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Posted: January 20, 2011, 9:45 am - IP Logged

So I was at the store today standing in line at the instant vending machine waiting to get a $20 Gold Rush. The last person behind me buys the ticket I was about to buy so I decided to just watch him scratch it and see if he wins before I buy one. He scratched it in 10 seconds, did not win, and proceeded to buy another. I also watched him scratch that ticket and lose again. So I jumped at the opportunity and bought the next ticket. Won $50 !

While Im standing in line to cash the ticket, the same guy cashes a $100 check and hits the Gold Rush again. I watch him buy 5 straight tickets and lose on all of them and leave the store in disgust. So again I swoop in and buy one myself. Another $50 win ! 

Anyone else do this ?

Don't overlook the Trash Bucket: You might find a Winner or Two that have been Discarded.

If the Discarded Ticket is Misprinted: It could look like a Loser, but when Checked at the Terminal: It's a Winner!

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    Posted: January 20, 2011, 3:42 pm - IP Logged

    Don't overlook the Trash Bucket: You might find a Winner or Two that have been Discarded.

    If the Discarded Ticket is Misprinted: It could look like a Loser, but when Checked at the Terminal: It's a Winner!

    I remember when those green FLA lottery stations had the built in trashcans I used to go and empty those out each night I found quite a bit of winning tickets especially on the $1 and $2 games. Sometimes older people playing the Bingo games just cant see if they won or not.

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      Posted: January 20, 2011, 3:46 pm - IP Logged

      I rea this thread today, I went to the store to get my daily 3 and took notice of the scratchers, I just smiled, your not the only poacher...

      nothing wrong with having an edge. good luck to you.

      Did you exchange a walk on part in the war ?

      For a lead role in a cage?

       

                                                  From Pink Floyd's " Wish you were here"

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        Posted: January 20, 2011, 10:12 pm - IP Logged

        I rea this thread today, I went to the store to get my daily 3 and took notice of the scratchers, I just smiled, your not the only poacher...

        nothing wrong with having an edge. good luck to you.

        "nothing wrong with having an edge"

        So true!!  With all things lottery, players need any edge they can get!!

        As long as poachers arent obnoxious, then what harm is done to anybody?  Go get an edge.......

        About playing the lottery --  You will lose more than you win. Until you hit a jackpot.  Then everything changes!

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          Don't overlook the Trash Bucket: You might find a Winner or Two that have been Discarded.

          If the Discarded Ticket is Misprinted: It could look like a Loser, but when Checked at the Terminal: It's a Winner!

          This is very true. In PA they recently changed..again...the verification mode. They removed letter codes from tickets. The play field is

          now missing what many people looked for...winning letters. Losing letters were Q, B, P, Z, K....a quick scratch in the right area of the ticket

          would reveal instantly if the ticket was a winner or loser, without playing the game.

          A store clerk told me they go through the trash and check the discarded tickets all the time. They said one day, they found 4 winners thrown

          away.

          It may not be a bad idea at all to check the trash bucket.

          Happy hunting.

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            Posted: January 21, 2011, 12:31 am - IP Logged

            James1,

            I enjoyed your story.  IMHO you did nothing wrong.  It took me way back to when I was young. A long time ago, I was told that something similar is done in gambling casino's with slot machines.  I've never done it, but I heard about it after I won a small jackpot playing a slot.

            Forty plus years ago, I was playing a slot machine in Harrah's casino in Lake Tahoe. I had been playing it for a while, (I dont remember how long I was playing this particular machine) but I was not winning anything. I was feeding it quarters but absolutely none were dropping into the tray.  I was about to get up and walk away, when my Aunt who was playing the machine next to mine, said for me to stay with it because it was going to pay off shortly.  Naturally, I asked her how did she know that?  My Aunt replied because when a machine stops dropping a few quarters with each spin, it's about to produce a jackpot.  I was skeptical, but stayed with the machine.  A few minutes later, a red light on top of the machine lit up and started spinning, as well as a bell in the machine started ringing.  I looked at the bars, and had matched all three.  A female casino worker appeared, gave me a quarter to play off the jackpot, and handed me $37.50 cash!

            My Aunt was a regular visitor to Lake Tahoe's casinos. As for me, at that time, I was a twenty year old that had travelled to California to visit relatives. And I didnt know squat.  (I thought 37 bucks was a lot of money back then) My Aunt pointed out two women playing slots that were subtly keeping an eye on other slot players. Sure enough, when a guy got up and walked away from a slot he was playing, both women immediately made a move to get to the machine the guy just left!!  The closest woman got there first, but we didnt stick around to see if she won anything. 

