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OfflineQuote: Originally posted by Jordans121 on Apr 22, 2011
Incredible info Ricky!!
Thanks Jordans121,
it can all be found in a certain piece of software...(only via PM, for those who don't know it...)
cheers
Rickylasas3
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Well,.. you’re looking at it all like your definition of what is ‘normal’ could be easily defined. You are not going down some goat trail, you are on strait approach:
“This is the way we look at statistics. Because, blah, blah blah.”
“this is the way we will look at an event.”
Maybe your logical approach to the game is not flawed; you do not consider that the information and what is considered as a normal event is,…. a flagrant violation of reality. ?
What do think about what is random and what is not? Why do you think their perfect ‘random’ should absolutely be defined by the strict sense of the word? Does their ‘random’ deviate from “Random”?
Tisk, tisk.
The ‘random’ is flawed. The more they try to make ‘random’ more random, the more it randomly shows up. New un-random events happen. Then you look at it and ask yourself in a perfectly logical and well defined manner and say to yourself,…
WTF?Everything you know to be true is false. Time to put your thinking cap on and turn it 180 degrees. The logic that defines the event has rules. A large sample to compare in your perfectly defined world is no longer valid, at least not as a conventional sounding board. BUT, knowing what should happen and the deviation from that in a ‘normal course of events’, is alarming. So what is a real good way to say it?
[ Outliers can occur by chance in any distribution, but they are often indicative either of measurement error or that the population has a heavy-tailed distribution. In the former case one wishes to discard them or use statistics that are robust to outliers, while in the latter case they indicate that the distribution has high kurtosis and that one should be very cautious in using tools or intuitions that assume a normal distribution. A frequent cause of outliers is a mixture of two distributions, which may be two distinct sub-populations, or may indicate 'correct trial' versus 'measurement error'; this is modeled by a mixture model. ] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outlier
The software is not broken, that is the way they 'fixed' it.
DD
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Wow ..... Paurths (Ricky) !
Thanks again!
Just wanted to let you know you're appreciated. Your talent ......leadership and ability to get things done like this are an inspiration to us all, and it all really helps us make our old fashion lottery hobby.......into the success that it is today. As long as I am in this mode... and on this subject of talent ....we all have to tip our hats to Todd of course ...our LP creator.
Thank you for all that you do Ricky. We couldn't do it without you.
You truly deserve a lot more recognition for all your self less contributions to our hobby......the late nights, long hours of programming and endless issues you have helped us with over the years. At least you can know how many players value your talent and leadership. We all appreciate your making all this information happen for us after years of looking. Thank you from us all!
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You ask what we were thinking in your post back there. Well, after looking over those very ...very bad boy categories there.....you inspired my thoughts in a new direction. Here goes....
What are the most dependable filter groups out there ? We have begun to follow the "Stinkers" and know how really bad some of these state's games can go. How about the Good Fella's ..... How about the best acting filter groups out there...? The best ones to depend on and bet on.
Sure, each group always has some bad actors in it..... but which ones (over time)have the best records of sticking closest to there math expectations?
Without any stats to back me up ...... my vote is still with the "Digits" ...... as the most normal acting filter group out there in all states. Perhaps it's just that Digits are one of the easier filter groups to track and focus on.... at least more so than some of those really abstract groups.
.....and of course the larger the filter group....the better actors they are over time.
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I play pick5 and jackpots game and usually stick with what happens 95% of the time in their drawings to develop statistics for generating combinations to play which also eliminates the effects of outliers on the data. I've found that every game even of the same types has its own unique sets of outliers which means there's no general set of rules that will fit any of them. So far I've stayed away from games with computer generated drawings.
* you don't need to buy every combination, just the winning ones *
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Quote: Originally posted by WIN D on Apr 22, 2011
Wow ..... Paurths (Ricky) !
Thanks again!
Just wanted to let you know you're appreciated. Your talent ......leadership and ability to get things done like this are an inspiration to us all, and it all really helps us make our old fashion lottery hobby.......into the success that it is today. As long as I am in this mode... and on this subject of talent ....we all have to tip our hats to Todd of course ...our LP creator.
Thank you for all that you do Ricky. We couldn't do it without you.
You truly deserve a lot more recognition for all your self less contributions to our hobby......the late nights, long hours of programming and endless issues you have helped us with over the years. At least you can know how many players value your talent and leadership. We all appreciate your making all this information happen for us after years of looking. Thank you from us all!
P.S.
You ask what we were thinking in your post back there. Well, after looking over those very ...very bad boy categories there.....you inspired my thoughts in a new direction. Here goes....
What are the most dependable filter groups out there ? We have begun to follow the "Stinkers" and know how really bad some of these state's games can go. How about the Good Fella's ..... How about the best acting filter groups out there...? The best ones to depend on and bet on.
Sure, each group always has some bad actors in it..... but which ones (over time)have the best records of sticking closest to there math expectations?
