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Posted: December 21, 2011, 1:14 pm - IP Logged

I'd take him up on that bet, I'd like a free 12 pack. Two trips have fell in a week in the pre-draws.

Could you explain to me what a "predraw" is? Thanks!

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    Posted: December 21, 2011, 1:17 pm - IP Logged

    Congrats KECYWifey! It is so fun cashing those slips in!!!!

    Party

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      Posted: December 21, 2011, 1:19 pm - IP Logged

      These are old pre test but I still like to see the numbers that fell. We had triples in the pre test.

       

      DrawDateGameDrawNoDrawTypeResult
      15-Nov-11Pick33040Pre1365
      15-Nov-11Pick33040Pre2634
      15-Nov-11Pick33040Pre3035
      15-Nov-11Pick33041Pre1712
      15-Nov-11Pick33041Pre2968
      15-Nov-11Pick33041Pre3646
      16-Nov-11Pick33042Pre1984
      16-Nov-11Pick33042Pre2154
      16-Nov-11Pick33042Pre3642
      16-Nov-11Pick33043Pre1560
      16-Nov-11Pick33043Pre2752
      16-Nov-11Pick33043Pre3071
      17-Nov-11Pick33044Pre1947
      17-Nov-11Pick33044Pre2088
      17-Nov-11Pick33044Pre3133
      17-Nov-11Pick33045Pre1527
      17-Nov-11Pick33045Pre2072
      17-Nov-11Pick33045Pre3167
      18-Nov-11Pick33046Pre1072
      18-Nov-11Pick33046Pre2019
      18-Nov-11Pick33046Pre3941
      18-Nov-11Pick33047Pre1610
      18-Nov-11Pick33047Pre2319
      18-Nov-11Pick33047Pre3965
      19-Nov-11Pick33048Pre1753
      19-Nov-11Pick33048Pre2385
      19-Nov-11Pick33048Pre3532
      19-Nov-11Pick33049Pre1549
      19-Nov-11Pick33049Pre2845
      19-Nov-11Pick33049Pre3945
      19-Nov-11Pick33049Re-Pre11
      19-Nov-11Pick33049Re-Pre25
      19-Nov-11Pick33049Re-Pre31
      20-Nov-11Pick33050Pre1961
      20-Nov-11Pick33050Pre2360
      20-Nov-11Pick33050Pre3058
      20-Nov-11Pick33051Pre1466
      20-Nov-11Pick33051Pre2215
      20-Nov-11Pick33051Pre3284
      21-Nov-11Pick33052Pre1074
      21-Nov-11Pick33052Pre2457
      21-Nov-11Pick33052Pre3444
      21-Nov-11Pick33053Pre1409
      21-Nov-11Pick33053Pre2601
      21-Nov-11Pick33053Pre3806
      21-Nov-11Pick33053Re-Pre19
      21-Nov-11Pick33053Re-Pre24
      21-Nov-11Pick33053Re-Pre39
      22-Nov-11Pick33054Pre1141
      22-Nov-11Pick33054Pre2719
      22-Nov-11Pick33054Pre3710
      22-Nov-11Pick33055Pre1933
      22-Nov-11Pick33055Pre2775
      22-Nov-11Pick33055Pre3343
      23-Nov-11Pick33056Pre1292
      23-Nov-11Pick33056Pre2229
      23-Nov-11Pick33056Pre3763
      23-Nov-11Pick33057Pre1636
      23-Nov-11Pick33057Pre2772
      23-Nov-11Pick33057Pre3647
      24-Nov-11Pick33058Pre1524
      24-Nov-11Pick33058Pre2565
      24-Nov-11Pick33058Pre3099
      24-Nov-11Pick33059Pre1658
      24-Nov-11Pick33059Pre2809
      24-Nov-11Pick33059Pre3221
      25-Nov-11Pick33060Pre1421
      25-Nov-11Pick33060Pre2608
      25-Nov-11Pick33060Pre3422
      25-Nov-11Pick33061Pre1123
      25-Nov-11Pick33061Pre2084
      25-Nov-11Pick33061Pre3924
      26-Nov-11Pick33062Pre1399
      26-Nov-11Pick33062Pre2087
      26-Nov-11Pick33062Pre3862
      26-Nov-11Pick33063Pre1728
      26-Nov-11Pick33063Pre2480
      26-Nov-11Pick33063Pre3005
      27-Nov-11Pick33064Pre1980
      27-Nov-11Pick33064Pre2126
      27-Nov-11Pick33064Pre3457
      27-Nov-11Pick33065Pre1024
      27-Nov-11Pick33065Pre2394
      27-Nov-11Pick33065Pre3981
      28-Nov-11Pick33066Pre1259
      28-Nov-11Pick33066Pre2855
      28-Nov-11Pick33066Pre3046
      28-Nov-11Pick33067Pre1259
