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do u guys beleive the lottery is fixed

fixed [ 23 ]  [41.07%]
not fixed [ 20 ]  [35.71%]
just a conspiracy theory [ 13 ]  [23.21%]
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B$Rizzle's avatar - a4leds
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Posted: April 11, 2011, 9:28 pm - IP Logged

There's the case of Tennessee with their RNG no allowing doubles/triples, but aside from that I believe it's definitely not fixed. Ball drawings go through many different tests to ensure the numbers are pure randomness.

Whats the deal with Tennessee & RNG not allowing dbles/trips?

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    Posted: April 12, 2011, 8:21 am - IP Logged

    Why do people who really believe it's fixed play it?

    With paranoia you'll never have to dine alone!

    Wink

    LOL.....I Agree!

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      Posted: April 16, 2011, 8:09 pm - IP Logged

      Mega Millions is designed to go between Ohio and New York  with a few teasers in between...

      At least that is my conspirathy  theory!  :-)

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        Posted: April 16, 2011, 9:07 pm - IP Logged

        so true.ny won last night.two in a row.

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          Posted: April 16, 2011, 10:42 pm - IP Logged

          In Pennsylvania, in 2000, the daily number WAS in fact fixed?

          It's true...and was called the "Triple Six Fix" when the three digits "666" came up and CASHED in for 3.5 million dollars. But it turns out that the ping pong balls were WEIGHTED down, with the exception of 4's and 6's, making the outcome mathematically almost impossible to miss for players. 7 people were indicted....

          Actually, that happened way back on 24 April 1980.

          Today's winning 3-ball is going to be a number between 000 and 999.

          In a lot of states, lotteries benefit education. That makes the REAL winners the only people who can't play!

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            Posted: April 17, 2011, 10:43 am - IP Logged

            There are a few problems with calling that  an example of a lottery being fixed. First, there's absolutely no evidence that it was done intentionally, which means it was a "just" a flaw. Second, what did it do to the odds of winning? If everybody picked their numbers randomly it wouldn't have had any effect. Obviously some people would have had no chance of winning, but those who didn't use doubles or triples would have had a better chance of winning. In fact, IIRC, some players seemed to catch on and made a point of avoiding doubles and triples, thereby increasing their chances of winning.

            "First, there's absolutely no evidence that it was done intentionally, which means it was a "just" a flaw."

            About 10 days into the "no doubles anywhere" run, one of the LP's Tennessee players emailed the TN Lottery about it. My claim of a fix was based on the response given by the TN Lottery and posted on LP. Basically it said the RNG had been tested several times and in fact "double numbers" had been drawn during the tests.

            When the TN Lottery finally admitted the flaw in their system, that explanation would have prevented doubles from being drawn during tests. I never questioned the authenticity of the email.

            "Second, what did it do to the odds of winning?"

            Absolutely nothing if it was a fact the RNG was tested and double numbers were drawn. Without any response from the TN Lottery, the odds for players going with the "no doubles" streak were better for the next 4 weeks.

            I completely understood the TN Lottery's explanation after they acknowledged the flaw and I'm not someone who will quickly jump onto the conspiracy bandwagon. However when no doubles are drawn in either the pick-3 or pick-4 games twice a day for over a month, an eyebrow or two should be raised.

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              Posted: April 20, 2011, 12:28 am - IP Logged

              Google is the lottery fixed and read the article

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                Posted: April 20, 2011, 8:47 am - IP Logged

                Actually, that happened way back on 24 April 1980.

                Thanks for the correction. I just thought it was important. lol ;)

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                  Posted: April 20, 2011, 12:16 pm - IP Logged

                  Fixed? I hope so, I didn't even know it was broken.

                  Give someone a fish and feed them for a day. Teach them to use the internet and they won't bother you for weeks. 

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                    Posted: April 23, 2011, 3:16 pm - IP Logged

                    Fixed? I hope so, I didn't even know it was broken.

                    Most don't seem broken to me.

                    I think most lotteries go to a lot of trouble to maintain tight draw security, trustworthy records, oversight, and use a lot of other measures to establish they're worthy of public trust.  I believe most can be trusted as well as any other group of citizens handling large sums of money, including banks, stockbrokers, and government agencies.

