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Hi Guys,

Which "non-standard" filters do members use in Jackpot games to reduce lines? The standard filters are usually sums, even/odd, high/low etc. One I am using at the moment is groups of draws, using the last 15 draws, dividing into 5 sets of 3 (so 1-3 is one set, 4-6 is another set, etc) and limiting to a maximum of 4 numbers from these 14-18 numbers (duplicates eliminated) in my combination selected. Backtesting in my lotto has given a 9/10 success with this filter. I am looking to see how many more draws further back I can go to get more sets and more success without eliminating the winning combination. Which other "groups" of numbers do members use to filter?

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    Hi,

      A detailed 15 game example would be nice. *S*

    You are a slave to the choices you have made.  jk

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      Hi JKING,

      Example as requested, using SA Lotto History, 15 Draws BEFORE Saturdays draw.

      A
      22,24,30,31,41,48
      31,33,39,41,42,48
      2,9,11,14,27,32
      B
      6,8,30,31,42,48
      6,13,28,32,37,49
      2,3,11,16,30,37
      C
      6,19,24,26,38,49
      6,10,17,27,30,32
      1,8,15,24,40,42
      D
      1,9,23,27,28,31
      8,10,14,33,45,48
      7,17,34,37,38,39
      E
      18,22,33,35,41,46
      15,23,26,40,42,46
      12,19,25,26,28,40

      3 Draws in A gives -- 22, 24, 30, 31, 41, 48, 33, 39, 42,  2,  9, 11, 14, 27, 32 (3 duplicates eliminated)
      B gives --  6,  8, 30, 31, 42, 48, 13, 28, 32, 37, 49,  2,  3, 11, 16 (3 duplicates eliminated)
      C--  6, 19, 24, 26, 38, 49, 10, 17, 27, 30, 32,  1,  8, 15, 40, 42 (2 duplicates eliminated)
      D-- 1,  9, 23, 27, 28, 31,  8, 10, 14, 33, 45, 48,  7, 17, 34, 37, 38, 39 (0 duplicates eliminated)
      E-- 18, 22, 33, 35, 41, 46, 15, 23, 26, 40, 42, 12, 19, 25, 28 (3 duplicates eliminated)

      I use these sets to "filter" numbers, so a line of 6 will have no more than 3/4 from set A, or B etc.

      The numbers drawn on Saturday were: 10 12 26 39 40 44

      For saturday i could have used up to 69 draws, making 23 sets and non of those sets would have had more than 3 numbers matching the winning numbers, but hindsight is 20/20 :-)

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        Hello RAMIJANI, you could include in the study example
        Equal and equal 02,04,08,20,22 24,26...
        Odd and odd 11,13,15,17,19,31,....
        Equal and odd 01,03,05,07,09 ,23.....
        Odd and equal 12,14,16,18......
        RAMIJANI, to do of a lottery from 01 to 49, to complete the list (to classify)
        The where equal and pair is the digits of the right or endings and I type front
        These 4 conditions will always be the same numbers
        Example =
        01,05,24,32 ,37
        Equal and par=24
        Odd and impar=37
         Equal and impar=01,05
         Odd and equal =32
        To maintain your filter system and to also increase this with the endings AND
        to see the answer in the draw! ok

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          A 6 ball game has 15 pairs and 20 triples per drawing.

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            A 6 ball game has 15 pairs and 20 triples per drawing.

            Can you give an example?

            Gonna win.Big Smile

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              Can you give an example?

              Sure. Taken from Ramijami's list:

              22,24,30,31,41,48

              pairs22,2422,3022,3122,4122,48
              24,3024,3124,4124,4830,31
              30,4130,4831,4131,4841,48

               

              triples22,24,3022,24,3122,24,4122,24,4822,30,31
              22,30,4122,30,4822,31,4122,31,4822,41,48
              24,30,3124,30,4124,30,4824,31,4124,31,48
              24,41,4830,31,4130,31,4830,41,4831,41,48

              Type Twitch

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                Hi Ramajami,