      28-Nov-11Pick33067Pre2571
      28-Nov-11Pick33067Pre3558
      29-Nov-11Pick33068Pre1514
      29-Nov-11Pick33068Pre2014
      29-Nov-11Pick33068Pre3034
      29-Nov-11Pick33068Re-Pre17
      29-Nov-11Pick33068Re-Pre25
      29-Nov-11Pick33068Re-Pre31
      29-Nov-11Pick33069Pre1863
      29-Nov-11Pick33069Pre2800
      29-Nov-11Pick33069Pre3381
      30-Nov-11Pick33070Pre1281
      30-Nov-11Pick33070Pre2273
      30-Nov-11Pick33070Pre3394
      30-Nov-11Pick33071Pre1729
      30-Nov-11Pick33071Pre2383
      30-Nov-11Pick33071Pre3848
      01-Dec-11Pick33072Pre1422
      01-Dec-11Pick33072Pre2563
      01-Dec-11Pick33072Pre3991
      01-Dec-11Pick33073Pre1352
      01-Dec-11Pick33073Pre2653
      01-Dec-11Pick33073Pre3192
      02-Dec-11Pick33074Pre1316
      02-Dec-11Pick33074Pre2230
      02-Dec-11Pick33074Pre3931
      02-Dec-11Pick33075Pre1148
      02-Dec-11Pick33075Pre2429
      02-Dec-11Pick33075Pre3825
      03-Dec-11Pick33076Pre1534
      03-Dec-11Pick33076Pre2169
      03-Dec-11Pick33076Pre3139
      03-Dec-11Pick33077Pre1322
      03-Dec-11Pick33077Pre2239
      03-Dec-11Pick33077Pre3595
      04-Dec-11Pick33078Pre1277
      04-Dec-11Pick33078Pre2569
      04-Dec-11Pick33078Pre3652
      04-Dec-11Pick33079Pre1126
      04-Dec-11Pick33079Pre2482
      04-Dec-11Pick33079Pre3734
      05-Dec-11Pick33080Pre1637
      05-Dec-11Pick33080Pre2860
      05-Dec-11Pick33080Pre3618
      05-Dec-11Pick33081Pre1580
      05-Dec-11Pick33081Pre2313
      05-Dec-11Pick33081Pre3520
      06-Dec-11Pick33082Pre1901
      06-Dec-11Pick33082Pre2178
      06-Dec-11Pick33082Pre3168
      06-Dec-11Pick33083Pre1463
      06-Dec-11Pick33083Pre2861
      06-Dec-11Pick33083Pre3334
      07-Dec-11Pick33084Pre1607
      07-Dec-11Pick33084Pre2873
      07-Dec-11Pick33084Pre3678
      07-Dec-11Pick33085Pre1769
      07-Dec-11Pick33085Pre2764
      07-Dec-11Pick33085Pre3342
      08-Dec-11Pick33086Pre1315
      08-Dec-11Pick33086Pre2531
      08-Dec-11Pick33086Pre3976
      08-Dec-11Pick33087Pre1526
      08-Dec-11Pick33087Pre2249
      08-Dec-11Pick33087Pre3961
      09-Dec-11Pick33088Pre1567
      09-Dec-11Pick33088Pre2011
      09-Dec-11Pick33088Pre3444
      09-Dec-11Pick33089Pre1703
      09-Dec-11Pick33089Pre2664
      09-Dec-11Pick33089Pre3308
      10-Dec-11Pick33090Pre1120
      10-Dec-11Pick33090Pre2084
      10-Dec-11Pick33090Pre3965
      10-Dec-11Pick33091Pre1457
      10-Dec-11Pick33091Pre2375
      10-Dec-11Pick33091Pre3111
      11-Dec-11Pick33092Pre1020
      11-Dec-11Pick33092Pre2415
      11-Dec-11Pick33092Pre3560
      11-Dec-11Pick33093Pre1080
      11-Dec-11Pick33093Pre2549
      11-Dec-11Pick33093Pre3160
      12-Dec-11Pick33094Pre1426
      12-Dec-11Pick33094Pre2454
      12-Dec-11Pick33094Pre3872
      12-Dec-11Pick33095Pre1935
      12-Dec-11Pick33095Pre2649
      12-Dec-11Pick33095Pre3534
      13-Dec-11Pick33096Pre1477
      13-Dec-11Pick33096Pre2854
      13-Dec-11Pick33096Pre3571
      13-Dec-11Pick33097Pre1198
      13-Dec-11Pick33097Pre2625
      13-Dec-11Pick33097Pre3084
      14-Dec-11Pick33098Pre1842
      14-Dec-11Pick33098Pre2092
      14-Dec-11Pick33098Pre3603
      14-Dec-11Pick33099Pre1572
      14-Dec-11Pick33099Pre2012
      14-Dec-11Pick33099Pre3902
      15-Dec-11Pick33100Pre1042
      15-Dec-11Pick33100Pre2450
      15-Dec-11Pick33100Pre3699
      15-Dec-11Pick33101Pre1951
      15-Dec-11Pick33101Pre2859
      15-Dec-11Pick33101Pre3859
      15-Dec-11Pick33101Re-Pre19
      15-Dec-11Pick33101Re-Pre26