Without any stats to back me up ...... my vote is still with the "Digits" ...... as the most normal acting filter group out there in all states. Perhaps it's just that Digits are one of the easier filter groups to track and focus on.... at least more so than some of those really abstract groups.
.....and of course the larger the filter group....the better actors they are over time.
Chaz,
There are members on this forum who don't get the thanks and recognition they deserve, including youself, Ricky,Todd and many others. How Todd keeps this forum running is beyond me, way beyond my skills. I agree with your assessment about the digits.
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OfflineQuote: Originally posted by WIN D on Apr 22, 2011
Wow ..... Paurths (Ricky) !
Thanks again!
Just wanted to let you know you're appreciated. Your talent ......leadership and ability to get things done like this are an inspiration to us all, and it all really helps us make our old fashion lottery hobby.......into the success that it is today. As long as I am in this mode... and on this subject of talent ....we all have to tip our hats to Todd of course ...our LP creator.
Thank you for all that you do Ricky. We couldn't do it without you.
You truly deserve a lot more recognition for all your self less contributions to our hobby......the late nights, long hours of programming and endless issues you have helped us with over the years. At least you can know how many players value your talent and leadership. We all appreciate your making all this information happen for us after years of looking. Thank you from us all!
P.S.
You ask what we were thinking in your post back there. Well, after looking over those very ...very bad boy categories there.....you inspired my thoughts in a new direction. Here goes....
What are the most dependable filter groups out there ? We have begun to follow the "Stinkers" and know how really bad some of these state's games can go. How about the Good Fella's ..... How about the best acting filter groups out there...? The best ones to depend on and bet on.
Sure, each group always has some bad actors in it..... but which ones (over time)have the best records of sticking closest to there math expectations?
Without any stats to back me up ...... my vote is still with the "Digits" ...... as the most normal acting filter group out there in all states. Perhaps it's just that Digits are one of the easier filter groups to track and focus on.... at least more so than some of those really abstract groups.
.....and of course the larger the filter group....the better actors they are over time.
Hi Chaz,
i have never ran the same code for boxed structures, like digits.
Here is a list of of those "stinkers".
I have taken the top 500 of longest TimesDue ever, grouped them on subtype (a subtype can be FrontPair, or BackPair, ... --> where the type would be Pair, just an example)
This top 500 is from 8,65 times due through 14,21 times due.
Then counted how many times that SubItem showed up in that top 500SubType TotalStructures WIDTH 76 LMH DIGITS 42 OPENCLOSEDSTRAIGHT STRAIGHT 30 LMH HIGHLOW 30 HIGHLOWINOUT 29 ODDEVEN 26 PAIRS SPLIT 25 LMH INOUT 25 ODDEVENINOUT 24 OPENCLOSEDSTRAIGHT INOUT 24 ODDEVENHIGHLOW 24 OPENCLOSEDSTRAIGHT HIGHLOW 23 HIGHLOW 23 OPENCLOSEDSTRAIGHT ODDEVEN 23 PAIRS FRONT 21 INOUT 20 PAIRS BACK 18 LMH ODDEVEN 17 The next table is for the Top 100.
the top 100 starts at 10.2 times due, through ofcourse 14.21 times due.SubType TotalStructures WIDTH 13 OPENCLOSEDSTRAIGHT INOUT 9 ODDEVENHIGHLOW 8 PAIRS FRONT 8 LMH HIGHLOW 8 PAIRS SPLIT 7 LMH DIGITS 6 OPENCLOSEDSTRAIGHT STRAIGHT 6 ODDEVENINOUT 5 OPENCLOSEDSTRAIGHT HIGHLOW 5 HIGHLOW 4 LMH INOUT 4 INOUT 4 HIGHLOWINOUT 4 ODDEVEN 4 LMH ODDEVEN 3 OPENCLOSEDSTRAIGHT ODDEVEN 2 PAIRS BACK 2 And as for the top 20, from 11.8 times due through 14.21 times due:
SubType TotalStructures WIDTH 4 PAIRS FRONT 2 OPENCLOSEDSTRAIGHT STRAIGHT 2 ODDEVENINOUT 2 LMH DIGITS 2 HIGHLOW 2 PAIRS SPLIT 1 PAIRS BACK 1 OPENCLOSEDSTRAIGHT ODDEVEN 1 OPENCLOSEDSTRAIGHT HIGHLOW 1 ODDEVENHIGHLOW 1 LMH ODDEVEN 1 Nevertheless, when "chasing" the Extreme Due, only 1 thing so far has been helpfull, and that is playing using progression.
However, it can become pretty frustrating when playing one state, because it can take up a long, a very long time, and you need patience, alot of it.Take Wa eve for example, there was this structure ( SSS HHH HHL HLH LHH : 177, 477, 717, 747, 771, 774, 777 ) that was missing for over 1500 draws when it caught my attention. Now, since this is only 7 straight numbers, it has an average skip of 142,86 draws.
starting to play this, and keep on playing it until it hits has taken me over 100 days.