                     

                    Which isn't the same as saying they're completely trustworthy, though I think they try hard to be, partly because so many people believe lotteries are fixed.  They have to go the extra mile to avoid the appearance of anything that would cause mistrust.  In that, some don't succeed because of what appears to be a lack of awareness of the acute and occasionally justified suspicion on the part of ticket-buyers.

                    One illustration is 4 minute draw Keno games in several states.  A number of states take the realistic view that players want to see the results on display of the draws they bought tickets for.  I believe they are correct.

                    But several states actually expect a player to put in the ticket # or his/her picks and allow a machine or clerk somewhere to examine what's on the ticket and pronounce the ticket a winner or loser.

                    For the most part I don't mistrust the official lotteries.  But if the lotteries won't provide the results of the games for the previous day, week, some reasonable time period, I'd be seriously tempted to believe they have a reason for refusing.  I can't imagine buying a ticket for a game of that sort.

                    I don't care if it's paranoid.  If they hide something I'd rather not invest a dollar trusting they don't have a reason for hiding it.

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                      Posted: April 23, 2011, 4:01 pm - IP Logged

                      are you serious, Tennessee don't  allow double/ triples this not a pure RNG  drawing . If Tennessee lottery has been drawing it number twice a day even 3 years that over 2000 drawing there  is no way in-------IN God Green earth  you don't get at least  a few doubles/ triples. How can they treat the players that way? What are they afraid of? They might have to pay [$500] for triples. This to hard to believe.   WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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                        Posted: April 23, 2011, 4:21 pm - IP Logged

                        are you serious, Tennessee don't  allow double/ triples this not a pure RNG  drawing . If Tennessee lottery has been drawing it number twice a day even 3 years that over 2000 drawing there  is no way in-------IN God Green earth  you don't get at least  a few doubles/ triples. How can they treat the players that way? What are they afraid of? They might have to pay [$500] for triples. This to hard to believe.   WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                        That was discussed earlier in the thread and it appears the TN lottery sold tickets to players for numbers that couldn't hit because of the RNG programming.  There's a world of difference between selling tickets where players are unlikely to win, but buy a risk quantified by what's printed on the back of the playslip, and selling tickets with absolute certainty of not winning.

                        Whether or not this was intentional, if what's been described above is true the Official TN Lottery misrepresented the product TN players had documented reasons for believing they were buying.

                        Whatever the TN lottery is guilty of would seem at least to be deceptive trade practices and players who bought tickets betting on numbers impossible to win would seem to be within their rights to have their money returned.

                        On the other hand, a person who buys a ticket for the 4 minute keno game in Missouri, say, or California and several other states has no reason to believe a draw even happened.  The purchaser of the ticket asks, "Confirm for me these numbers didn't win the draw you claim happened"  and has no way of knowing whether there's an automatic computer response, "Nope, sorry, these ones didn't win.".

                          kyokushin187's avatar - evildead2
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                          Posted: April 25, 2011, 4:10 am - IP Logged

                          Powerball now has a replay option where the cashier does not need your number slip but just the ticket to replay that same set of numbers for the same number of draws.it stamps a r on each ticket(replay).I think this used in some way to track which numbers are played more often.I think this option is available for all games except pick 3&4.

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                            Posted: April 25, 2011, 8:48 am - IP Logged

                            That TN problem, assuming it's true, is an example of a lottery operation leaving itself open to accusations of 'fixing' the draws by not having automatic safeguards in place.  That has to begin with an attentiveness to public complaints and methods of checking whether those complaints contain any basis for criticism of the game in question.  An industry standard would be helpful, and certainly some sort of independent ombudsman to liaison with the public.

                            But most official lottery websites convey the impression they believe their players are stupider than they might actually be.  The happy faces, dancing animations, and dollar signs are intended to raise the level of excitement about the games, but there's usually no easy way mentioned for players to contact them with problems or expressions of mistrust.

                            Missouri has a blog, but the only comments allowed involve response to what's been posted by the LC.

                            But Missouri Lottery Commission manages to trump every lottery in the US in conveying scorn for intelligence of the people who buy tickets for their games.

                            Posters on LP, hundreds of them, are excited and enthusiastic about playing lottery games.  Maybe some lottery commissions such as Missouri and Tennessee consider that proof of their stupidity.

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                              Posted: April 25, 2011, 3:30 pm - IP Logged

                              It could be fixed to a certain extend....but then again you have to ask yourself why are they setting limits?