      i saw trips in there at least 3 times for november !!! wtf !!! P***ed


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        Posted: December 21, 2011, 1:22 pm - IP Logged

        how in the hell do you lose that many trips in the pre draws this is unreal im calling it quits...Thumbs Down someone needs to check into how to have ncel busted for corrupt operations....

        thats proof the triples actually come more often than once a month. like jersey gets em 2 times a month at times. thats more realistic if the drawing is being done properly.


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          Posted: December 21, 2011, 1:26 pm - IP Logged

          going with 345 today and 111    tonite the (1) digit been missing for the evening draw for awhile

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            thats proof the triples actually come more often than once a month. like jersey gets em 2 times a month at times. thats more realistic if the drawing is being done properly.

            Pukeattention all lottery players...

            i am calling for OCCUPY NCEL!!

            LET'S DO IT!!!!!!!!Scared

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              Posted: December 21, 2011, 1:32 pm - IP Logged

              Playing 513 518 135 138. Looks like 5 trips in the predraws for Nov/Dec???? With those results we will never see em!!!

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                Could you explain to me what a "predraw" is? Thanks!

                A pre-draw is a series of tests that the lotteries run to ensure that the same number doesn't come out of a machine.  They also usually run a post-draw or two to make sure that the numbers were "random". 

                They rotate multiple ballsets through the machines, and at least in Texas, you understand why they pull a set out of rotation - because the same number has shown twice. 

                Crow will argue the point that lotteries are cheating by doing this (and I disagree with him on several points of his arguments), but it serves a valid point.  Ballsets can develop patterns or trends - numbers that will continually show together and other sorts of things.  From a business standpoint, it makes sense. 

                Think about casinos - how often do they change dice, card decks, the little routlette balls?  It does give the house a bit of an advantage, but is it impossible to overcome?


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                  A pre-draw is a series of tests that the lotteries run to ensure that the same number doesn't come out of a machine.  They also usually run a post-draw or two to make sure that the numbers were "random". 

                  They rotate multiple ballsets through the machines, and at least in Texas, you understand why they pull a set out of rotation - because the same number has shown twice. 

                  Crow will argue the point that lotteries are cheating by doing this (and I disagree with him on several points of his arguments), but it serves a valid point.  Ballsets can develop patterns or trends - numbers that will continually show together and other sorts of things.  From a business standpoint, it makes sense. 

                  Think about casinos - how often do they change dice, card decks, the little routlette balls?  It does give the house a bit of an advantage, but is it impossible to overcome?

                  C'mon blues you know better than that.

                  Technically is it cheating ?

                  Well, yes it is and here is why : for what reason would ncel purposefully with hold pre-draws from the public ?

                  "IF" we are to conclude that it is random as you would say then ncel has no valid reason to with hold this information.

                  Just look at the above list that was posted and you'll see for yourself all the many times that triples have hit...is this not evidence enough ?

                  Also ncel has waaaaaaaaaaaay too freakin much of a house edge anyways in relationship to  payout and even more so than the roulette at the casino's in vegas.

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                    well i have been riding this number hard for the last  2 weeks and tonite they finally decide to gimme my early christmas present.hit the bad boy for $1,080.00Hyper i dont know how to post pics of my tickets but if sumone will xplain it to me then i will gladly do so...congrats to all other winners tonite..finally made a comeback$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

                    congrats Keco!!! way to get em!!!

                    LET'S GET THIS MONEY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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                      Pukeattention all lottery players...

                      i am calling for OCCUPY NCEL!!

                      LET'S DO IT!!!!!!!!Scared

                      All ncel has to do is release the pre-draw information on their website and keep it current before the main draw that is released to the public.....this way all the players will know just what structure is missing and what is not.