Then it came in, on a skip of 1622 draws, but it brought in the 717 some 18 draws ago, while the boxed format of 477 was out the longest. So i kept playing it for 10 days, and yes, it also brought back the 477, so i hit it twiceSame thing for AZ, it had missing this structure (OOO LLL: 111, 113, 131, 133, 311, 313, 331, 333) that was missing for 1050 draws when it caught my attention.
When it came in, it was out 1148 draws, and brought in 333. But as it came in 1 day after WA eve, i thought i might also play for another 10 days (because it were just a few numbers), and yes, 8 days later BAM, another hit...This was all great, but right now i am getting "frustrated" with NY midday, this is missing COC and has 48 straight numbers : 020, 026, 028, 029, 030, 036, 038, 039, 050, 056, 058, 059, 620, 626, 628, 629, 630, 636, 638, 639, 650, 656, 658, 659, 820, 826, 828, 829, 830, 836, 838, 839, 850, 856, 858, 859, 920, 926, 928, 929, 930, 936, 938, 939, 950, 956, 958, 959 . Just take a close look at it.
You'll notice immediatly those freaking digits 1, 4 and 7 are not in it, then go look at the past 50 draws or so.
Digits 1, 4 and 7 are showing up all over the place.
Yet, pair 17 is out 48 draws.
Pair 14 is out 21 draws,
and Pair 47 was out 31 draws, and is now at 7 draws.
Those 3 digits mess up everything in NY midday, yet they fail to fall all together.This happened to me once before ,in GA eve, with digits 4, 6 and 8.
They were steaming hot, the longest 3 digit serie, yet they refused to fall together. Until the 3 skips together went over 100 draws, then i played and i hit it hard, very hard... (i asked takeitez to look at it, and he noticed immediatly! he hit it pretty good too)Anyway, what i meant to say is, it can be frustrating to wait such long times, 100 days is long, ...
So, i've been thinking what if i used combined states, and see how those LASAS3 structures are performing there?
For example, a state (or a few states) that has the midday draw at noon, another (or a few) an hour later, which would give me time to look if the structure hit or not, and if no hit i would continue playing those other states, and so on.
If my combined state would be made up of for example 6 single states (3 midday and 3 evenings), it would take 6 times less the amount of time to keep playing. Fast results... that is what comes down to thinking about this.But i have not started this yet...
By the way, have you noticed DE midday?
Digit 7 is out for 28 draws... 30 draws in first position, 29 draws in second position and 28 draws in third position...And as for OK, digit 8 has still not hit in second position for 62 draws, yet it is hot...
When looking at history of GA midday, did you know that digit 4, in first position, once was out for.... 131 draws?
There is an explanation why those extreme due show up: testdraws!
The missing combinations, digits, etc. might have shown up in the testdraws, yet we would know nothing about them, would we...cheers
Rickylasas3
An onion a day keeps everyone away!!!
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tiggs reads some of these post and thinks maybe he should visit ridge and start drinking all over again and then maybe he'll start understanding them if he's drunk.....like tiggs pal ridge..
Pure luck
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Quote: Originally posted by WIN D on Apr 21, 2011
Thanks for the input Raven....
I've never seen a probability distribution function completely characterized like that. LOL
OK then:
Pos #1 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
Avg Skip 9.3 8.9 8.8 9.0 9.2 8.9 9.3 8.8 8.7 9.1
Max Skip 69 58 66 65 62 68 123 72 57 79
Pos #2 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
Avg Skip 8.8 8.9 8.9 9.0 8.8 9.6 9.4 9.0 8.9 8.7
Max Skip 66 78 74 61 59 74 66 82 64 66
Pos #3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
Avg Skip 9.0 8.1 9.2 9.8 8.7 8.8 9.0 9.3 9.1 9.0
Max Skip 65 70 58 90 62 60 69 60 80 102
Pos Any 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
Avg Skip 2.7 2.6 2.7 2.8 2.7 2.7 2.8 2.7 2.7 2.7
Max Skip 26 25 24 19 24 21 23 25 27 25
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Quote: Originally posted by WIN D on Apr 21, 2011
At what point do abnormal draw happenings go from simply .....OUTLIERS stats ........to simply bad or Broken draw software ??
The Oklahoma Pick 3 game uses a computer program for it's draws. Recently, an inquiry was made to the State lottery officals regarding the unusual pick 3 draws there and the fact that no Digit # 8 had been drawn in any position for the last 33 draws and counting.... !
The question is...... At what point are these paid officals responsible for monitoring potential problems or unusual things that are ONGOING ?
Yes, right from the start .....this fact alone creates several credability problems for the State lottery .....but, the real problem comes when the state lottery officals have no rules about when or at what point ......they should finally take responsibility for looking into questionable results. When ?
The computer software problems in the Tenn pick 3 software scandel went on much too long. Even after many, many citizens began to question the very abnormal draw results there ......they simply smiled knowingly...... and schrouged off any thoughts of looking into their own faulty software. Much later the software was actually proven to be broken! Consequently, because of their very long delays.........many more of the citizens were hurt. This went on over a much longer time that need be.....and before they finally started to look into the problem and found the flaws.