                Your basic premise as I understand it is that you are expecting numbers at the next draw to have been drawn within the last 15 draws.  Without doing a back test I imagine this would be close to what is happening. So then the issue is - Is how can I best arrange the numbers?  I understand your grouping arrangements, but why don't you remove duplicates across the various number groups? No point having a number represented more than once is there? Second question - by which means do you arrange the numbers from these groups ie no more than 4 from one group etc? Thus is  this really a filtering type activity, or more an aggregating activity - not trying to be picky here - I just don't see this as a filtering process. Or perhaps I have it wrong what you are doing.

                cheers

                relowe

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                  Thanks Dr San.........looks like a useful filter and I will definitely add it to my toolbox.

                  time*treat, thanks for the suggestion and the breakdown. How would you use this information to filter? I am currently using the top 20 pairs and lowest 20 pairs to filter, but it's still new so haven't checked on it's success yet.

                  relowe........I am not using the 15 draws to select numbers, I use them to filter ALREADY selected numbers. For example, say I want to play combinations from my already selected numbers made up of 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 (an example only), only combinations that have 4 or less matching numbers would pass, 5 and 6 would fail. So using SET A as above : 22, 24, 30, 31, 41, 48, 33, 39, 42,  2,  9, 11, 14, 27, 32 ....... ALL combinations would pass as only 2 and 9 from the set would be together in any combinations (less than 4). Each Set (A - E or more etc) is treated as a unique set and comparisons made to it so even though a number might appear in multiple sets it is not treated as a duplicate. If the combination has more than 3/4 (still deciding which would be the best setting) matches in ANY SET then it fails the filter. Hope this helps

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                    Hi JKING,

                    Example as requested, using SA Lotto History, 15 Draws BEFORE Saturdays draw.

                    A
                    22,24,30,31,41,48
                    31,33,39,41,42,48
                    2,9,11,14,27,32
                    B
                    6,8,30,31,42,48
                    6,13,28,32,37,49
                    2,3,11,16,30,37
                    C
                    6,19,24,26,38,49
                    6,10,17,27,30,32
                    1,8,15,24,40,42
                    D
                    1,9,23,27,28,31
                    8,10,14,33,45,48
                    7,17,34,37,38,39
                    E
                    18,22,33,35,41,46
                    15,23,26,40,42,46
                    12,19,25,26,28,40

                    3 Draws in A gives -- 22, 24, 30, 31, 41, 48, 33, 39, 42,  2,  9, 11, 14, 27, 32 (3 duplicates eliminated)
                    B gives --  6,  8, 30, 31, 42, 48, 13, 28, 32, 37, 49,  2,  3, 11, 16 (3 duplicates eliminated)
                    C--  6, 19, 24, 26, 38, 49, 10, 17, 27, 30, 32,  1,  8, 15, 40, 42 (2 duplicates eliminated)
                    D-- 1,  9, 23, 27, 28, 31,  8, 10, 14, 33, 45, 48,  7, 17, 34, 37, 38, 39 (0 duplicates eliminated)
                    E-- 18, 22, 33, 35, 41, 46, 15, 23, 26, 40, 42, 12, 19, 25, 28 (3 duplicates eliminated)

                    I use these sets to "filter" numbers, so a line of 6 will have no more than 3/4 from set A, or B etc.

                    The numbers drawn on Saturday were: 10 12 26 39 40 44

                    For saturday i could have used up to 69 draws, making 23 sets and non of those sets would have had more than 3 numbers matching the winning numbers, but hindsight is 20/20 :-)

                    Hi,

                     Part of what you are doing is correct. You have created a 3 game distribution pattern in which you have found that typically no number will repeat twice in 3 games. And again typically, only one or two numbers will repeat once in 3 games. The problem with is that when you consider 15 games is that the likeyhood of repeating more than twice is very much higher.

                    in the California Fantasy 5 game for example:

                    The 3 game positional occurrence pattern is-

                                  1            2             3           4           5

                    0         320         304         245       141        29

                    1             0           16           74       177       227

                    2             0             0             1           2         58

                    3             0             0             0           0           6

                    The 15 game positional occurrence pattern is-

                                   1            2            3           4            5

                    0         155           37           4            1            0   

                    1         127          177         99          27           3

                    2           24            85        157       135          48

                    3             2              9          44       107         103

                    4             0              0            4         31           82

                    5             0              0            0           7           44

                    6             0              0            0           0           21

                    7             0              0            0           0             7

                    8             0              0            0           0             0

                    9             0              0            0           0             0

                    As you can see, 7 numbers hit 7 times in 15 games

                                              21 numbers hit 6 times in 15 games.....etc.