                      A lot of players play missing structures...and as from the above list shows most if not all of them have hit in the pre-draws...so in actuality youre following a false assumption of what is actually missing and in the process losing shhytloads of money .

                      NCEL is fully aware that people do this over and over again which is why you'll never see them release the pre-draw updates on their website.

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                        Since this is TECH'S system, I would rather you get the reply from him. Don't want to give you  wrong info or

                        something you can't understand. Connect TECH and I am sure he will guide you to the actual thread that he posted regarding his system and how you can work it to your advantage. If it works for you,I feel like he should get the credit for it. So far it has worked better for me than any other system I've tried!

                         

                         

                         

                         

                         

                         

                         

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                          Hottt digits ----( 6-0-1 )

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                            A pre-draw is a series of tests that the lotteries run to ensure that the same number doesn't come out of a machine.  They also usually run a post-draw or two to make sure that the numbers were "random". 

                            They rotate multiple ballsets through the machines, and at least in Texas, you understand why they pull a set out of rotation - because the same number has shown twice. 

                            Crow will argue the point that lotteries are cheating by doing this (and I disagree with him on several points of his arguments), but it serves a valid point.  Ballsets can develop patterns or trends - numbers that will continually show together and other sorts of things.  From a business standpoint, it makes sense. 

                            Think about casinos - how often do they change dice, card decks, the little routlette balls?  It does give the house a bit of an advantage, but is it impossible to overcome?

                            thanks for the info and thanks for what ALL you guys/ladies do around here.

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                              C'mon blues you know better than that.

                              Technically is it cheating ?

                              Well, yes it is and here is why : for what reason would ncel purposefully with hold pre-draws from the public ?

                              "IF" we are to conclude that it is random as you would say then ncel has no valid reason to with hold this information.

                              Just look at the above list that was posted and you'll see for yourself all the many times that triples have hit...is this not evidence enough ?

                              Also ncel has waaaaaaaaaaaay too freakin much of a house edge anyways in relationship to  payout and even more so than the roulette at the casino's in vegas.

                              Cheating is a matter of perspective.  According to your definition (my understanding based on what you've consistently posted about in the NC thread as well as other state threads since I've been here) - ANYTHING that a lottery does aside from pull balls from machines is cheating. 

                              I argue that it is the lotteries' right to "bust patterns" and rotate ballsets to do so.  I do not agree with the popular notion that the pre-draws are recorded and measured against the potential payout.  THAT, in my opinion, is cheating. 

                              Your arguments regarding statistical anomalies come across as if there is just one single ballset in use.  The pre-draws on the TX site show just how often they're rotated out.  Statistically, I can understand if there's a single ballset and your arguments regarding hidden data and missing structures then become valid.  But there's not a single set in use - probably as few as 6 sets (1 for each machine) and just as many "spare" machines.

                              If you want to talk about triples in pre-draws, look back through TX - they're on almost 400 draws without one in a "live" drawing, yet I can remember at LEAST 6 times since this summer they've hit the pre-draws.  That doesn't necessarily mean that the lottery is purposefully withholding them.  And in almost every instance, I saw where the ballset was pulled - because out of the 4 pre-draws for one set, 2 of the same number came out.  I always keep an eye on those in TX because if I'm playing something off a pattern I saw and it hits in the pre-draw, I don't bother spending my money.

                              Am I suggesting that the lottery is totally blameless?  Absolutely not.  BUT, I think you make a bigger deal out of standard practice for every lottery across the country than you need to.  They don't have to give you anything, and they don't have to make it easier on you to run your statistics.  That's where I disagree with the "burned lottery player" mentality. 

                              Maybe it's because I have a finance background that I don't view things with the gimlet eye that you do.  My focus is in analysis, and I understand that there are random events and other factors that go into what should otherwise be a perfect model.  There are outside factors that will influence the trend you are trying to predict. 

                              The question is - can you hit any better/win more with the data that you argue NCEL is hiding?  What's your record in TX, where they release that info on a regular basis?  Until you can prove to me that you do better in TX, I won't agree that NCEL is doing anything out of the ordinary causing you to lose more.

                              I've gone a bit off track here, but the point comes back to this - is it cheating if they are not releasing their control procedures prior to each draw?  I argue no - simply because it's the constraints of the games as they are structured.  TX is the anomaly, not the norm.  To me, the argument that lotteries do nothing but cheat just doesn't hold water.  If you honestly and truly believe that - don't play it.  That simple.

                                 
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