So, what should the rules be to protect the players? @what point should they at least begin ....to look into these ......." Abnormal results"
For now .....the states using Computer draws can always simply say..... " Don't worry.....these stats are just "Outlier results" that happen from time to time. The problem is ......they can always say this to people no matter what is happening! At some point they really can't say that anymore ...... What is that point?
There needs to be some sort of rules or at least industry quidelines to save players from what happened in the Tenn lottery scandel ever happening again. This type of problem should never be ignored and allowed to go so long.
There are already some worthy answers but it's a question worth a lot of thought and discussion. I don't know the answer and I'm surprised to learn it's never been discussed to death.
Probably this ought to be a sticky thread on Lottery Systems Forum, the Pick 3, Pick 4, Pick 5, and Math Forums.
I believe you've offered one of the best threads I've yet seen on LP to date and I hope it gets discussed to death enough times to allow the most circumspect of us to arrive at opinions from our own value structures, at least.
I'd been thinking about those 4 minute draw keno games and trying to isolate why the fact California and Missouri, among others, won't allow players to know what hit on the previous day by putting the results of the draws up online.
But if they can get by with not telling the draw results to players they can go on indefinitely with a totally flawed system and never get caught.
Thanks for a great thread.
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Quote: Originally posted by WIN D on Apr 21, 2011
At what point do abnormal draw happenings go from simply .....OUTLIERS stats ........to simply bad or Broken draw software ??
The Oklahoma Pick 3 game uses a computer program for it's draws. Recently, an inquiry was made to the State lottery officals regarding the unusual pick 3 draws there and the fact that no Digit # 8 had been drawn in any position for the last 33 draws and counting.... !
The question is...... At what point are these paid officals responsible for monitoring potential problems or unusual things that are ONGOING ?
Yes, right from the start .....this fact alone creates several credability problems for the State lottery .....but, the real problem comes when the state lottery officals have no rules about when or at what point ......they should finally take responsibility for looking into questionable results. When ?
The computer software problems in the Tenn pick 3 software scandel went on much too long. Even after many, many citizens began to question the very abnormal draw results there ......they simply smiled knowingly...... and schrouged off any thoughts of looking into their own faulty software. Much later the software was actually proven to be broken! Consequently, because of their very long delays.........many more of the citizens were hurt. This went on over a much longer time that need be.....and before they finally started to look into the problem and found the flaws.
So, what should the rules be to protect the players? @what point should they at least begin ....to look into these ......." Abnormal results"
For now .....the states using Computer draws can always simply say..... " Don't worry.....these stats are just "Outlier results" that happen from time to time. The problem is ......they can always say this to people no matter what is happening! At some point they really can't say that anymore ...... What is that point?
There needs to be some sort of rules or at least industry quidelines to save players from what happened in the Tenn lottery scandel ever happening again. This type of problem should never be ignored and allowed to go so long.
The lottery may not mention that the digit 8 has been drawn in a pretest.
Numbers are where you find them.
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Quote: Originally posted by JAP69 on Apr 23, 2011
The lottery may not mention that the digit 8 has been drawn in a pretest.
Good point.
But in almost anything where large amounts of money are involved there's an industry standard of accepted practices and minimums of scrutiny and accountability. The stock market, for example, has legions of of people dedicated to the sole task of watching for anomalies hinting of insider trading. Banks are scrutinized by examiners, auditors and computer software devised to identify misbehavior, fraud, theft, anything out of order or outside industry standards and accepted practices.
Evidently the Lottery Commissions are self-regulated, or only have to satisfy the legislatures where they're located that they are behaving responsibly, and when something does happen and is exposed the lottery suffers in the aftermath as a result of its own negligence, but the players who wasted money thinking they were gambling when no gamble existed are left having paid a voluntary tax under false pretenses.
An industry standard would help, would probably be simple, and would allow lotteries to dodge the steamroller that comes in the aftermath of getting caught.
Texas is still walking a chalkline carefully remembering the consequences of getting caught in questionable practices several years ago.
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You are absolutely correct WIN D, the lotteries that choose to use RNG better figure out a way (rules) to detect this kind of thing and make sure their RNG is working.
Always in awe of your work Ricky.
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OfflineHere is some info on (watch the future of this pick3, and pick4, game breakdown!) : "combined states".
I have created 400 "combined states", each made up of 3 states (games),
and these are some of the top "Due's". (these are from yesterday, before the midday draws!)