            In the car going home, I asked my Aunt if she ever watched other slot players while she was playing a slot. Her reply: "I sure as hell do, and if you got off that machine, I was gonna be on it quick, because I saw them other two babes eyeballin' you!"  So go ahead and keep an eye on those scratch off machines!  More power to you!  Ya know, there's more games being played in a casino than people realize!!! Leaving

            (I thought 37 bucks was a lot of money back then)

            It was a lot of money. Forty-plus years ago, $37 would have bought you one hundred gallons of gasoline. Today? Less than 15 gallons, in many places.

            In neo-conned Amerika, bank robs you.
            Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms should be the name of a convenience store, not a govnoment agency.

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              Posted: January 21, 2011, 12:21 pm - IP Logged

              So I was at the store today standing in line at the instant vending machine waiting to get a $20 Gold Rush. The last person behind me buys the ticket I was about to buy so I decided to just watch him scratch it and see if he wins before I buy one. He scratched it in 10 seconds, did not win, and proceeded to buy another. I also watched him scratch that ticket and lose again. So I jumped at the opportunity and bought the next ticket. Won $50 !

              While Im standing in line to cash the ticket, the same guy cashes a $100 check and hits the Gold Rush again. I watch him buy 5 straight tickets and lose on all of them and leave the store in disgust. So again I swoop in and buy one myself. Another $50 win ! 

              Anyone else do this ?

              Hey, everyone has to have a method!

              Like others have said, just watch your back!

              There is an employee of a large grocery chain (he is a bagger) that constantly watches people scratch tickets. it is so obvious he does it. One day I bought a $2 jumbo and this kid SWOOPS in right behind me and buys one or two. I had been playing for a few minutes so he had obviously seen me (I saw him eyeballing my buying the tickets WHILE he bagged).

              The worst part is, he doesnt scratch them in front of me to see what he got -- no, he squirrels them away to the breakroom in the back. So I have no idea what he got.

              Some would be angered by this and maybe even complain to the manager of the store, since he was literally working on the clock. But I noticed he seemed to have something wrong with him, so I let it go.

              I do realize, though, that if he has the chemical balance to speculate on lottery players, there cant be something THAT wrong with him.

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                Hey, everyone has to have a method!

                Like others have said, just watch your back!

                There is an employee of a large grocery chain (he is a bagger) that constantly watches people scratch tickets. it is so obvious he does it. One day I bought a $2 jumbo and this kid SWOOPS in right behind me and buys one or two. I had been playing for a few minutes so he had obviously seen me (I saw him eyeballing my buying the tickets WHILE he bagged).

                The worst part is, he doesnt scratch them in front of me to see what he got -- no, he squirrels them away to the breakroom in the back. So I have no idea what he got.

                Some would be angered by this and maybe even complain to the manager of the store, since he was literally working on the clock. But I noticed he seemed to have something wrong with him, so I let it go.

                I do realize, though, that if he has the chemical balance to speculate on lottery players, there cant be something THAT wrong with him.

                lol! Work and scratching tickets should not mix. In fact, I've heard more than a few counter clerks complain or remark that the *boss* does not

                want them scratching tickets while on shift. Some do not care, some do it out of sight of the cameras, some just do it regardless of the rules out

                in plain sight. A lady at my local store who works behind the courtesy desk balancing books, doing register, running the lottery numbers, activating

                gift cards..etc, etc, etc. Obviously she is very, very gifted because with her heavy work load, she manages to play the instants throughout the

                day too! Skeptical There is a slight problem with that....she stocks the instant ticket machine and activates the packs. Another slight problem with that

                is, if a customer needs something, sometimes they've had to wait minutes which can seem to be an eternity if they merely wanted to know what

                aisle the Snapper Hot Peppers are in...She's not at the counter ready to help, she's in the back room helping herself to some possible winnings

                on the instant ticket she just bought. I consider this very wrong. I've already had to wait to get my numbers in and wonder where she is....in the

                back room of course. I'm considering very carefully just how to report this. This is a family run store and while she's not immediate family, she has

                been there FOR-EVER. Obviously, they turn a blind eye to her using her time scratching OR she has a place in the back room where she has enough

                time to appear to be doing something else after someone else enters the room.

                Just as certain sweepstakes have rules in place to prevent family members of employees from entering or the employees themselves...it seems

                to me there's great conflict between allowing employees who are responsible for validating ticket packs, stocking machines, setting instant vending

                machine codes, having first hand knowledge of what packs are newly stocked, knowing exactly what winners were purchased by them during the

                course of their work shift and being allowed to play while working.

                I have some time on my hands which I'll use to make a call to lottery headquarters. You know, I could find another store...but why should I?

                This is the closest one to me. I do not work there. I am the customer who's only advantage is the same as anyone else's..that maybe the next

                ticket out is a winner. It seems to me that being involved in the 'inner workings' of instant tickets, there might be an added advantage which

                can be manipulated or at the least used to ensure the stocker/handler/employee (her) is getting the most return for her money. She just seems

                to be 'in the know' a lot of times. Her name is listed on the winners list of $1,000 or more often enough. This is supposed to be potluck...the

                majority of players have no advantage. I'm not envious in any way. I win often enough. It's just what's right is right and this sure is not.