                    If you apply what I'm telling to the lottery game your playing...I think you will find it to be true. *S*

                    You are a slave to the choices you have made.  jk

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                      Thanks Dr San.........looks like a useful filter and I will definitely add it to my toolbox.

                      time*treat, thanks for the suggestion and the breakdown. How would you use this information to filter? I am currently using the top 20 pairs and lowest 20 pairs to filter, but it's still new so haven't checked on it's success yet.

                      relowe........I am not using the 15 draws to select numbers, I use them to filter ALREADY selected numbers. For example, say I want to play combinations from my already selected numbers made up of 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 (an example only), only combinations that have 4 or less matching numbers would pass, 5 and 6 would fail. So using SET A as above : 22, 24, 30, 31, 41, 48, 33, 39, 42,  2,  9, 11, 14, 27, 32 ....... ALL combinations would pass as only 2 and 9 from the set would be together in any combinations (less than 4). Each Set (A - E or more etc) is treated as a unique set and comparisons made to it so even though a number might appear in multiple sets it is not treated as a duplicate. If the combination has more than 3/4 (still deciding which would be the best setting) matches in ANY SET then it fails the filter. Hope this helps

                      One way is finding out if certain pairs tend to show up more often than others, or soon after others. People who play P3/P4 call those "followers".

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                        Thanks for the input JKING and time*treat. JKING, could you give an explanation of the table please. I am not familiar with "positional occurring pattern" so I am having a bit of trouble understanding the table.

                        time*treat, would you be able to recommend software that can analyse the patterns for pairs, or is it something that has to be done manually?

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                          Thanks for the input JKING and time*treat. JKING, could you give an explanation of the table please. I am not familiar with "positional occurring pattern" so I am having a bit of trouble understanding the table.

                          time*treat, would you be able to recommend software that can analyse the patterns for pairs, or is it something that has to be done manually?

                          Hi,

                           To understand the table....

                          A
                          22,24,30,31,41,48
                          31,33,39,41,42,48
                          2,9,11,14,27,32
                          B
                          6,8,30,31,42,48
                          6,13,28,32,37,49
                          2,3,11,16,30,37

                          Look at the numbers you supplied. They are in sets of 3 games.

                          For game set B:

                          2,3,8,11,13,16,28,31,32,42,48,49 ocuccred once

                          6,30,37 occurred twice

                          all other numbers in your lotter pool occurred zero times

                          So, when the next game is played 2,9,11,14,27,32 you have..

                          2-with 1 occurrence from game set B

                          9-with 0 occurrences from game set B

                          11-with 1 occurrence from game set B

                          14-with 0 occurrences from game set B

                          27-with 0 occurrence from game set B

                          32-with 1 occurrence from game set B

                          Sorting the occurrences (making it postional)...you have (0,0,0,1,1,1)

                                  1       2       3       4       5       6  --(for the six numbers picked every draw)

                          0      1       1       1       0       0       0   

                          1      0       0       0       1       1       1

                          2      0       0       0       0       0       0

                          3      0       0       0       0       0       0

                          So, now you have a table for one game set of 3. As more games are played, you add the results from the previous 3 games to the table.

                          I hope this helps/ *S*

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                            Thanks for the input JKING and time*treat. JKING, could you give an explanation of the table please. I am not familiar with "positional occurring pattern" so I am having a bit of trouble understanding the table.

                            time*treat, would you be able to recommend software that can analyse the patterns for pairs, or is it something that has to be done manually?

                            For complete 3rd party software, you'd have to ask some of the others, or do a "search".

                            I'm in the other group here -- those that write our own code.

                            Some use C++. Flavors of BASIC seem to be most popular. I use VBA under Excel.

                            It works out that we can kick around concepts without getting bogged down in the syntax of each language. Sometimes getting bogged down in the syntax of each other can be a different matter. LOL

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                              Hello, some participant of the forum, gets do this study? Example = in a
                              lottery 01 to 49 with draw of 6 numbers to See which trio is better in this
                              position 2,4,5, or stop and blocks In the 6 positions, in the trios have 20
                              positions Posições=1,2,3,4,5,6