MSName TimesDue AvSkip CurrentSkip Item Numbers Nbrs PA (E)_TN (M)_Tri State (M) 12,23 31 379 MMM OOO OOE OEO EOO 333, 334, 335, 336, 343, 345, 353, 354, 355, 356, 363, 365, 433, 435, 453, 455, 533, 534, 535, 536, 543, 545, 553, 554, 555, 556, 563, 565, 633, 635, 653, 655 32 QC (E)_SC (M)_VA (E) 11,92 116 1383 LHL IOI (INOUT) 383, 384, 393, 394, 483, 484, 493, 494 8 PA (E)_TN (M)_WV (E) 10,93 102 1115 SPAIR X_X 92 902, 912, 922, 932, 942, 952, 962, 972, 982, 992 10 SC (E)_TN (M)_Tri State (E) 10,9 94 1025 BPAIR _XX 61 061, 161, 261, 361, 461, 561, 661, 761, 861, 961 10 TN (E)_TN (M)_VA (E) 10,63 90 957 SPAIR X_X 40 400, 410, 420, 430, 440, 450, 460, 470, 480, 490 10 QC (E)_TN (E)_VA (E) 10,57 90 951 SPAIR X_X 40 400, 410, 420, 430, 440, 450, 460, 470, 480, 490 10 TN (E)_Tri State (E)_WV (E) 10,49 53 556 OOE HHH 556, 558, 576, 578, 596, 598, 756, 758, 776, 778, 796, 798, 956, 958, 976, 978, 996, 998 18 TN (M)_VA (E)_WV (E) 10,34 82 848 OOE OOO (INOUT) 110, 112, 118, 190, 192, 198, 910, 912, 918, 990, 992, 998 12 PA (E)_Tri State (E)_TX (E) 10,25 8 82 HHH 555, 556, 557, 558, 559, 565, 566, 567, 568, 569, 575, 576, 577, 578, 579, 585, 586, 587, 588, 589, 595, 596, 597, 598, 599, 655, 656, 657, 658, 659, 665, 666, 667, 668, 669, 675, 676, 677, 678, 679, 685, 686, 687, 688, 689, 695, 696, 697, 698, 699, 755, 125 QC (E)_TN (M)_VA (E) 10,17 116 1180 LHL IOI (INOUT) 383, 384, 393, 394, 483, 484, 493, 494 8 QC (E)_TN (E)_TN (M) 10,06 90 905 SPAIR X_X 40 400, 410, 420, 430, 440, 450, 460, 470, 480, 490 10 QC (E)_TN (M)_VA (E) 10,06 90 905 SPAIR X_X 40 400, 410, 420, 430, 440, 450, 460, 470, 480, 490 10 PA (E)_TN (M)_Tri State (M) 10 102 1020 SPAIR X_X 92 902, 912, 922, 932, 942, 952, 962, 972, 982, 992 10 PA (E)_Tri State (M)_WV (E) 9,99 102 1019 SPAIR X_X 92 902, 912, 922, 932, 942, 952, 962, 972, 982, 992 10 SC (M)_TN (M)_VA (E) 9,81 116 1138 LHL IOI (INOUT) 383, 384, 393, 394, 483, 484, 493, 494 8 QC (E)_Tri State (E)_VA (E) 9,78 64 626 OCC LLL LLH LHL HLL 200, 206, 208, 209, 260, 280, 290, 300, 306, 308, 309, 360, 380, 390, 500 15 TN (E)_TN (M)_Tri State (M) 9,71 94 913 BPAIR _XX 22 022, 122, 222, 322, 422, 522, 622, 722, 822, 922 10 QC (E)_SC (M)_TN (M) 9,66 116 1120 LHL IOI (INOUT) 383, 384, 393, 394, 483, 484, 493, 494 8 SC (E)_Tri State (M)_WV (E) 9,64 96 925 FPAIR XX_ 06 060, 061, 062, 063, 064, 065, 066, 067, 068, 069 10 TN (M)_VA (E)_VA (M) 9,55 82 783 OOE OOO (INOUT) 110, 112, 118, 190, 192, 198, 910, 912, 918, 990, 992, 998 12 VA (E)_VA (M)_WV (E) 9,54 82 782 OOE OOO (INOUT) 110, 112, 118, 190, 192, 198, 910, 912, 918, 990, 992, 998 12 TN (M)_Tri State (M)_WV (E) 9,49 102 968 SPAIR X_X 92 902, 912, 922, 932, 942, 952, 962, 972, 982, 992 10 SC (M)_Tri State (E)_VA (E) 9,42 64 603 OCC LLL LLH LHL HLL 200, 206, 208, 209, 260, 280, 290, 300, 306, 308, 309, 360, 380, 390, 500 15 TN (E)_TX (E)_WV (E) 9,41 94 885 BPAIR _XX 74 074, 174, 274, 374, 474, 574, 674, 774, 874, 974 10 SC (E)_TN (M)_VA (E) 9,38 8 75 OOI (INOUT) 003, 004, 005, 006, 007, 013, 014, 015, 016, 017, 023, 024, 025, 026, 027, 083, 084, 085, 086, 087, 093, 094, 095, 096, 097, 103, 104, 105, 106, 107, 113, 114, 115, 116, 117, 123, 124, 125, 126, 127, 183, 184, 185, 186, 187, 193, 194, 195, 196, 197, 203, 125 SC (E)_Tri State (M)_VA (E) 9,3 30 279 SCC EEE EEO EOE OEE 100, 106, 108, 160, 166, 168, 180, 186, 188, 400, 406, 408, 409, 460, 466, 468, 469, 480, 486, 488, 489, 490, 496, 498, 700, 706, 708, 760, 766, 768, 780, 786, 788 33 PA (E)_TX (M)_VA (M) 9,26 47 435 SSO OOO OOE OEO EOO 