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                  lol! Work and scratching tickets should not mix. In fact, I've heard more than a few counter clerks complain or remark that the *boss* does not

                  want them scratching tickets while on shift. Some do not care, some do it out of sight of the cameras, some just do it regardless of the rules out

                  in plain sight. A lady at my local store who works behind the courtesy desk balancing books, doing register, running the lottery numbers, activating

                  gift cards..etc, etc, etc. Obviously she is very, very gifted because with her heavy work load, she manages to play the instants throughout the

                  day too! Skeptical There is a slight problem with that....she stocks the instant ticket machine and activates the packs. Another slight problem with that

                  is, if a customer needs something, sometimes they've had to wait minutes which can seem to be an eternity if they merely wanted to know what

                  aisle the Snapper Hot Peppers are in...She's not at the counter ready to help, she's in the back room helping herself to some possible winnings

                  on the instant ticket she just bought. I consider this very wrong. I've already had to wait to get my numbers in and wonder where she is....in the

                  back room of course. I'm considering very carefully just how to report this. This is a family run store and while she's not immediate family, she has

                  been there FOR-EVER. Obviously, they turn a blind eye to her using her time scratching OR she has a place in the back room where she has enough

                  time to appear to be doing something else after someone else enters the room.

                  Just as certain sweepstakes have rules in place to prevent family members of employees from entering or the employees themselves...it seems

                  to me there's great conflict between allowing employees who are responsible for validating ticket packs, stocking machines, setting instant vending

                  machine codes, having first hand knowledge of what packs are newly stocked, knowing exactly what winners were purchased by them during the

                  course of their work shift and being allowed to play while working.

                  I have some time on my hands which I'll use to make a call to lottery headquarters. You know, I could find another store...but why should I?

                  This is the closest one to me. I do not work there. I am the customer who's only advantage is the same as anyone else's..that maybe the next

                  ticket out is a winner. It seems to me that being involved in the 'inner workings' of instant tickets, there might be an added advantage which

                  can be manipulated or at the least used to ensure the stocker/handler/employee (her) is getting the most return for her money. She just seems

                  to be 'in the know' a lot of times. Her name is listed on the winners list of $1,000 or more often enough. This is supposed to be potluck...the

                  majority of players have no advantage. I'm not envious in any way. I win often enough. It's just what's right is right and this sure is not.

                  I fully agree with you.

                  Its one thing to have access to that knowledge and all that she does, but its completely another to make customers wait when they are in a hurry or need to be helped.

                  The state lottery website probably has the rules for retailers accessible to where you can read them. I skimmed through TN's retailers rules the other day just to look and it's good to know they are there. I may go back and look if I can find anything about winners that work at a store, but since it happens quite often (ie in the news you hear of a clerk selling themself the winning ticket), that I think it is just accepted. To me this is very unfair and at the minimum it should be regulated (i.e. owners/ clerks should not be able to win more than X in a certain time frame).

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                     Ha Ha Ha.....you guys make me laugh !!! You think that it is OK to "poach" off of other players yet complain that others do it to you in some other form. BOTTOM LINE.....KARMA IS A B..CH !!!  GOLDEN RULE !!! Why don't you guys get a conscience !!!

                      Let the good times roll...

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                       Ha Ha Ha.....you guys make me laugh !!! You think that it is OK to "poach" off of other players yet complain that others do it to you in some other form. BOTTOM LINE.....KARMA IS A B..CH !!!  GOLDEN RULE !!! Why don't you guys get a conscience !!!

                      Hey, survival of the fittest.

                      Gotta watch your back.

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                        This reminds me of a song that came out in the 80's " I always feel like somebody's watching me" RockwellWink

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                          Today while I was in Publix scratching there was a lady playing $3 dollar Bingo. While I was winning and busy with other tickets she was losing and had lost 4 in a row from what I observed. I was thinking about buying the next Bingo but was still scratching my other ticket. She makes it to the machine first and gets the 5th ticket, a $10 winner. What was an overall 1 in 4 game had a 1 in 1.3 or so chance of winning on the next ticket as I figured, due to all the previous losers. I am considering hanging around the store for a few hours one day and experiment poaching and see what kind of results I get.

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                            Posted: February 2, 2011, 9:38 pm - IP Logged

                             when i on vacation in North Carolina i bought a whole book of a $5 dollar game...  won two $5 prizes and the last ticket was $500...   dont ever take that 1 in 4.74 seriously, the lottery regulates themself.

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                               when i on vacation in North Carolina i bought a whole book of a $5 dollar game...  won two $5 prizes and the last ticket was $500...   dont ever take that 1 in 4.74 seriously, the lottery regulates themself.

                              They say that the odds are "overall" and not litterally every 4 tickets or whatevr, but either way I am with you: I think they regulate it how they want.