tickets, or put another way, in any given day, he has on average less than $30 worth of lottery tickets. Are you going to tell me that the lottery is going to let someone operate who over the course of three days sells less than $100 worth of tickets? This is not some far away store in a mountain community. This is on one of the busiest streets in Cobb County, and feeds I-285, and is close to I-75. If you don't live in Georgia, I will tell you that Cobb county had a population of 714,692, as of 2009. This is according to the US census.

                            I am going to talk to GLC, Cobb County Sheriffs Office Fraud Division, Cobb County Solicitors Office, State and Federal Attorneys General, FBI(RICO violations), GBI(violation of GA law), and ATF (he does sell alcohol and tobacco). I am NOT!!! going to be screwed by this guy. I am going to report him to all of these agencies for criminal investigations, assuming GLC says there is a problem (I am going on the good faith assumption that they will investigate this fully). He picked the wrong guy to sell bad tickets to. I WILL NOT just take it and give up and go away. He will be the one going away to federal prison, I hope. Maybe the feds will really nail this sucker. Why would I give in, when this guy robbed  me?

                            This violates Georgia law and RICO statutes, and I do not understand what people don't understand about this. One thing I forgot to mention is that when I stepped outside to make a call after this happened, he made a frantic call, and hurried up to get off the phone when I went back in to complain. Thank God I have at least the first winner of a free ticket's information, proving that I purchased it.

                            I am also going to sue him in small claims court, or perhaps state or federal court. I will do whatever my attorney tells me I can do. I fully expect a judge or jury to rule in my favor. I think that any reasonable Judge or Jury will award me a full refund of the ticket price. As part of the discovery process, I will be able to determine what the value of the missing tickets which I was entitled to purchase, but were illegally removed, causing serious harm to the public trust of the lottery. I also expect that they will cover reasonable attorneys fees, and a nice hefty punitive damages award. Perhaps a good judge will decide that I lost the possibility of a prize, which could be up to $750,000. That should send a large enough message to dishonest lottery retailers that they might want to rethink committing the act of ticket fraud.

                            YOU CANNOT SELL TICKETS WITH ODDS THAT DO NOT EXIST!!! WHEN TICKETS ARE REMOVED FROM EXACT SEQUENTIAL ORDER, THE ODDS ARE NO LONGER TRUE ODDS, AND THEY ARE NOT IN YOUR FAVOR. THEY ARE THEN SELLING FALSE HOPE! IF GLC DOES NOT HELP ME IN THIS MATTER, IT WILL COMPLETELY ERODE MY FAITH IN THE LOTTERY, AND THAT OF THE PUBLIC AT LARGE'S TRUST OF THE LOTTERY, AT LEAST EVERYONE I AM ABLE TO INFORM. I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT I SHOULD HAVE TO ASK EVERY LOTTERY RETAILER TO UNROLL THE TICKETS, AND SHOW ME THE OTHER END OF THE BOOK, AND PROVE THAT NO TICKETS ARE MISSING FROM THE ROLL.

                            You want to get screwed buddy, you go right ahead, but not me. I have lost enough money LEGALLY, that I REFUSE to lose money in an ILLEGAL LOTTERY CONSPIRACY! No way, it ain't gonna happen. Not to me at least.

                            I still have not had one single taker on my offer to bet me that at least one of the missing tickets did not have a minimum prize of $50. I will bet car titles as well, but the contract has to be legally enforceable, and a third party not related to either of us must oversee this.

                            I do keep every single loser that I have ever played, and many that have won. Most clerks will let you keep the canceled tickets, if you just ask. I still have the other tickets that I purchased from him previously. If those were illegally sold as well, that is even more charges.

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                              I think I will display yet even another GA law.

                              TITLE 50.  STATE GOVERNMENT 
                              CHAPTER 27.  LOTTERY FOR EDUCATION 
                              ARTICLE 1.  GENERAL PROVISIONS
                              O.C.G.A. § 50-27-23  (2010)
                              § 50-27-23.  Restrictions on sale of tickets or shares; price; gifts and promotions 


                                 (a) No person shall sell a ticket or share at a price other than established by the corporation unless authorized in writing by the chief executive officer. No person other than a duly certified lottery retailer shall sell lottery tickets, but this subsection shall not be construed to prevent a person who may lawfully purchase tickets or shares from making a gift of lottery tickets or shares to another. Nothing in this chapter shall be construed to prohibit the corporation from designating certain of its agents and employees to sell or give lottery tickets or shares directly to the public.

                              (b) Lottery tickets or shares may be given by merchants as a means of promoting goods or services to customers or prospective customers subject to prior approval by the corporation.

                              (c) No lottery retailer shall sell a lottery ticket or share except from the locations listed in his contract and as evidenced by his certificate of authorization unless the corporation authorizes in writing any temporary location not listed in his contract.

                              (d) No lottery tickets or shares shall be sold to persons under 18 years of age, but this Code section does not prohibit the purchase of a lottery ticket or share by a person 18 years of age or older for the purpose of making a gift to any person of any age. In such case, the corporation shall direct payment of proceeds of any lottery prize to an adult member of the person's family or a legal representative of the person on behalf of such person. The person named as custodian shall have the same powers and duties as prescribed for a custodian pursuant to Article 5 of Chapter 5 of Title 44.

                              HISTORY: Code 1981, § 50-27-23, enacted by Ga. L. 1992, p. 3173, § 2.


                              O.C.G.A. § 50-27-23