112, 113, 115, 143, 145, 172, 173, 175, 413, 415, 473, 475, 712, 713, 715, 743, 745, 772, 773, 775 20 TN (E)_TX (E)_VA (M) 9,21 97 893 SPAIR X_X 25 205, 215, 225, 235, 245, 255, 265, 275, 285, 295 10 SC (E)_VA (E)_VA (M) 9,18 95 872 SPAIR X_X 52 502, 512, 522, 532, 542, 552, 562, 572, 582, 592 10 QC (E)_SC (M)_VA (E) 9,14 64 585 OCC LLL LLH LHL HLL 200, 206, 208, 209, 260, 280, 290, 300, 306, 308, 309, 360, 380, 390, 500 15 QC (E)_SC (M)_Tri State (E) 9,14 64 585 OCC LLL LLH LHL HLL 200, 206, 208, 209, 260, 280, 290, 300, 306, 308, 309, 360, 380, 390, 500 15 SC (E)_VA (E)_VA (M) 9,14 21 192 LMM 033, 034, 035, 036, 043, 044, 045, 046, 053, 054, 055, 056, 063, 064, 065, 066, 133, 134, 135, 136, 143, 144, 145, 146, 153, 154, 155, 156, 163, 164, 165, 166, 233, 234, 235, 236, 243, 244, 245, 246, 253, 254, 255, 256, 263, 264, 265, 266 48 PA (E)_TN (M)_Tri State (M) 9,12 83 757 HLM III IIO IOI OII 703, 704, 705, 706, 713, 714, 715, 716, 723, 724, 725, 726 12 TN (M)_Tri State (E)_VA (E) 9,09 55 500 EEE LHL 060, 062, 064, 080, 082, 084, 260, 262, 264, 280, 282, 284, 460, 462, 464, 480, 482, 484 18 TN (M)_VA (M)_WV (E) 9,06 82 743 OOE OOO (INOUT) 110, 112, 118, 190, 192, 198, 910, 912, 918, 990, 992, 998 12 PA (E)_TX (E)_WV (E) 9,03 100 903 SPAIR X_X 74 704, 714, 724, 734, 744, 754, 764, 774, 784, 794 10 You will notice that some items (structures) return. Like for example SPAIR X_X 40 which shows for TN (E)_TN (M)_VA (E) and then again for QC (E)_TN (E)_VA (E) which is onle QC eve different.
Another thing you might notice is the average skip that is different from the mathematical average skip. This is because the average skip is calculated on real draws instead of probability.
The way to use this information: check per item, each state and visualize the digits and see if the pattern fits.
This might be quite some work, but that seems to be the problem with alot of "players", they want the numbers immediatly, they don't seem to have the energy to do some work of their own. (cfr. quick picks...)
Some of these items will come in the following days, up to you to compare them to the actual draws & 3DigitSeries (and don't forget "Repeating digits" and "Repeating VTracks")The most interesting item i can see immediatly is :
TN (E)_Tri State (E)_WV (E)
OOE HHH
556, 558, 576, 578, 596, 598, 756, 758, 776, 778, 796, 798, 956, 958, 976, 978, 996, 998
Just look at the last draws in TN eve and WV eve
TN eve: 657, 876, 990, 652 (no 3digit return in 628 draws, might happen tonight?)
WV eve: 766, 529, 620, 649, 275There is something very interesting, that came to my mind.
As you can see, the highest due is also around 12 times due, just the same as for single states.
One would think that some items should be due 18 times, or more. Since if an item is due for example 10 times in state A, it will not be very much due in 2 other states!! Think about this, it is a way to break the lottery! There is a balance, it is out there...
But no, that 12-times-due is a magic border, only a few pass it.Off on a 1 day holiday now, updates monday eve or tuesday.
cheers
Rickylasas3
An onion a day keeps everyone away!!!
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Quote: Originally posted by paurths on Apr 24, 2011
Here is some info on (watch the future of this pick3, and pick4, game breakdown!) : "combined states".
I have created 400 "combined states", each made up of 3 states (games),
and these are some of the top "Due's". (these are from yesterday, before the midday draws!)
MSName TimesDue AvSkip CurrentSkip Item Numbers Nbrs PA (E)_TN (M)_Tri State (M) 12,23 31 379 MMM OOO OOE OEO EOO 333, 334, 335, 336, 343, 345, 353, 354, 355, 356, 363, 365, 433, 435, 453, 455, 533, 534, 535, 536, 543, 545, 553, 554, 555, 556, 563, 565, 633, 635, 653, 655 32 QC (E)_SC (M)_VA (E) 11,92 116 1383 LHL IOI (INOUT) 383, 384, 393, 394, 483, 484, 493, 494 8 PA (E)_TN (M)_WV (E) 10,93 102 1115 SPAIR X_X 92 902, 912, 922, 932, 942, 952, 962, 972, 982, 992 10 SC (E)_TN (M)_Tri State (E) 10,9 94 1025 BPAIR _XX 61 061, 161, 261, 361, 461, 561, 661, 761, 861, 961 10 TN (E)_TN (M)_VA (E) 10,63 90 957 SPAIR X_X 40 400, 410, 420, 430, 440, 450, 460, 470, 480, 490 10 QC (E)_TN (E)_VA (E) 10,57 90 951 SPAIR X_X 40 400, 410, 420, 430, 440, 450, 460, 470, 480, 490 10 TN (E)_Tri State (E)_WV (E) 10,49 53 556 OOE HHH 556, 558, 576, 578, 596, 598, 756, 758, 776, 778, 796, 798, 956, 958, 976, 978, 996, 998 18 TN (M)_VA (E)_WV (E) 10,34 82 848 OOE OOO (INOUT) 110, 112, 118, 190, 192, 198, 910, 912, 918, 990, 992, 998 12 PA (E)_Tri State (E)_TX (E) 10,25 8 82 HHH 555, 556, 557, 558, 559, 565, 566, 567, 568, 569, 575, 576, 577, 578, 579, 585, 586, 587, 588, 589, 595, 596, 597, 598, 599, 655, 656, 657, 658, 659, 665, 666, 667, 668, 669, 675, 676, 677, 678, 679, 685, 686, 687, 688, 689, 695, 696, 697, 698, 699, 755, 125 QC (E)_TN (M)_VA (E) 10,17 116 1180 LHL IOI (INOUT) 383, 384, 393, 394, 483, 484, 493, 494 8 QC (E)_TN (E)_TN (M) 10,06 90 905 SPAIR X_X 40 400, 410, 420, 430, 440, 450, 460, 470, 480, 490 10 QC (E)_TN (M)_VA (E) 10,06 90 905 SPAIR X_X 40 400, 410, 420, 430, 440, 450, 460, 470, 480, 490 10 PA (E)_TN (M)_Tri State (M) 10 102 1020 SPAIR X_X 92 902, 912, 922, 932, 942, 952, 962, 972, 982, 992 10 PA (E)_Tri State (M)_WV (E) 9,99 102 1019 SPAIR X_X 92 902, 912, 922, 932, 942, 952, 962, 972, 982, 992 10 SC (M)_TN (M)_VA (E) 9,81 116 1138 LHL IOI (INOUT) 383, 384, 393, 394, 483, 484, 493, 494 8 QC (E)_Tri State (E)_VA (E) 9,78 64 626 OCC LLL LLH LHL HLL 200, 206, 208, 209, 260, 280, 290, 300, 306, 308, 309, 360, 380, 390, 500 15 TN (E)_TN (M)_Tri State (M) 9,71 94 913 BPAIR _XX 22 022, 122, 222, 322, 422, 522, 622, 722, 822, 922 10 QC (E)_SC (M)_TN (M) 9,66 116 1120 LHL IOI (INOUT) 383, 384, 393, 394, 483, 484, 493, 494 8 SC (E)_Tri State (M)_WV (E) 9,64 96 925 FPAIR XX_ 06 060, 061, 062, 063, 064, 065, 066, 067, 068, 069 10 TN (M)_VA (E)_VA (M) 9,55 82 783 OOE OOO (INOUT) 110, 112, 118, 190, 192, 198, 910, 912, 918, 990, 992, 998 12 VA (E)_VA (M)_WV (E) 9,54 82 782 OOE OOO (INOUT) 110, 112, 118, 190, 192, 198, 910, 912, 918, 990, 992, 998 12 TN (M)_Tri State (M)_WV (E) 9,49 102 968 SPAIR X_X 92 902, 912, 922, 932, 942, 952, 962, 972, 982, 992 10 SC (M)_Tri State (E)_VA (E) 9,42 64 603 OCC LLL LLH LHL HLL 200, 206, 208, 209, 260, 280, 290, 300, 306, 308, 309, 360, 380, 390, 500 15 TN (E)_TX (E)_WV (E) 9,41 94 885 BPAIR _XX 74 074, 174, 274, 374, 474, 574, 674, 774, 874, 974 10 SC (E)_TN (M)_VA (E) 9,38 8 75 OOI (INOUT) 003, 004, 005, 006, 007, 013, 014, 015, 016, 017, 023, 024, 025, 026, 027, 083, 084, 085, 086, 087, 093, 094, 095, 096, 097, 103, 104, 105, 106, 107, 113, 114, 115, 116, 117, 123, 124, 125, 126, 127, 183, 184, 185, 186, 187, 193, 194, 195, 196, 197, 203, 125 SC (E)_Tri State (M)_VA (E) 9,3 30 279 SCC EEE EEO EOE OEE 100, 106, 108, 160, 166, 168, 180, 186, 188, 400, 406, 408, 409, 460, 466, 468, 469, 480, 486, 488, 489, 490, 496, 498, 700, 706, 708, 760, 766, 768, 780, 786, 788 33 PA (E)_TX (M)_VA (M) 9,26 47 435 SSO OOO OOE OEO EOO 112, 113, 115, 143, 145, 172, 173, 175, 413, 415, 473, 475, 712, 713, 715, 743, 745, 772, 773, 775 20 TN (E)_TX (E)_VA (M) 9,21 97 893 SPAIR X_X 25 205, 215, 225, 235, 245, 255, 265, 275, 285, 295 10 SC (E)_VA (E)_VA (M) 9,18 95 872 SPAIR X_X 52 502, 512, 522, 532, 542, 552, 562, 572, 582, 592 10 QC (E)_SC (M)_VA (E) 9,14 64 585 OCC LLL LLH LHL HLL 200, 206, 208, 209, 260, 280, 290, 300, 306, 308, 309, 360, 380, 390, 500 15 QC (E)_SC (M)_Tri State (E) 9,14 64 585 OCC LLL LLH LHL HLL 200, 206, 208, 209, 260, 280, 290, 300, 306, 308, 309, 360, 380, 390, 500 15 SC (E)_VA (E)_VA (M) 9,14 21 192 LMM 033, 034, 035, 036, 043, 044, 045, 046, 053, 054, 055, 056, 063, 064, 065, 066, 133, 134, 135, 136, 143, 144, 145, 146, 153, 154, 155, 156, 163, 164, 165, 166, 233, 234, 235, 236, 243, 244, 245, 246, 253, 254, 255, 256, 263, 264, 265, 266 48 PA (E)_TN (M)_Tri State (M) 9,12 83 757 HLM III IIO IOI OII 703, 704, 705, 706, 713, 714, 715, 716, 723, 724, 725, 726 12 TN (M)_Tri State (E)_VA (E) 9,09 55 500 EEE LHL 060, 062, 064, 080, 082, 084, 260, 262, 264, 280, 282, 284, 460, 462, 464, 480, 482, 484 18 TN (M)_VA (M)_WV (E) 9,06 82 743 OOE OOO (INOUT) 110, 112, 118, 190, 192, 198, 910, 912, 918, 990, 992, 998 12 PA (E)_TX (E)_WV (E) 9,03 100 903 SPAIR X_X 74 704, 714, 724, 734, 744, 754, 764, 774, 784, 794 10 You will notice that some items (structures) return. Like for example SPAIR X_X 40 which shows for TN (E)_TN (M)_VA (E) and then again for QC (E)_TN (E)_VA (E) which is onle QC eve different.
Another thing you might notice is the average skip that is different from the mathematical average skip. This is because the average skip is calculated on real draws instead of probability.
The way to use this information: check per item, each state and visualize the digits and see if the pattern fits.
This might be quite some work, but that seems to be the problem with alot of "players", they want the numbers immediatly, they don't seem to have the energy to do some work of their own. (cfr. quick picks...)
Some of these items will come in the following days, up to you to compare them to the actual draws & 3DigitSeries (and don't forget "Repeating digits" and "Repeating VTracks")The most interesting item i can see immediatly is :
TN (E)_Tri State (E)_WV (E)
OOE HHH
556, 558, 576, 578, 596, 598, 756, 758, 776, 778, 796, 798, 956, 958, 976, 978, 996, 998
Just look at the last draws in TN eve and WV eve
TN eve: 657, 876, 990, 652 (no 3digit return in 628 draws, might happen tonight?)
WV eve: 766, 529, 620, 649, 275There is something very interesting, that came to my mind.
As you can see, the highest due is also around 12 times due, just the same as for single states.
One would think that some items should be due 18 times, or more. Since if an item is due for example 10 times in state A, it will not be very much due in 2 other states!! Think about this, it is a way to break the lottery! There is a balance, it is out there...
But no, that 12-times-due is a magic border, only a few pass it.Off on a 1 day holiday now, updates monday eve or tuesday.
cheers
RickyThought provoking posts Paurths. Thanks.
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Quote: Originally posted by JosephusMinimus on Apr 24, 2011
Thought provoking posts Paurths. Thanks.
Paurths: That's excellent information you provided and you obviously went to a lot of trouble working it out. That's the sort of thing every lottery commission ought to be doing, lacking an industry standard for internal safeguards.
If lottery commissions were actually concerned about pre-emptive measures to save themselves a lot of blushing and reorganization along with palls of public mistrust and sagging sales in the aftermaths of getting caught doing things they should have known ahead of time they oughtn't do, they'd be looking as just the sort of approach you've taken.
At least they'd be looking at it as one of the approaches they could take to lower the level mistrust and increase ticket sales.